[CA renter]

svelte,

I think you should read this article, too. While many women choose to work outside the home because they find it fulfilling (and prefer it to staying home with the kids all day), many do so because they feel as though they have no choice. Either they feel as though they would be destitute without that income, or they take an income-earning position because they don’t want to risk being helpless if the husband abuses or abandons them.

But many women are working for a negative income, especially those at lower income levels. After taxes (taxed at higher rates, if they are married to an income-earning spouse), childcare, work clothing, accelerated car repairs/purchases, additional costs related to eating out due to workload, inability to shop properly and negotiate with contractors or others with whom they have to do business in their personal lives, etc…after all of this is taken into account, women are often left with just a few cents on the dollar earned, if that. Add to that all of the additional stress and strain on the marriage and family, and the quaint notion that women can “have it all” begins to crumble.

This article is long, but it describes the frustration many women feel about their roles in society. As I’ve said before, if we really cared about women’s issues, we would officially recognize the work that they do and impute a dollar value to it (and it’s a lot), and make sure they are legally protected in the event of abuse or abandonment. That would be REAL feminism. Instead, the “feminists” pretend to care about women’s issues while denigrating the work that has been traditionally done by women and exalting “men’s work” as the only kind of work that has any value. That is wrong, IMO.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/07/why-women-still-cant-have-it-all/309020/?single_page=true

[CA renter]

[quote=svelte]CAR, I’m gonna guess that you are a stay at home mom.

I think that would explain your skewed perspective. Stay-at-home moms tend to cling to older traditional concepts as you’ve described. But that doesn’t match reality.

Either that or you’re black – and I’ll explain why I say that below, where I’ll back up my position with factual data not generalizations and stereotypes.

[quote=CA renter]… most women would argue that having a husband who makes a decent living is necessary for a good marriage, as well. There are always exceptions, of course, but that doesn’t change the rule.
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This is simply not true. Most women would NOT argue that a hubby who makes a good living is necessary for a good marriage. See attached data.

Your statement is only true of the subset of women who are black. It is not true of American women in general, and is especially not true of white American women.

[img_assist|nid=19270|title=Pew Data A|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=335|height=554]
[img_assist|nid=19271|title=Pew Data B|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=612|height=494][/quote]

Scaredy addressed where you’re wrong on this (thanks, scaredy). Even when looking at your own graphs, it clearly shows that having a husband who earns a decent income is very important to most women. It’s also interesting to note that they apparently didn’t include physical attractiveness in the study you’ve linked. You can see from what they *did* include that the spouse’s income is more highly valued by women than by men (women value it at least twice as much as men in the white population). If they had included physical attractiveness, I’m sure that men would have rated that very highly, while women would have rated it at a much lower level (relative to men).

Here is the quote that scaredy was referring to:

“Changing Spousal Roles. In the past 50 years, women have reached near parity with men as a share of the workforce and have begun to outpace men in educational attainment. About six-in-ten wives work today, nearly double the share in 1960. There’s an unresolved tension in the public’s response to these changes. More than six-in-ten (62%) survey respondents endorse the modern marriage in which the husband and wife both work and both take care of the household and children; this is up from 48% in 1977. Even so, the public hasn’t entirely discarded the traditional male breadwinner template for marriage. Some 67% of survey respondents say that in order to be ready for marriage, it’s very important for a man to be able to support his family financially; just 33% say the same about a woman.“

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2010/11/18/the-decline-of-marriage-and-rise-of-new-families/2/#ii-overview

Another study about mate preferences:

“Finally, we provide detailed evidence on gender di
fferences in revealed mate preferences.
Compared to previous revealed preference studies, we employ a much larger sample and control for a large number of own and partner attributes, which is necessary to guard against omitted variable bias. Our results are overall consistent with many of the previous findings in psychology and economics (e.g., Buss 1995, Eastwick and Finkel 2008, Fisman et al. 2006, Kurzban and Weeden 2005, Regan et al. 2000). In particular, women have a stronger prefer-
ence for income relative to physical attributes, such as facial attractiveness, height, or body
mass index. These results are consistent with predictions from evolutionary psychology (Buss
1989, Buss and Schmitt 1993) and the competing social structure theory (Eagly and Wood
1999).

