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March 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM in reply to: Elite Actor Spends Public Money on his Bloated Mansion #364052March 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM in reply to: Elite Actor Spends Public Money on his Bloated Mansion #364341
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Participant[quote=air_ogi]I am not sure where you are getting your 138 years number.
In developed markets (for example Germany) home based solar costs are $5/W. (installed, without subsidies)
At those rates, in high insolation area like San Diego, over 25 years you get about 45kWh per W, or about 11c/kwh. And since this energy is local, it doesn’t require additional distribution costs.
Solar should be under $3.5/W by 2012 or 7.7c/kWh.
Or you can keep adding to $41B Black Lung Program program.[/quote]
I divided the $1,000,000 by a $600 a month utility bill to get 138 years. The point is it is pointless to spend that amount to be green.
Using a calculator on a local solar installer’s website the total cost to install a normal SFH system would be $38,000. If you pick $100 as your average electric use and divide the two you get 31 years to pay that back. Once again that is a bad economic choice.
I have a hunch that the costs are higher here in CA because it is subsidized. Why would you lower your prices to be competitive when everyone gets free money?
March 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM in reply to: Elite Actor Spends Public Money on his Bloated Mansion #364500Participant[quote=air_ogi]I am not sure where you are getting your 138 years number.
In developed markets (for example Germany) home based solar costs are $5/W. (installed, without subsidies)
At those rates, in high insolation area like San Diego, over 25 years you get about 45kWh per W, or about 11c/kwh. And since this energy is local, it doesn’t require additional distribution costs.
Solar should be under $3.5/W by 2012 or 7.7c/kWh.
Or you can keep adding to $41B Black Lung Program program.[/quote]
I divided the $1,000,000 by a $600 a month utility bill to get 138 years. The point is it is pointless to spend that amount to be green.
Using a calculator on a local solar installer’s website the total cost to install a normal SFH system would be $38,000. If you pick $100 as your average electric use and divide the two you get 31 years to pay that back. Once again that is a bad economic choice.
I have a hunch that the costs are higher here in CA because it is subsidized. Why would you lower your prices to be competitive when everyone gets free money?
March 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM in reply to: Elite Actor Spends Public Money on his Bloated Mansion #364533Participant[quote=air_ogi]I am not sure where you are getting your 138 years number.
In developed markets (for example Germany) home based solar costs are $5/W. (installed, without subsidies)
At those rates, in high insolation area like San Diego, over 25 years you get about 45kWh per W, or about 11c/kwh. And since this energy is local, it doesn’t require additional distribution costs.
Solar should be under $3.5/W by 2012 or 7.7c/kWh.
Or you can keep adding to $41B Black Lung Program program.[/quote]
I divided the $1,000,000 by a $600 a month utility bill to get 138 years. The point is it is pointless to spend that amount to be green.
Using a calculator on a local solar installer’s website the total cost to install a normal SFH system would be $38,000. If you pick $100 as your average electric use and divide the two you get 31 years to pay that back. Once again that is a bad economic choice.
I have a hunch that the costs are higher here in CA because it is subsidized. Why would you lower your prices to be competitive when everyone gets free money?
March 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM in reply to: Elite Actor Spends Public Money on his Bloated Mansion #364647Participant[quote=air_ogi]I am not sure where you are getting your 138 years number.
In developed markets (for example Germany) home based solar costs are $5/W. (installed, without subsidies)
At those rates, in high insolation area like San Diego, over 25 years you get about 45kWh per W, or about 11c/kwh. And since this energy is local, it doesn’t require additional distribution costs.
Solar should be under $3.5/W by 2012 or 7.7c/kWh.
Or you can keep adding to $41B Black Lung Program program.[/quote]
I divided the $1,000,000 by a $600 a month utility bill to get 138 years. The point is it is pointless to spend that amount to be green.
Using a calculator on a local solar installer’s website the total cost to install a normal SFH system would be $38,000. If you pick $100 as your average electric use and divide the two you get 31 years to pay that back. Once again that is a bad economic choice.
I have a hunch that the costs are higher here in CA because it is subsidized. Why would you lower your prices to be competitive when everyone gets free money?
March 10, 2009 at 3:57 PM in reply to: Elite Actor Spends Public Money on his Bloated Mansion #363549ParticipantIt’s socialism.
March 10, 2009 at 3:57 PM in reply to: Elite Actor Spends Public Money on his Bloated Mansion #363837ParticipantIt’s socialism.
March 10, 2009 at 3:57 PM in reply to: Elite Actor Spends Public Money on his Bloated Mansion #363994ParticipantIt’s socialism.
March 10, 2009 at 3:57 PM in reply to: Elite Actor Spends Public Money on his Bloated Mansion #364030ParticipantIt’s socialism.
March 10, 2009 at 3:57 PM in reply to: Elite Actor Spends Public Money on his Bloated Mansion #364142ParticipantIt’s socialism.
March 10, 2009 at 3:55 PM in reply to: Elite Actor Spends Public Money on his Bloated Mansion #363544ParticipantWith an ROI of 138 years there are many other things that could be stimulated sooner.
When do you suppose the solar industry will be able to go at it alone? We have been subsidizing them since Carter and still they are too expensive to compete. When people say they don’t pay an electric bill after installing solar they neglect to mention the $30K capital investment.
March 10, 2009 at 3:55 PM in reply to: Elite Actor Spends Public Money on his Bloated Mansion #363832ParticipantWith an ROI of 138 years there are many other things that could be stimulated sooner.
When do you suppose the solar industry will be able to go at it alone? We have been subsidizing them since Carter and still they are too expensive to compete. When people say they don’t pay an electric bill after installing solar they neglect to mention the $30K capital investment.
March 10, 2009 at 3:55 PM in reply to: Elite Actor Spends Public Money on his Bloated Mansion #363989ParticipantWith an ROI of 138 years there are many other things that could be stimulated sooner.
When do you suppose the solar industry will be able to go at it alone? We have been subsidizing them since Carter and still they are too expensive to compete. When people say they don’t pay an electric bill after installing solar they neglect to mention the $30K capital investment.
March 10, 2009 at 3:55 PM in reply to: Elite Actor Spends Public Money on his Bloated Mansion #364025ParticipantWith an ROI of 138 years there are many other things that could be stimulated sooner.
When do you suppose the solar industry will be able to go at it alone? We have been subsidizing them since Carter and still they are too expensive to compete. When people say they don’t pay an electric bill after installing solar they neglect to mention the $30K capital investment.
March 10, 2009 at 3:55 PM in reply to: Elite Actor Spends Public Money on his Bloated Mansion #364137ParticipantWith an ROI of 138 years there are many other things that could be stimulated sooner.
When do you suppose the solar industry will be able to go at it alone? We have been subsidizing them since Carter and still they are too expensive to compete. When people say they don’t pay an electric bill after installing solar they neglect to mention the $30K capital investment.
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