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Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
A good friend of mine in high school had (I believe) a 1969 or 1970 Cuda in “Hairy Canary” yellow. He pulled the 340 motor and dropped in a baaaaad ass 440 Magnum with a similar set up to yours. I’ll never forget that pistol grip shifter he had. I had an 8 ball, but that pistol grip was perfect for the real short throw on that Cuda.
The most truly frightening vehicle I ever locked horns with (and he kicked my ass mightily) was a 1969 Challenger R/T that the owner had dropped a heavily modified 426 Race Hemi into. He told me, after embarrassing me horribly in the 1/4 mile, that he was turning somewhere north of 600hp.
If I had the jingle, I’d love to lay my hands on a 1965 Stingray with a 427TP. Get it in the gorgeous red with Rally wheels and nothing but Beach Boys on the radio.
I loved Tron, by the way. I saw that movie at the Century Theaters in San Jose in 1982, right after seeing Journey in concert (“Escape” Tour at Oakland Coliseum) that same summer (they did the closing song, “Only Solutions”). I drove my Mach I to that damn movie, too. Man, getting old sucks.[/quote]
Allan/Flu – Holy hole in the donut Batman, it took me 5 minutes to find my post, which was only a couple of days ago!! This thread needs to die. I think I’ll start another thread after this post.
The old vettes are classics. I love them too. My challenger had good low end torque, but was never that fast in the quarter. Last time I aggressively raced it, I blew out my 3 speed trick shifter tranny. It cost a small fortune to fix, certainly more than a lowly grocery store bagboy could afford. Eighties were good times. We were simple juvenile delinquents tooling around town, yacking on CBs and trying to pick up chicks. Saw lots of good concerts as well – Stones, Who, Rush, and even Ted the Man Nugent. My only regret was missing Led Zep. I had 4 tix and 2 weeks before the concert, Bonham kicked the bucket. I was truly depressed for a month. Not a big Journey fan ever since Greg Rollie left. Ironic that the lead singer is now a Phillipino kid from youtube.
C’mon getting old isn’t all that bad. You have lots more money now to buy that overcorrected house that you can atm to death in the future to buy that stingray. Carpe diem.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
A good friend of mine in high school had (I believe) a 1969 or 1970 Cuda in “Hairy Canary” yellow. He pulled the 340 motor and dropped in a baaaaad ass 440 Magnum with a similar set up to yours. I’ll never forget that pistol grip shifter he had. I had an 8 ball, but that pistol grip was perfect for the real short throw on that Cuda.
The most truly frightening vehicle I ever locked horns with (and he kicked my ass mightily) was a 1969 Challenger R/T that the owner had dropped a heavily modified 426 Race Hemi into. He told me, after embarrassing me horribly in the 1/4 mile, that he was turning somewhere north of 600hp.
If I had the jingle, I’d love to lay my hands on a 1965 Stingray with a 427TP. Get it in the gorgeous red with Rally wheels and nothing but Beach Boys on the radio.
I loved Tron, by the way. I saw that movie at the Century Theaters in San Jose in 1982, right after seeing Journey in concert (“Escape” Tour at Oakland Coliseum) that same summer (they did the closing song, “Only Solutions”). I drove my Mach I to that damn movie, too. Man, getting old sucks.[/quote]
Allan/Flu – Holy hole in the donut Batman, it took me 5 minutes to find my post, which was only a couple of days ago!! This thread needs to die. I think I’ll start another thread after this post.
The old vettes are classics. I love them too. My challenger had good low end torque, but was never that fast in the quarter. Last time I aggressively raced it, I blew out my 3 speed trick shifter tranny. It cost a small fortune to fix, certainly more than a lowly grocery store bagboy could afford. Eighties were good times. We were simple juvenile delinquents tooling around town, yacking on CBs and trying to pick up chicks. Saw lots of good concerts as well – Stones, Who, Rush, and even Ted the Man Nugent. My only regret was missing Led Zep. I had 4 tix and 2 weeks before the concert, Bonham kicked the bucket. I was truly depressed for a month. Not a big Journey fan ever since Greg Rollie left. Ironic that the lead singer is now a Phillipino kid from youtube.
C’mon getting old isn’t all that bad. You have lots more money now to buy that overcorrected house that you can atm to death in the future to buy that stingray. Carpe diem.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
A good friend of mine in high school had (I believe) a 1969 or 1970 Cuda in “Hairy Canary” yellow. He pulled the 340 motor and dropped in a baaaaad ass 440 Magnum with a similar set up to yours. I’ll never forget that pistol grip shifter he had. I had an 8 ball, but that pistol grip was perfect for the real short throw on that Cuda.