http://home.uchicago.edu/~ghitsch/Hitsch-Research/Guenter_Hitsch_files/Mate-Preferences.pdf

[CA renter]

[quote=zk][quote=CA renter]

From what I’ve seen, “conspiracy theorists” tend to be right more often than not. All to often, they are ridiculed for many years before they are proven right. One should never accept the “official” version of a story until they do their own thorough and independent research. Sometimes, logic and reason are enough to disprove an “official” story.[/quote]

Really? How about some examples?[/quote]

“10 Nefarious Conspiracies Proven True”

http://listverse.com/2013/05/02/10-nefarious-conspiracies-proven-true/

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There’s the story of “weapons of mass destruction” that didn’t exist in Iraq.

And I’m still not convinced we’ve heard the end of 9/11 investigation results.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

And the heavy put buying on United and American Airlines just days before 9/11. I’m offering up the rebuttal to the “conspiracy theorists” but they simply say that these traders didn’t have any links to al Qaeda, which wasn’t what the “conspiracy theorists” were suggesting in the first place.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp

And, of course, there’s the EPA telling NY residents that it was safe to breathe the air after 911 (and President Bush telling everyone in the U.S. to “go shopping”!).

“Three days after 9/11, following questionable air sampling techniques, a spokesperson for the EPA said that levels of asbestos were either at low levels, negligible, or undetectable.

“I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that the air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink,” Whitman said one week after 9/11.”

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/oct/the-9-11-cover-up

And just a tiny bit of info about the infiltration and destruction of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/05/fbi-occupy-wall-street_n_2410783.html

[CA renter]

[quote=flu]Second case reported in Texas….

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-outbreak/index.html?hpt=hp_t1%5B/quote%5D

From flu’s link:

“Official: Duncan should have been moved

An official close to the situation says that in hindsight, Duncan should have been transferred immediately to either Emory University Hospital in Atlanta or Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha.

Those hospitals are among only four in the country that have biocontainment units and have been preparing for years to treat a highly infectious disease like Ebola.

“If we knew then what we know now about this hospital’s ability to safely care for these patients, then we would have transferred him to Emory or Nebraska,” the official told CNN Senior Medical Correspondent Elizabeth Cohen.”

Again, something that was obvious to a lot of people who don’t even work in the medical field. Something like this requires very specialized facilities and highly trained staff.

[CA renter]

[quote=FlyerInHi]I have lots of whites. The hot whitest white cycle gets the job done.

In my vacation rentals, the towels are all white. Women use the towels to wipe off their makeup! The “whitest white” cycle with some bleach and some oxyclean does the job and makes the towels smell like hotel towels. 2-hour cycle in a whirlpool washer. I learned that from my cleaning lady.

I’ve seen appliances in Europe have only 1 water inlet. They have internal heating elements.[/quote]

1. I prefer not to use bleach whenever possible. It’s horribly bad stuff. (But I agree that you should probably use bleach in a vacation rental if guests are sharing towels and linens.)

2. We have a lot of laundry. There is no way in hell I’m going to wait 2 hours for the washing machine to finish one load.

[CA renter]

[quote=Blogstar]What is the benefit of using hot water in the laundry?[/quote]

[quote=spdrun]Kills bacteria? Removes stains? Boils Ebola viruses to death?[/quote]

Yes, spdrun’s nailed it.

Years ago, one of our kids got a MRSA infection. The doctor told us to wash all of her bedding and clothing in the hottest water possible in order to kill the germs. The doctor said she did it with all of her own laundry. I’ve been washing everything in HOT ever since.

Of course, there is nothing like hot water to get rid of many stains, too. It just cleans better.

