[bob2007]

TheBreeze, there is a blog I have read by the same name. Is that you? If so, I think nearly your entire existence has been on govt projects. Obama is perfect for you – you get paid by tax dollars, either from the govt directly, or by a govt contractor.

[bob2007]

TheBreeze, there is a blog I have read by the same name. Is that you? If so, I think nearly your entire existence has been on govt projects. Obama is perfect for you – you get paid by tax dollars, either from the govt directly, or by a govt contractor.

[bob2007]

gandalf,

You do make a good point, but I just read this today in the opinion column. Those in the top 5% pay 60% of the taxes, up from 48%. It is in the opinion column, but if true, it does seem like you can make the argument that those making over %153k (from the article) are paying. Actually, to me it seems like the ones who are paying are between $153k and $1M. I too feel that something needs to be done when profitable companies pay 0 tax.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081017/news_lz1e17chavez.html

[bob2007]

gandalf,

You do make a good point, but I just read this today in the opinion column. Those in the top 5% pay 60% of the taxes, up from 48%. It is in the opinion column, but if true, it does seem like you can make the argument that those making over %153k (from the article) are paying. Actually, to me it seems like the ones who are paying are between $153k and $1M. I too feel that something needs to be done when profitable companies pay 0 tax.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081017/news_lz1e17chavez.html

[bob2007]

gandalf,

You do make a good point, but I just read this today in the opinion column. Those in the top 5% pay 60% of the taxes, up from 48%. It is in the opinion column, but if true, it does seem like you can make the argument that those making over %153k (from the article) are paying. Actually, to me it seems like the ones who are paying are between $153k and $1M. I too feel that something needs to be done when profitable companies pay 0 tax.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081017/news_lz1e17chavez.html

[bob2007]

gandalf,

You do make a good point, but I just read this today in the opinion column. Those in the top 5% pay 60% of the taxes, up from 48%. It is in the opinion column, but if true, it does seem like you can make the argument that those making over %153k (from the article) are paying. Actually, to me it seems like the ones who are paying are between $153k and $1M. I too feel that something needs to be done when profitable companies pay 0 tax.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081017/news_lz1e17chavez.html

[bob2007]

gandalf,

You do make a good point, but I just read this today in the opinion column. Those in the top 5% pay 60% of the taxes, up from 48%. It is in the opinion column, but if true, it does seem like you can make the argument that those making over %153k (from the article) are paying. Actually, to me it seems like the ones who are paying are between $153k and $1M. I too feel that something needs to be done when profitable companies pay 0 tax.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081017/news_lz1e17chavez.html

[bob2007]

patientlywaiting: I agree with you on Joe the plumber, and am not defending him or McCain.

I have no problem paying tax on income I spend. I just wish there was a way to tax small business less on money used to grow the business. I dont know of any way to accomplish that without the rich abusing it by creating companies as shelters.

TheBreeze: The anger in your response could mean I was correct about you. Those that are successful don’t need to post about headhunters and how wonderful their life is. It is human nature that sometimes we need to live through an experience to learn, rather than just have others with experience tell us what is very likely to happen. This is the case with you now, and it is understandable.

I spend the most part of every week traveling the country, and see many different points of view. I understand that many middle class people see the greed and want to do what they think is right to stop it. The problem is that giving money to the government will not provide a solution. You would be hard pressed to find programs run by the government that are more efficient than private sector. Motivated business people are not going to simply stand by and be taxed higher, when this tax money is going to govt bailouts and poor decision making by other people.

TheBreeze, I ask you to consider the following scenario:

– You are in school. You work very hard and get an A in your class.

– Others in your class don’t work as hard and get a C.

At the end of the semester, should all the grades be accumulated by the teacher, and you all get a B? You still received a B, which is better than a C, so you should be happy to do it because you are doing your part and just getting taxed to support those who are are not choosing to do what you do.

[bob2007]

patientlywaiting: I agree with you on Joe the plumber, and am not defending him or McCain.

I have no problem paying tax on income I spend. I just wish there was a way to tax small business less on money used to grow the business. I dont know of any way to accomplish that without the rich abusing it by creating companies as shelters.

TheBreeze: The anger in your response could mean I was correct about you. Those that are successful don’t need to post about headhunters and how wonderful their life is. It is human nature that sometimes we need to live through an experience to learn, rather than just have others with experience tell us what is very likely to happen. This is the case with you now, and it is understandable.