The most truly frightening vehicle I ever locked horns with (and he kicked my ass mightily) was a 1969 Challenger R/T that the owner had dropped a heavily modified 426 Race Hemi into. He told me, after embarrassing me horribly in the 1/4 mile, that he was turning somewhere north of 600hp.
If I had the jingle, I’d love to lay my hands on a 1965 Stingray with a 427TP. Get it in the gorgeous red with Rally wheels and nothing but Beach Boys on the radio.
I loved Tron, by the way. I saw that movie at the Century Theaters in San Jose in 1982, right after seeing Journey in concert (“Escape” Tour at Oakland Coliseum) that same summer (they did the closing song, “Only Solutions”). I drove my Mach I to that damn movie, too. Man, getting old sucks.[/quote]
Allan/Flu – Holy hole in the donut Batman, it took me 5 minutes to find my post, which was only a couple of days ago!! This thread needs to die. I think I’ll start another thread after this post.
The old vettes are classics. I love them too. My challenger had good low end torque, but was never that fast in the quarter. Last time I aggressively raced it, I blew out my 3 speed trick shifter tranny. It cost a small fortune to fix, certainly more than a lowly grocery store bagboy could afford. Eighties were good times. We were simple juvenile delinquents tooling around town, yacking on CBs and trying to pick up chicks. Saw lots of good concerts as well – Stones, Who, Rush, and even Ted the Man Nugent. My only regret was missing Led Zep. I had 4 tix and 2 weeks before the concert, Bonham kicked the bucket. I was truly depressed for a month. Not a big Journey fan ever since Greg Rollie left. Ironic that the lead singer is now a Phillipino kid from youtube.
C’mon getting old isn’t all that bad. You have lots more money now to buy that overcorrected house that you can atm to death in the future to buy that stingray. Carpe diem.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
A good friend of mine in high school had (I believe) a 1969 or 1970 Cuda in “Hairy Canary” yellow. He pulled the 340 motor and dropped in a baaaaad ass 440 Magnum with a similar set up to yours. I’ll never forget that pistol grip shifter he had. I had an 8 ball, but that pistol grip was perfect for the real short throw on that Cuda.
The most truly frightening vehicle I ever locked horns with (and he kicked my ass mightily) was a 1969 Challenger R/T that the owner had dropped a heavily modified 426 Race Hemi into. He told me, after embarrassing me horribly in the 1/4 mile, that he was turning somewhere north of 600hp.
If I had the jingle, I’d love to lay my hands on a 1965 Stingray with a 427TP. Get it in the gorgeous red with Rally wheels and nothing but Beach Boys on the radio.
I loved Tron, by the way. I saw that movie at the Century Theaters in San Jose in 1982, right after seeing Journey in concert (“Escape” Tour at Oakland Coliseum) that same summer (they did the closing song, “Only Solutions”). I drove my Mach I to that damn movie, too. Man, getting old sucks.[/quote]
Allan/Flu – Holy hole in the donut Batman, it took me 5 minutes to find my post, which was only a couple of days ago!! This thread needs to die. I think I’ll start another thread after this post.
The old vettes are classics. I love them too. My challenger had good low end torque, but was never that fast in the quarter. Last time I aggressively raced it, I blew out my 3 speed trick shifter tranny. It cost a small fortune to fix, certainly more than a lowly grocery store bagboy could afford. Eighties were good times. We were simple juvenile delinquents tooling around town, yacking on CBs and trying to pick up chicks. Saw lots of good concerts as well – Stones, Who, Rush, and even Ted the Man Nugent. My only regret was missing Led Zep. I had 4 tix and 2 weeks before the concert, Bonham kicked the bucket. I was truly depressed for a month. Not a big Journey fan ever since Greg Rollie left. Ironic that the lead singer is now a Phillipino kid from youtube.
C’mon getting old isn’t all that bad. You have lots more money now to buy that overcorrected house that you can atm to death in the future to buy that stingray. Carpe diem.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
A good friend of mine in high school had (I believe) a 1969 or 1970 Cuda in “Hairy Canary” yellow. He pulled the 340 motor and dropped in a baaaaad ass 440 Magnum with a similar set up to yours. I’ll never forget that pistol grip shifter he had. I had an 8 ball, but that pistol grip was perfect for the real short throw on that Cuda.
The most truly frightening vehicle I ever locked horns with (and he kicked my ass mightily) was a 1969 Challenger R/T that the owner had dropped a heavily modified 426 Race Hemi into. He told me, after embarrassing me horribly in the 1/4 mile, that he was turning somewhere north of 600hp.
