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ParticipantOK. let’s stop buying Hyundai. But why stop there?
then I’m going to stop buying any electronics. They ship them from China you know. No cell phone, TV, radio, MP3 player, microwave, fridge. this computer I’m typing on is, Oh Snap, made in Japan.
I’m gonna pretty much walk around naked b/c most clothing are made outside this country.
Won’t be filling up my gas tank anymore. Can’t be supporting those terrorists in the Middle East.
gotta go burn the rest of my belongings. Can’t be known as unpatriotic.
I’m gonna walk around (no clothing, no gas) barefoot naked and live in the 18th century (electronics) but hey, I’ll be patriotic!Paddyoh, you should really join the buy/support America movement by following the above example.
Participantwould you rather buy a Chevy made in Mehico or a Honda made in America?
multiply that by your 20,000Participantwould you rather buy a Chevy made in Mehico or a Honda made in America?
multiply that by your 20,000Participantwould you rather buy a Chevy made in Mehico or a Honda made in America?
multiply that by your 20,000Participantwould you rather buy a Chevy made in Mehico or a Honda made in America?
multiply that by your 20,000Participantwould you rather buy a Chevy made in Mehico or a Honda made in America?
multiply that by your 20,000April 12, 2009 at 10:41 PM in reply to: OT: How badly are doctors/hospitals getting squeezed by insurance co? #379888Participant[quote=paramount]patientrenter: My statements are not in conflict because I did not define what those limitations might be.
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there in lies the problem.
everyone has a different idea of what the appropriate limit may be.
during my rotations in the ICU as a medical student and resident, I witnessed some family members demanding “every thing be done. cost be damned” for the dying patients. Guess who ended up footing the bill?
that $500,000 to keep the patient alive 4 weeks longer could have been used to educate or treat hundreds of needy kids.
look at Octomom and her $1.5million hospital stay. Not to mention the lifetime cost to raise those medically needy kids. For her, society should pay b/c that is the “appropriate limit”.April 12, 2009 at 10:41 PM in reply to: OT: How badly are doctors/hospitals getting squeezed by insurance co? #380162Participant[quote=paramount]patientrenter: My statements are not in conflict because I did not define what those limitations might be.
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there in lies the problem.
everyone has a different idea of what the appropriate limit may be.
during my rotations in the ICU as a medical student and resident, I witnessed some family members demanding “every thing be done. cost be damned” for the dying patients. Guess who ended up footing the bill?
that $500,000 to keep the patient alive 4 weeks longer could have been used to educate or treat hundreds of needy kids.
look at Octomom and her $1.5million hospital stay. Not to mention the lifetime cost to raise those medically needy kids. For her, society should pay b/c that is the “appropriate limit”.April 12, 2009 at 10:41 PM in reply to: OT: How badly are doctors/hospitals getting squeezed by insurance co? #380346Participant[quote=paramount]patientrenter: My statements are not in conflict because I did not define what those limitations might be.
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there in lies the problem.
everyone has a different idea of what the appropriate limit may be.
during my rotations in the ICU as a medical student and resident, I witnessed some family members demanding “every thing be done. cost be damned” for the dying patients. Guess who ended up footing the bill?
that $500,000 to keep the patient alive 4 weeks longer could have been used to educate or treat hundreds of needy kids.
look at Octomom and her $1.5million hospital stay. Not to mention the lifetime cost to raise those medically needy kids. For her, society should pay b/c that is the “appropriate limit”.April 12, 2009 at 10:41 PM in reply to: OT: How badly are doctors/hospitals getting squeezed by insurance co? #380393Participant[quote=paramount]patientrenter: My statements are not in conflict because I did not define what those limitations might be.
[/quote]
there in lies the problem.
everyone has a different idea of what the appropriate limit may be.
during my rotations in the ICU as a medical student and resident, I witnessed some family members demanding “every thing be done. cost be damned” for the dying patients. Guess who ended up footing the bill?
that $500,000 to keep the patient alive 4 weeks longer could have been used to educate or treat hundreds of needy kids.
look at Octomom and her $1.5million hospital stay. Not to mention the lifetime cost to raise those medically needy kids. For her, society should pay b/c that is the “appropriate limit”.April 12, 2009 at 10:41 PM in reply to: OT: How badly are doctors/hospitals getting squeezed by insurance co? #380521Participant[quote=paramount]patientrenter: My statements are not in conflict because I did not define what those limitations might be.