I spend the most part of every week traveling the country, and see many different points of view. I understand that many middle class people see the greed and want to do what they think is right to stop it. The problem is that giving money to the government will not provide a solution. You would be hard pressed to find programs run by the government that are more efficient than private sector. Motivated business people are not going to simply stand by and be taxed higher, when this tax money is going to govt bailouts and poor decision making by other people.

TheBreeze, I ask you to consider the following scenario:

– You are in school. You work very hard and get an A in your class.

– Others in your class don’t work as hard and get a C.

At the end of the semester, should all the grades be accumulated by the teacher, and you all get a B? You still received a B, which is better than a C, so you should be happy to do it because you are doing your part and just getting taxed to support those who are are not choosing to do what you do.

[bob2007]

patientlywaiting: I agree with you on Joe the plumber, and am not defending him or McCain.

I have no problem paying tax on income I spend. I just wish there was a way to tax small business less on money used to grow the business. I dont know of any way to accomplish that without the rich abusing it by creating companies as shelters.

TheBreeze: The anger in your response could mean I was correct about you. Those that are successful don’t need to post about headhunters and how wonderful their life is. It is human nature that sometimes we need to live through an experience to learn, rather than just have others with experience tell us what is very likely to happen. This is the case with you now, and it is understandable.

I spend the most part of every week traveling the country, and see many different points of view. I understand that many middle class people see the greed and want to do what they think is right to stop it. The problem is that giving money to the government will not provide a solution. You would be hard pressed to find programs run by the government that are more efficient than private sector. Motivated business people are not going to simply stand by and be taxed higher, when this tax money is going to govt bailouts and poor decision making by other people.

TheBreeze, I ask you to consider the following scenario:

– You are in school. You work very hard and get an A in your class.

– Others in your class don’t work as hard and get a C.

At the end of the semester, should all the grades be accumulated by the teacher, and you all get a B? You still received a B, which is better than a C, so you should be happy to do it because you are doing your part and just getting taxed to support those who are are not choosing to do what you do.

[bob2007]

patientlywaiting: I agree with you on Joe the plumber, and am not defending him or McCain.

I have no problem paying tax on income I spend. I just wish there was a way to tax small business less on money used to grow the business. I dont know of any way to accomplish that without the rich abusing it by creating companies as shelters.

TheBreeze: The anger in your response could mean I was correct about you. Those that are successful don’t need to post about headhunters and how wonderful their life is. It is human nature that sometimes we need to live through an experience to learn, rather than just have others with experience tell us what is very likely to happen. This is the case with you now, and it is understandable.

I spend the most part of every week traveling the country, and see many different points of view. I understand that many middle class people see the greed and want to do what they think is right to stop it. The problem is that giving money to the government will not provide a solution. You would be hard pressed to find programs run by the government that are more efficient than private sector. Motivated business people are not going to simply stand by and be taxed higher, when this tax money is going to govt bailouts and poor decision making by other people.

TheBreeze, I ask you to consider the following scenario:

– You are in school. You work very hard and get an A in your class.

– Others in your class don’t work as hard and get a C.

At the end of the semester, should all the grades be accumulated by the teacher, and you all get a B? You still received a B, which is better than a C, so you should be happy to do it because you are doing your part and just getting taxed to support those who are are not choosing to do what you do.

[bob2007]

patientlywaiting: I agree with you on Joe the plumber, and am not defending him or McCain.

I have no problem paying tax on income I spend. I just wish there was a way to tax small business less on money used to grow the business. I dont know of any way to accomplish that without the rich abusing it by creating companies as shelters.

TheBreeze: The anger in your response could mean I was correct about you. Those that are successful don’t need to post about headhunters and how wonderful their life is. It is human nature that sometimes we need to live through an experience to learn, rather than just have others with experience tell us what is very likely to happen. This is the case with you now, and it is understandable.

I spend the most part of every week traveling the country, and see many different points of view. I understand that many middle class people see the greed and want to do what they think is right to stop it. The problem is that giving money to the government will not provide a solution. You would be hard pressed to find programs run by the government that are more efficient than private sector. Motivated business people are not going to simply stand by and be taxed higher, when this tax money is going to govt bailouts and poor decision making by other people.

TheBreeze, I ask you to consider the following scenario:

– You are in school. You work very hard and get an A in your class.