If I had the jingle, I’d love to lay my hands on a 1965 Stingray with a 427TP. Get it in the gorgeous red with Rally wheels and nothing but Beach Boys on the radio.
I loved Tron, by the way. I saw that movie at the Century Theaters in San Jose in 1982, right after seeing Journey in concert (“Escape” Tour at Oakland Coliseum) that same summer (they did the closing song, “Only Solutions”). I drove my Mach I to that damn movie, too. Man, getting old sucks.[/quote]
Allan/Flu – Holy hole in the donut Batman, it took me 5 minutes to find my post, which was only a couple of days ago!! This thread needs to die. I think I’ll start another thread after this post.
The old vettes are classics. I love them too. My challenger had good low end torque, but was never that fast in the quarter. Last time I aggressively raced it, I blew out my 3 speed trick shifter tranny. It cost a small fortune to fix, certainly more than a lowly grocery store bagboy could afford. Eighties were good times. We were simple juvenile delinquents tooling around town, yacking on CBs and trying to pick up chicks. Saw lots of good concerts as well – Stones, Who, Rush, and even Ted the Man Nugent. My only regret was missing Led Zep. I had 4 tix and 2 weeks before the concert, Bonham kicked the bucket. I was truly depressed for a month. Not a big Journey fan ever since Greg Rollie left. Ironic that the lead singer is now a Phillipino kid from youtube.
C’mon getting old isn’t all that bad. You have lots more money now to buy that overcorrected house that you can atm to death in the future to buy that stingray. Carpe diem.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=flu]Side question. Why didn’t you keep all those legacy american muscle cars? They would have been awesome to run these days.[/quote]
FLU: Don’t remind me. You want a heart breaker? I sold my 1969 Mustang Mach I (428CJ) in 1991 to buy my first house with my first wife.
How much you ask (for the car)? $11,000. Yup. Cherry, too, except for an aftermarket Alpine stereo. Black with gray racing stripes, original hood locks, Rally wheels, interior… Only significant change was pulling the 351 Cleveland and replacing it with the 428CJ (which was really a built up four bolt main 428 Police Interceptor block). I rebadged the quarter panels following.
Broke my heart to sell that car. No longer have the car, the house or the wife. Wheeee![/quote]
Ouch, I can relate. I had to sell my high school ride to help pay for college – a 1970 Challenger RT, metallic blue with white vinyl top, 383, Holley 650 carb, dual hood scoops w/ locks, hush thrush mufflers, and 50 series tires. Sold it thinking I would someday buy my dream car, the most beautiful car GM ever produced, a 69 Z-28. Something about those lines and the retractable headlight covers. I still hope someday it will happen.
Allan – As a casual lurker and infrequent poster, I’ve enjoyed reading posts by you and other Pigg mavens. Unfortunately, the asymmetric, fallacious arguments presented by Paddy (aka rt66) have mutated beyond ad hominem, beyond ad populum to the point of incoherency, thus rendering further on topic participation in this thread pointless. On the other hand, one positive outcome is fondly remembering the classic Jeff Bridges movie Thunderbolt & Lightfoot co-starring Clint. Maybe I will look for it and Bad Company next time I rent. Tron II is also in development by Disney pictures. Should be a visual feast given the quantum leap in special effects.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=flu]Side question. Why didn’t you keep all those legacy american muscle cars? They would have been awesome to run these days.[/quote]
FLU: Don’t remind me. You want a heart breaker? I sold my 1969 Mustang Mach I (428CJ) in 1991 to buy my first house with my first wife.
How much you ask (for the car)? $11,000. Yup. Cherry, too, except for an aftermarket Alpine stereo. Black with gray racing stripes, original hood locks, Rally wheels, interior… Only significant change was pulling the 351 Cleveland and replacing it with the 428CJ (which was really a built up four bolt main 428 Police Interceptor block). I rebadged the quarter panels following.
Broke my heart to sell that car. No longer have the car, the house or the wife. Wheeee![/quote]
Ouch, I can relate. I had to sell my high school ride to help pay for college – a 1970 Challenger RT, metallic blue with white vinyl top, 383, Holley 650 carb, dual hood scoops w/ locks, hush thrush mufflers, and 50 series tires. Sold it thinking I would someday buy my dream car, the most beautiful car GM ever produced, a 69 Z-28. Something about those lines and the retractable headlight covers. I still hope someday it will happen.