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there in lies the problem.
everyone has a different idea of what the appropriate limit may be.
during my rotations in the ICU as a medical student and resident, I witnessed some family members demanding “every thing be done. cost be damned” for the dying patients. Guess who ended up footing the bill?
that $500,000 to keep the patient alive 4 weeks longer could have been used to educate or treat hundreds of needy kids.
look at Octomom and her $1.5million hospital stay. Not to mention the lifetime cost to raise those medically needy kids. For her, society should pay b/c that is the “appropriate limit”.Participant[quote=SDEngineer][quote=jpinpb]I understand the two different scenarios. However, look at Obama. Single mom. There are many people that struggle but still have choices. [/quote]
And there always will be those success stories.
However, in the U.S. (one of the most capitalistic of the industrialized nations), vertical class mobility is far lower than in most of western Europe (where most of the nations have a more socialistic capitalist system). In other words, which economic class you are born into in the U.S. is more likely to determine where you will economically end up than in other industrialized nations.
Opportunity is there, but it’s harder to take advantage of in our system compared to many others.[/quote]
sources?
as far as I know, most successful people in US made it there on their own.
In addition to Obama, there are Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Jimmy Carter Bill Gates, Warren Buffett,Jerry Yang, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniac, Troy Aikman,Carlos Mencia, A-Rod,Jennifer Lopez, Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Kelly Clarkson, Magic Johnson, Lance Armstrong, Brad Pitt, Jody Foster, Jim Carrey. The list goes on and on.
the only exception are George Bush and the Kennedy’s.
I can give 10 “self-made” names for every “legacy” name you give.
the professor is an idiot. case closed.Participant[quote=SDEngineer][quote=jpinpb]I understand the two different scenarios. However, look at Obama. Single mom. There are many people that struggle but still have choices. [/quote]
And there always will be those success stories.
However, in the U.S. (one of the most capitalistic of the industrialized nations), vertical class mobility is far lower than in most of western Europe (where most of the nations have a more socialistic capitalist system). In other words, which economic class you are born into in the U.S. is more likely to determine where you will economically end up than in other industrialized nations.
Opportunity is there, but it’s harder to take advantage of in our system compared to many others.[/quote]
sources?
as far as I know, most successful people in US made it there on their own.
In addition to Obama, there are Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Jimmy Carter Bill Gates, Warren Buffett,Jerry Yang, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniac, Troy Aikman,Carlos Mencia, A-Rod,Jennifer Lopez, Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Kelly Clarkson, Magic Johnson, Lance Armstrong, Brad Pitt, Jody Foster, Jim Carrey. The list goes on and on.
the only exception are George Bush and the Kennedy’s.
I can give 10 “self-made” names for every “legacy” name you give.
the professor is an idiot. case closed.Participant[quote=SDEngineer][quote=jpinpb]I understand the two different scenarios. However, look at Obama. Single mom. There are many people that struggle but still have choices. [/quote]
And there always will be those success stories.
However, in the U.S. (one of the most capitalistic of the industrialized nations), vertical class mobility is far lower than in most of western Europe (where most of the nations have a more socialistic capitalist system). In other words, which economic class you are born into in the U.S. is more likely to determine where you will economically end up than in other industrialized nations.
Opportunity is there, but it’s harder to take advantage of in our system compared to many others.[/quote]
sources?
as far as I know, most successful people in US made it there on their own.
In addition to Obama, there are Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Jimmy Carter Bill Gates, Warren Buffett,Jerry Yang, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniac, Troy Aikman,Carlos Mencia, A-Rod,Jennifer Lopez, Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Kelly Clarkson, Magic Johnson, Lance Armstrong, Brad Pitt, Jody Foster, Jim Carrey. The list goes on and on.
the only exception are George Bush and the Kennedy’s.
I can give 10 “self-made” names for every “legacy” name you give.
the professor is an idiot. case closed. -
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