[CA renter]

[quote=spdrun]

Yes, I think some people tweak things to make them work. Of course, none of this should be necessary, IMO, as machines should do what the owners want them to do. HE and other “green” technologies should always be one of the options, but it should always be an option. All too often, the “green” technologies end up doing far more harm than good, like when these machines give out after 5 years instead of 20, or when people have to double or triple-wash their clothes (or dishes, in the case of dishwashers…or flush 2, 3, or more times in the case of toilets, etc.) in order to get the same performance as the “non-green” goods and appliances.

Agreed – but only coupled with higher energy taxes in order to provide economic incentive to adopt more efficient tech when possible. I’d much rather have that sort of thing “enforced” by high taxes so that people would WANT more efficient hardware, as opposed to outright regulatory mandates.[/quote]

Totally agree.

[CA renter]

[quote=zk][quote=Zeitgeist]Because there seems to be a rift here between the official version of how the experts describe Ebola behavior and the disturbing evidence of how it appears to be spreading, I have to post this:

“If you’re a conspiracy theorist, then you’re crazy, right? That’s been the common belief for years, but recent studies prove that just the opposite is true. “Researchers — psychologists and social scientists, mostly — in the U.S. and United Kingdom say data indicate that, contrary to those mainstream media stereotypes, ‘conspiracy theorists’ appear to be more sane than people who accept official versions of controversial and contested events.”

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/047168_conspiracy_theorists_sanity_propaganda.html##ixzz3G5jlph32%5B/quote%5D

If you’re a conspiracy theorist, I would expect an incredibly lame article like that to be enough to convince you that you’re “more sane” than someone who’s not a conspiracy theorist. If I thought it would do any good, I’d take the time to destroy that article sentence by sentence.[/quote]

From what I’ve seen, “conspiracy theorists” tend to be right more often than not. All to often, they are ridiculed for many years before they are proven right. One should never accept the “official” version of a story until they do their own thorough and independent research. Sometimes, logic and reason are enough to disprove an “official” story.

[CA renter]

It might be “sexist,” but it’s reality, whether we like it or not. I’m sure most women would gladly trade places with men as far as the youth/beauty-for-money transaction goes. After all, one has some control over whether or not s/he has money, but very little control over one’s (natural) looks…and aging cannot be controlled at all.

FWIW, there are very few men who would marry a woman for money…but quite a few women who would marry a man for his looks (or sense of humor, intelligence, character, etc.). Men tend to have many variables with which they can attract women, while women have only one (for the most part) with which to attract men. Men are very much the winners in this deal.

And while most men would argue that you have to be physically attracted to your wife in order to have a good marriage, most women would argue that having a husband who makes a decent living is necessary for a good marriage, as well. There are always exceptions, of course, but that doesn’t change the rule.

So, while intelligent men will want a wife for things other than ONLY beauty; and intelligent women will want a husband for things other than ONLY money, both of these things are very highly prized by the respective sexes. It’s been this way throughout human history…again, whether we like it or not.

[CA renter]

[quote=spdrun]What if you connect both hot and cold hoses of the machine to hot water supply, or have a valve that allows you to cross-connect the cold hose to hot water when you need an extra hot wash?

New machines seem to be gimped to a max wash temperature of 120F. What about altering the thermistor that senses water temperature to make it think that the water is 10-20F colder than it is? Should be a simple circuit change.

Or if the circuit is more complex, isolating the sensor from the water flow and just hanging it out in the air would force it to go to full-hot…[/quote]

Yes, I think some people tweak things to make them work. Of course, none of this should be necessary, IMO, as machines should do what the owners want them to do. HE and other “green” technologies should always be one of the options, but it should always be an option. All too often, the “green” technologies end up doing far more harm than good, like when these machines give out after 5 years instead of 20, or when people have to double or triple-wash their clothes (or dishes, in the case of dishwashers…or flush 2, 3, or more times in the case of toilets, etc.) in order to get the same performance as the “non-green” goods and appliances.

[CA renter]

[quote=FlyerInHi]I hate top load machines. I get rid of them immediately.