Allan – As a casual lurker and infrequent poster, I’ve enjoyed reading posts by you and other Pigg mavens. Unfortunately, the asymmetric, fallacious arguments presented by Paddy (aka rt66) have mutated beyond ad hominem, beyond ad populum to the point of incoherency, thus rendering further on topic participation in this thread pointless. On the other hand, one positive outcome is fondly remembering the classic Jeff Bridges movie Thunderbolt & Lightfoot co-starring Clint. Maybe I will look for it and Bad Company next time I rent. Tron II is also in development by Disney pictures. Should be a visual feast given the quantum leap in special effects.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=flu]Side question. Why didn’t you keep all those legacy american muscle cars? They would have been awesome to run these days.[/quote]
FLU: Don’t remind me. You want a heart breaker? I sold my 1969 Mustang Mach I (428CJ) in 1991 to buy my first house with my first wife.
How much you ask (for the car)? $11,000. Yup. Cherry, too, except for an aftermarket Alpine stereo. Black with gray racing stripes, original hood locks, Rally wheels, interior… Only significant change was pulling the 351 Cleveland and replacing it with the 428CJ (which was really a built up four bolt main 428 Police Interceptor block). I rebadged the quarter panels following.
Broke my heart to sell that car. No longer have the car, the house or the wife. Wheeee![/quote]
Ouch, I can relate. I had to sell my high school ride to help pay for college – a 1970 Challenger RT, metallic blue with white vinyl top, 383, Holley 650 carb, dual hood scoops w/ locks, hush thrush mufflers, and 50 series tires. Sold it thinking I would someday buy my dream car, the most beautiful car GM ever produced, a 69 Z-28. Something about those lines and the retractable headlight covers. I still hope someday it will happen.
Allan – As a casual lurker and infrequent poster, I’ve enjoyed reading posts by you and other Pigg mavens. Unfortunately, the asymmetric, fallacious arguments presented by Paddy (aka rt66) have mutated beyond ad hominem, beyond ad populum to the point of incoherency, thus rendering further on topic participation in this thread pointless. On the other hand, one positive outcome is fondly remembering the classic Jeff Bridges movie Thunderbolt & Lightfoot co-starring Clint. Maybe I will look for it and Bad Company next time I rent. Tron II is also in development by Disney pictures. Should be a visual feast given the quantum leap in special effects.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=flu]Side question. Why didn’t you keep all those legacy american muscle cars? They would have been awesome to run these days.[/quote]
FLU: Don’t remind me. You want a heart breaker? I sold my 1969 Mustang Mach I (428CJ) in 1991 to buy my first house with my first wife.
How much you ask (for the car)? $11,000. Yup. Cherry, too, except for an aftermarket Alpine stereo. Black with gray racing stripes, original hood locks, Rally wheels, interior… Only significant change was pulling the 351 Cleveland and replacing it with the 428CJ (which was really a built up four bolt main 428 Police Interceptor block). I rebadged the quarter panels following.
Broke my heart to sell that car. No longer have the car, the house or the wife. Wheeee![/quote]
Ouch, I can relate. I had to sell my high school ride to help pay for college – a 1970 Challenger RT, metallic blue with white vinyl top, 383, Holley 650 carb, dual hood scoops w/ locks, hush thrush mufflers, and 50 series tires. Sold it thinking I would someday buy my dream car, the most beautiful car GM ever produced, a 69 Z-28. Something about those lines and the retractable headlight covers. I still hope someday it will happen.
Allan – As a casual lurker and infrequent poster, I’ve enjoyed reading posts by you and other Pigg mavens. Unfortunately, the asymmetric, fallacious arguments presented by Paddy (aka rt66) have mutated beyond ad hominem, beyond ad populum to the point of incoherency, thus rendering further on topic participation in this thread pointless. On the other hand, one positive outcome is fondly remembering the classic Jeff Bridges movie Thunderbolt & Lightfoot co-starring Clint. Maybe I will look for it and Bad Company next time I rent. Tron II is also in development by Disney pictures. Should be a visual feast given the quantum leap in special effects.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=flu]Side question. Why didn’t you keep all those legacy american muscle cars? They would have been awesome to run these days.[/quote]
FLU: Don’t remind me. You want a heart breaker? I sold my 1969 Mustang Mach I (428CJ) in 1991 to buy my first house with my first wife.
How much you ask (for the car)? $11,000. Yup. Cherry, too, except for an aftermarket Alpine stereo. Black with gray racing stripes, original hood locks, Rally wheels, interior… Only significant change was pulling the 351 Cleveland and replacing it with the 428CJ (which was really a built up four bolt main 428 Police Interceptor block). I rebadged the quarter panels following.