– Others in your class don’t work as hard and get a C.

At the end of the semester, should all the grades be accumulated by the teacher, and you all get a B? You still received a B, which is better than a C, so you should be happy to do it because you are doing your part and just getting taxed to support those who are are not choosing to do what you do.

[bob2007]

I am reading this thread with great sadness. TheBreeze and patientlywaiting: correct me if I’m wrong, but this seems like the case with many americans who don’t have money voting on what to do with other peoples money.

There are always exceptions, but in general, if you work hard you should be rewarded. Please don’t quote some special cases where this is not true; in general it is true.

You two can’t possibly have run your own business, or if you did it did not go well. Small businesses need capital to grow. While many small businesses are a single person, many more have a staff. If you employ a low number like 10 – 25 people, you need easy access to capital for growth, and to cover payroll in tough times. The media always reports on underfunded companies, but having a bank account with 500k to 750k should not be penalized, as Obama wants to do.

If I were to make $500k+ as personal income with intent to spend it on consumption, then I am more open to taxing it than I am if it is capital for my business. However, if I get taxed on my business cash flow, I’m laying one of you two off, possibly for your feelings of entitlement and lack of motivation to be successful.

People just don’t get it. They think people and companies will just pay the additional tax. That won’t happen. Companies that can move to a lower tax location will do it. Now its an enforcement problem. Smaller companies in the US will operate differently to maximize income. Possibly fewer employees, definitely a change in money habits that will oppose the Obama tax plan.

I don’t think we have a good candidate to vote for, so I’m voting for the lesser evil, McCain. If Hillary were still around, she would be preferable to McCain. So I’m not party specific.

[bob2007]

I am reading this thread with great sadness. TheBreeze and patientlywaiting: correct me if I’m wrong, but this seems like the case with many americans who don’t have money voting on what to do with other peoples money.

There are always exceptions, but in general, if you work hard you should be rewarded. Please don’t quote some special cases where this is not true; in general it is true.

You two can’t possibly have run your own business, or if you did it did not go well. Small businesses need capital to grow. While many small businesses are a single person, many more have a staff. If you employ a low number like 10 – 25 people, you need easy access to capital for growth, and to cover payroll in tough times. The media always reports on underfunded companies, but having a bank account with 500k to 750k should not be penalized, as Obama wants to do.

If I were to make $500k+ as personal income with intent to spend it on consumption, then I am more open to taxing it than I am if it is capital for my business. However, if I get taxed on my business cash flow, I’m laying one of you two off, possibly for your feelings of entitlement and lack of motivation to be successful.

People just don’t get it. They think people and companies will just pay the additional tax. That won’t happen. Companies that can move to a lower tax location will do it. Now its an enforcement problem. Smaller companies in the US will operate differently to maximize income. Possibly fewer employees, definitely a change in money habits that will oppose the Obama tax plan.

I don’t think we have a good candidate to vote for, so I’m voting for the lesser evil, McCain. If Hillary were still around, she would be preferable to McCain. So I’m not party specific.

[bob2007]

I am reading this thread with great sadness. TheBreeze and patientlywaiting: correct me if I’m wrong, but this seems like the case with many americans who don’t have money voting on what to do with other peoples money.

There are always exceptions, but in general, if you work hard you should be rewarded. Please don’t quote some special cases where this is not true; in general it is true.

You two can’t possibly have run your own business, or if you did it did not go well. Small businesses need capital to grow. While many small businesses are a single person, many more have a staff. If you employ a low number like 10 – 25 people, you need easy access to capital for growth, and to cover payroll in tough times. The media always reports on underfunded companies, but having a bank account with 500k to 750k should not be penalized, as Obama wants to do.

If I were to make $500k+ as personal income with intent to spend it on consumption, then I am more open to taxing it than I am if it is capital for my business. However, if I get taxed on my business cash flow, I’m laying one of you two off, possibly for your feelings of entitlement and lack of motivation to be successful.

People just don’t get it. They think people and companies will just pay the additional tax. That won’t happen. Companies that can move to a lower tax location will do it. Now its an enforcement problem. Smaller companies in the US will operate differently to maximize income. Possibly fewer employees, definitely a change in money habits that will oppose the Obama tax plan.

I don’t think we have a good candidate to vote for, so I’m voting for the lesser evil, McCain. If Hillary were still around, she would be preferable to McCain. So I’m not party specific.

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