I like angular euro design. American appliances look bad. I’m glad GE sold to Electrolux.[/quote]

Of course you do, Brian. 🙂

They make front-loaders, too. And their machines don’t stink of mold/mildew like the other ones do, according to those who’ve had both.

[CA renter]

[quote=njtosd][quote=CA renter][quote=svelte][quote=flyer]Not all beautiful women are vacuous gold diggers, just as not all handsome men are shallow trophy wife collectors, and I have to agree, to each his/her own when choosing a partner for all of the right
reasons–love, happiness, achieving life goals, etc., etc.

The wedding, the ring, the fabulous honeymoon, the great house, and all of the “stuff” are nice, and we’ve all been there, but, IMO, what makes the relationship lasting and beautiful is the deeper bond that’s been forged by things that money can’t buy.[/quote]

Agree with every word.

That’s why alarm bells would go off if I even caught a whiff of a potential spouse that was marrying me for the money. To those who are together for the $$, that’s A-OK with me as long as it works for them. But that’s not what I want my relationships built upon.[/quote]

Should alarm bells go off when a woman catches a whiff of a potential suitor/spouse wanting her for her beauty? (I would say yes.)

It goes both ways.[/quote]

Absolutely. It’s an entirely selfish motivation, just as marrying for money is a selfish motivation. Both are very traditional, though.[/quote]

Exactly…selfish and superficial. I was just trying to point out that there is a female side to this, too. And very traditional, yes.

[CA renter]

[quote=scaredyclassic]

there is a number that is calculable and is calculated every day by our supercomputer brains which tells us the likelihood of successful reproduction with this other. some brains are better able to calculate contingencies and advanced future planning and needs. no other number ultimately matters. we are genetic calculators and we thereofre often act against what seems to be our best interests. nothing about us or our design cares about us.

this ultimately is who we are. it’s not about happiness or compatibiility. it’s about our selfish, selfish genes…

this site is primitive, really kind of dubmb, but may st least show that reaity exists independently of our fantasies.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/dating-market-value-test-for-men/%5B/quote%5D

A few tweaks, and your site is ready! 🙂

[CA renter]

[quote=outtamojo][quote=zk][quote=outtamojo]According to Yahoo article, nurse who caught it knew full well she was treating Ebola patient and was wearing the full protective outfit.
I work in healthcare and I knew all along how these bulletins and special protocols work. They send you emails and maybe let you put on the gear a few times and then make you sign a piece of paper saying you were trained but nothing preps you for the real thing. There is only one good teacher and that is experience, which we dont have in good supply.
They will try to blame it on the poor
worker but in my view the pencil pushers as they always do failed to take into account the practical aspect of a learning curve.
They need to set up a team able to travel to care for stateside Ebola patients so they can get the necessary experience. They need to set up rooms for the team to live so they self quarantine.
The range in talent between the best and the worst healthcare workers is such that if you send in the worst you are just sending them in to die.
Hug your healthcare worker today for they risk their own lives and that of their families everyday.[/quote]

Good points and good ideas, mojo. I like the traveling team idea.

I imagine that the story of the Texas healthcare worker will be similar to the Spain healthcare worker. Made a small mistake and paid for it tragically. Not to put the blame on her. Like you said, without experience in dealing with these things, it would be very difficult to make zero mistakes.[/quote]

A care team from the military sounds ideal – they are already on duty and I bet they get way more training than your average hospital worker.
http://www.naturalnews.com/047226_Ebola_outbreak_Dallas_health_care_worker.html
That Frieden guy needs to resign.[/quote]

Totally agree with all of your posts on this, outtamojo.

[CA renter]

[quote=kev374]The latest trend is getting multiple rings 😀

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyOUvdx2Aoo%5B/quote%5D

That’s hilarious!

Let’s not forget, though, that he would have it no other way. He would not be attracted to the type of girl who would be happy with a simple gold/silver band and a backyard wedding.

The balance thing works!

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