Broke my heart to sell that car. No longer have the car, the house or the wife. Wheeee![/quote]
Ouch, I can relate. I had to sell my high school ride to help pay for college – a 1970 Challenger RT, metallic blue with white vinyl top, 383, Holley 650 carb, dual hood scoops w/ locks, hush thrush mufflers, and 50 series tires. Sold it thinking I would someday buy my dream car, the most beautiful car GM ever produced, a 69 Z-28. Something about those lines and the retractable headlight covers. I still hope someday it will happen.
Allan – As a casual lurker and infrequent poster, I’ve enjoyed reading posts by you and other Pigg mavens. Unfortunately, the asymmetric, fallacious arguments presented by Paddy (aka rt66) have mutated beyond ad hominem, beyond ad populum to the point of incoherency, thus rendering further on topic participation in this thread pointless. On the other hand, one positive outcome is fondly remembering the classic Jeff Bridges movie Thunderbolt & Lightfoot co-starring Clint. Maybe I will look for it and Bad Company next time I rent. Tron II is also in development by Disney pictures. Should be a visual feast given the quantum leap in special effects.
Participant[quote=paddyoh][quote=PKMAN]Couldn’t help to jump back in…
Rt66, even though we’re on different sides and I think you are too radical in your view, I admire you for taking the time and the detail to defend the Big 2, while the original poster pretty much just sit on the sideline to watch a good fight and only jumping in occasionally…….. [/quote]
I’m guessin’ that “original poster” would be me.
In case you forgot, my original title for this forum was:
“Time for Jeff Bridges to dump Hyundai….”
The topic understandably turned to automobiles, manufacturers, etc. – which was fine by me. I’ve made it clear that I agree with Rt. 66 and his belief in buying American made cars, etc. He has made his case so thoroughly I honestly do not know what I can add to defend the documented quality of the American made automobile or the mass screwing of the American blue collar worker.
The bigger picture to me has become American apathy towards American Made goods – particularly cars manufactured in the U.S.A.
It just baffles me that there is so much venom spewed by Americans against American auto workers and American made cars. It would seem that much of that comes from outright jealousy that the American auto worker had the nerve to make a decent enough wage to own a home and send his or her kids to college. That jealousy is then channeled towards the American car itself.
Then there appears to be guilt. The shame of, in a way, selling out one’s own country during a time of nearly unparalleled crisis, by buying a third world automobile and then trying to justify it by blaming it on unfounded, inferior American quality.
There are no doubt people here who have purchased an American made car that turned out to be a lemon. They have a legitimate gripe and may never buy anything other than an imported car again.
But, all the jealousy, guilt, shame, anger or whatever else is the motivation, does not change the fact that we are all still Americans. Maybe, at the end of the day, we can stop sweating the small stuff and pull together to help fix what the politicians cannot.
By buying American again, or even consciously making an effort to buy American made again, right now, today, even if it hurts or costs more, we can make a tiny step forward in restoring our sorely-needed manufacturing base. Americans did it during the World Wars. Why not now ?
Given the pickle we are in, I don’t think you can consider it protectionism. Nor blind patriotism, or being foolish with your money. Right now, today, it just makes sense.
Please take a few minutes of your time to ask Jeff Bridges to use his clout as a major celebrity and publicly renounce the Hyundai commercials and jump on the American Made bandwagon.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355%5B/quote%5D
No doubt the big 3s reliability and durability have improved in recent years and you could get one to last 150K miles. However, look at any reputable reliability survey and the Japanese cars statistically still win hands down. Even if the statistical edge is .01% and your main criteria is reliability, why would you not take advantage of it ? We all know the cost of repairs after warranty. You can’t leave a shop without coughing up a few hundred bucks even for the smallest repair, and if you’re a typical middle class family living check to check, why subject your family to that potential extra financial strain.
Let’s never forget that GM is a business like any other business whose ultimate goal is to turn a profit and create value for their shareholders. In other words, they don’t really care about you or the well being of your family. Any charity, sponsorship, community service, or random act of kindness to the general public cleverly disguised in the form of core business principles, is only performed to support that goal. Second, I don’t understand why people try to link love of country with support of a business whose profits stay private. Private profits whether it’s GM or Toyota can be benefitted by the public by simply buying their stock. Playing the Patriot card as a marketing tool to shame loyal Americans into buying a statistically inferior product from a company with an unsustainable cost structure is about as unamerican as it gets, bordering on socialism. Tough love intervention bankruptcy is the best solution for GM at this time. I truly hope they take this second/third chance and reemerge with the right focus to reestablish themselves as a global force for the sake of all those whose livelihood depend on it.
I am one of those that fell for the buy American marketing trick in the 80s. It was a GM and a piece of crap that gave me a lot of headaches especially with the dealer. I owned it for about 2 years and decided to sell it to cut my losses. Then I purchased my first foreign car, a Toyota Celica GT-S. Aside from regular maintenance, tires, etc., the only other cost was a new radiator at 180K. I drove it 250K miles with no more problems before selling it. I was sold.
Here’s a tip to the new GM from the voice of the customer. In addition to Caddy, Buick, and Chevy, consider another niche division called Classics. The concept is to simply resurrect the old classic body styles from the late 60s/early 70s unmodified, but package it with fully modern internals. The product line could start with bodies from the 67-69 Camaro/Z-28 and Firebird, 72 Cutlass 442, 70 Chevelle and Skylark. If reasonably priced, I would buy one in a second.
Participant[quote=paddyoh][quote=PKMAN]Couldn’t help to jump back in…
Rt66, even though we’re on different sides and I think you are too radical in your view, I admire you for taking the time and the detail to defend the Big 2, while the original poster pretty much just sit on the sideline to watch a good fight and only jumping in occasionally…….. [/quote]
I’m guessin’ that “original poster” would be me.
In case you forgot, my original title for this forum was:
“Time for Jeff Bridges to dump Hyundai….”
The topic understandably turned to automobiles, manufacturers, etc. – which was fine by me. I’ve made it clear that I agree with Rt. 66 and his belief in buying American made cars, etc. He has made his case so thoroughly I honestly do not know what I can add to defend the documented quality of the American made automobile or the mass screwing of the American blue collar worker.
The bigger picture to me has become American apathy towards American Made goods – particularly cars manufactured in the U.S.A.
It just baffles me that there is so much venom spewed by Americans against American auto workers and American made cars. It would seem that much of that comes from outright jealousy that the American auto worker had the nerve to make a decent enough wage to own a home and send his or her kids to college. That jealousy is then channeled towards the American car itself.
Then there appears to be guilt. The shame of, in a way, selling out one’s own country during a time of nearly unparalleled crisis, by buying a third world automobile and then trying to justify it by blaming it on unfounded, inferior American quality.
There are no doubt people here who have purchased an American made car that turned out to be a lemon. They have a legitimate gripe and may never buy anything other than an imported car again.
But, all the jealousy, guilt, shame, anger or whatever else is the motivation, does not change the fact that we are all still Americans. Maybe, at the end of the day, we can stop sweating the small stuff and pull together to help fix what the politicians cannot.
By buying American again, or even consciously making an effort to buy American made again, right now, today, even if it hurts or costs more, we can make a tiny step forward in restoring our sorely-needed manufacturing base. Americans did it during the World Wars. Why not now ?
Given the pickle we are in, I don’t think you can consider it protectionism. Nor blind patriotism, or being foolish with your money. Right now, today, it just makes sense.
Please take a few minutes of your time to ask Jeff Bridges to use his clout as a major celebrity and publicly renounce the Hyundai commercials and jump on the American Made bandwagon.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355%5B/quote%5D
No doubt the big 3s reliability and durability have improved in recent years and you could get one to last 150K miles. However, look at any reputable reliability survey and the Japanese cars statistically still win hands down. Even if the statistical edge is .01% and your main criteria is reliability, why would you not take advantage of it ? We all know the cost of repairs after warranty. You can’t leave a shop without coughing up a few hundred bucks even for the smallest repair, and if you’re a typical middle class family living check to check, why subject your family to that potential extra financial strain.
Let’s never forget that GM is a business like any other business whose ultimate goal is to turn a profit and create value for their shareholders. In other words, they don’t really care about you or the well being of your family. Any charity, sponsorship, community service, or random act of kindness to the general public cleverly disguised in the form of core business principles, is only performed to support that goal. Second, I don’t understand why people try to link love of country with support of a business whose profits stay private. Private profits whether it’s GM or Toyota can be benefitted by the public by simply buying their stock. Playing the Patriot card as a marketing tool to shame loyal Americans into buying a statistically inferior product from a company with an unsustainable cost structure is about as unamerican as it gets, bordering on socialism. Tough love intervention bankruptcy is the best solution for GM at this time. I truly hope they take this second/third chance and reemerge with the right focus to reestablish themselves as a global force for the sake of all those whose livelihood depend on it.
I am one of those that fell for the buy American marketing trick in the 80s. It was a GM and a piece of crap that gave me a lot of headaches especially with the dealer. I owned it for about 2 years and decided to sell it to cut my losses. Then I purchased my first foreign car, a Toyota Celica GT-S. Aside from regular maintenance, tires, etc., the only other cost was a new radiator at 180K. I drove it 250K miles with no more problems before selling it. I was sold.
Here’s a tip to the new GM from the voice of the customer. In addition to Caddy, Buick, and Chevy, consider another niche division called Classics. The concept is to simply resurrect the old classic body styles from the late 60s/early 70s unmodified, but package it with fully modern internals. The product line could start with bodies from the 67-69 Camaro/Z-28 and Firebird, 72 Cutlass 442, 70 Chevelle and Skylark. If reasonably priced, I would buy one in a second.
Participant[quote=paddyoh][quote=PKMAN]Couldn’t help to jump back in…
Rt66, even though we’re on different sides and I think you are too radical in your view, I admire you for taking the time and the detail to defend the Big 2, while the original poster pretty much just sit on the sideline to watch a good fight and only jumping in occasionally…….. [/quote]
I’m guessin’ that “original poster” would be me.
In case you forgot, my original title for this forum was:
“Time for Jeff Bridges to dump Hyundai….”
The topic understandably turned to automobiles, manufacturers, etc. – which was fine by me. I’ve made it clear that I agree with Rt. 66 and his belief in buying American made cars, etc. He has made his case so thoroughly I honestly do not know what I can add to defend the documented quality of the American made automobile or the mass screwing of the American blue collar worker.
The bigger picture to me has become American apathy towards American Made goods – particularly cars manufactured in the U.S.A.
It just baffles me that there is so much venom spewed by Americans against American auto workers and American made cars. It would seem that much of that comes from outright jealousy that the American auto worker had the nerve to make a decent enough wage to own a home and send his or her kids to college. That jealousy is then channeled towards the American car itself.
Then there appears to be guilt. The shame of, in a way, selling out one’s own country during a time of nearly unparalleled crisis, by buying a third world automobile and then trying to justify it by blaming it on unfounded, inferior American quality.
There are no doubt people here who have purchased an American made car that turned out to be a lemon. They have a legitimate gripe and may never buy anything other than an imported car again.
But, all the jealousy, guilt, shame, anger or whatever else is the motivation, does not change the fact that we are all still Americans. Maybe, at the end of the day, we can stop sweating the small stuff and pull together to help fix what the politicians cannot.
By buying American again, or even consciously making an effort to buy American made again, right now, today, even if it hurts or costs more, we can make a tiny step forward in restoring our sorely-needed manufacturing base. Americans did it during the World Wars. Why not now ?
Given the pickle we are in, I don’t think you can consider it protectionism. Nor blind patriotism, or being foolish with your money. Right now, today, it just makes sense.
Please take a few minutes of your time to ask Jeff Bridges to use his clout as a major celebrity and publicly renounce the Hyundai commercials and jump on the American Made bandwagon.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355%5B/quote%5D
No doubt the big 3s reliability and durability have improved in recent years and you could get one to last 150K miles. However, look at any reputable reliability survey and the Japanese cars statistically still win hands down. Even if the statistical edge is .01% and your main criteria is reliability, why would you not take advantage of it ? We all know the cost of repairs after warranty. You can’t leave a shop without coughing up a few hundred bucks even for the smallest repair, and if you’re a typical middle class family living check to check, why subject your family to that potential extra financial strain.
Let’s never forget that GM is a business like any other business whose ultimate goal is to turn a profit and create value for their shareholders. In other words, they don’t really care about you or the well being of your family. Any charity, sponsorship, community service, or random act of kindness to the general public cleverly disguised in the form of core business principles, is only performed to support that goal. Second, I don’t understand why people try to link love of country with support of a business whose profits stay private. Private profits whether it’s GM or Toyota can be benefitted by the public by simply buying their stock. Playing the Patriot card as a marketing tool to shame loyal Americans into buying a statistically inferior product from a company with an unsustainable cost structure is about as unamerican as it gets, bordering on socialism. Tough love intervention bankruptcy is the best solution for GM at this time. I truly hope they take this second/third chance and reemerge with the right focus to reestablish themselves as a global force for the sake of all those whose livelihood depend on it.
I am one of those that fell for the buy American marketing trick in the 80s. It was a GM and a piece of crap that gave me a lot of headaches especially with the dealer. I owned it for about 2 years and decided to sell it to cut my losses. Then I purchased my first foreign car, a Toyota Celica GT-S. Aside from regular maintenance, tires, etc., the only other cost was a new radiator at 180K. I drove it 250K miles with no more problems before selling it. I was sold.
Here’s a tip to the new GM from the voice of the customer. In addition to Caddy, Buick, and Chevy, consider another niche division called Classics. The concept is to simply resurrect the old classic body styles from the late 60s/early 70s unmodified, but package it with fully modern internals. The product line could start with bodies from the 67-69 Camaro/Z-28 and Firebird, 72 Cutlass 442, 70 Chevelle and Skylark. If reasonably priced, I would buy one in a second.
Participant[quote=paddyoh][quote=PKMAN]Couldn’t help to jump back in…
Rt66, even though we’re on different sides and I think you are too radical in your view, I admire you for taking the time and the detail to defend the Big 2, while the original poster pretty much just sit on the sideline to watch a good fight and only jumping in occasionally…….. [/quote]
I’m guessin’ that “original poster” would be me.
In case you forgot, my original title for this forum was:
“Time for Jeff Bridges to dump Hyundai….”
The topic understandably turned to automobiles, manufacturers, etc. – which was fine by me. I’ve made it clear that I agree with Rt. 66 and his belief in buying American made cars, etc. He has made his case so thoroughly I honestly do not know what I can add to defend the documented quality of the American made automobile or the mass screwing of the American blue collar worker.
The bigger picture to me has become American apathy towards American Made goods – particularly cars manufactured in the U.S.A.
It just baffles me that there is so much venom spewed by Americans against American auto workers and American made cars. It would seem that much of that comes from outright jealousy that the American auto worker had the nerve to make a decent enough wage to own a home and send his or her kids to college. That jealousy is then channeled towards the American car itself.
Then there appears to be guilt. The shame of, in a way, selling out one’s own country during a time of nearly unparalleled crisis, by buying a third world automobile and then trying to justify it by blaming it on unfounded, inferior American quality.
There are no doubt people here who have purchased an American made car that turned out to be a lemon. They have a legitimate gripe and may never buy anything other than an imported car again.
But, all the jealousy, guilt, shame, anger or whatever else is the motivation, does not change the fact that we are all still Americans. Maybe, at the end of the day, we can stop sweating the small stuff and pull together to help fix what the politicians cannot.
By buying American again, or even consciously making an effort to buy American made again, right now, today, even if it hurts or costs more, we can make a tiny step forward in restoring our sorely-needed manufacturing base. Americans did it during the World Wars. Why not now ?
Given the pickle we are in, I don’t think you can consider it protectionism. Nor blind patriotism, or being foolish with your money. Right now, today, it just makes sense.
Please take a few minutes of your time to ask Jeff Bridges to use his clout as a major celebrity and publicly renounce the Hyundai commercials and jump on the American Made bandwagon.
http://nicko62.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3268355%5B/quote%5D
No doubt the big 3s reliability and durability have improved in recent years and you could get one to last 150K miles. However, look at any reputable reliability survey and the Japanese cars statistically still win hands down. Even if the statistical edge is .01% and your main criteria is reliability, why would you not take advantage of it ? We all know the cost of repairs after warranty. You can’t leave a shop without coughing up a few hundred bucks even for the smallest repair, and if you’re a typical middle class family living check to check, why subject your family to that potential extra financial strain.
Let’s never forget that GM is a business like any other business whose ultimate goal is to turn a profit and create value for their shareholders. In other words, they don’t really care about you or the well being of your family. Any charity, sponsorship, community service, or random act of kindness to the general public cleverly disguised in the form of core business principles, is only performed to support that goal. Second, I don’t understand why people try to link love of country with support of a business whose profits stay private. Private profits whether it’s GM or Toyota can be benefitted by the public by simply buying their stock. Playing the Patriot card as a marketing tool to shame loyal Americans into buying a statistically inferior product from a company with an unsustainable cost structure is about as unamerican as it gets, bordering on socialism. Tough love intervention bankruptcy is the best solution for GM at this time. I truly hope they take this second/third chance and reemerge with the right focus to reestablish themselves as a global force for the sake of all those whose livelihood depend on it.
I am one of those that fell for the buy American marketing trick in the 80s. It was a GM and a piece of crap that gave me a lot of headaches especially with the dealer. I owned it for about 2 years and decided to sell it to cut my losses. Then I purchased my first foreign car, a Toyota Celica GT-S. Aside from regular maintenance, tires, etc., the only other cost was a new radiator at 180K. I drove it 250K miles with no more problems before selling it. I was sold.
Here’s a tip to the new GM from the voice of the customer. In addition to Caddy, Buick, and Chevy, consider another niche division called Classics. The concept is to simply resurrect the old classic body styles from the late 60s/early 70s unmodified, but package it with fully modern internals. The product line could start with bodies from the 67-69 Camaro/Z-28 and Firebird, 72 Cutlass 442, 70 Chevelle and Skylark. If reasonably priced, I would buy one in a second.
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