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ParticipantDave, you missed the third flaw. Some people are sociopathic cheaters, and many of them never get caught or punished. Also, the personalities that cheat gravitate towards positions of power and, over time, the levers of power become concentrated in the hands of sociopathic cheaters. This is the big failing of communism, too. The fact that Bernie Madoff and Ken Lay bilked people out of billions isn’t a fault of capitalism, it’s a fault of certain sociopathic humans. Laws and enforcement are unfortunate necessities to ensure that as many of the cheaters as possible get caught. Laissez-Faire systems could only work if people were angels, but then of course communism would work great if everyone were angels too.
Why does anyone think that *any* system thought up by flawed human beings could ever be perfect? Didn’t they pay attention in Sunday school?
ParticipantThe Chicago Boys tried to set up some free market utopias down in South America in the 70s based on the teachings of Milton Friedman (a big fan of “Atlas Shrugged”). Ask any person from Chile or Argentina how well that worked out for them and you’ll get an earful.
ParticipantThe Chicago Boys tried to set up some free market utopias down in South America in the 70s based on the teachings of Milton Friedman (a big fan of “Atlas Shrugged”). Ask any person from Chile or Argentina how well that worked out for them and you’ll get an earful.
ParticipantThe Chicago Boys tried to set up some free market utopias down in South America in the 70s based on the teachings of Milton Friedman (a big fan of “Atlas Shrugged”). Ask any person from Chile or Argentina how well that worked out for them and you’ll get an earful.
ParticipantThe Chicago Boys tried to set up some free market utopias down in South America in the 70s based on the teachings of Milton Friedman (a big fan of “Atlas Shrugged”). Ask any person from Chile or Argentina how well that worked out for them and you’ll get an earful.
ParticipantThe Chicago Boys tried to set up some free market utopias down in South America in the 70s based on the teachings of Milton Friedman (a big fan of “Atlas Shrugged”). Ask any person from Chile or Argentina how well that worked out for them and you’ll get an earful.
ParticipantI love the whole “we’ll use gold to buy necessities when the Mad Max scenario hits” idea. Let’s see how this works:
1) Walk to the store with some of your gold coins and buy food.
2) Your starving neighbors notice the one guy on the street carrying food back to his house and surmise that he must have some gold.
3) Your starving neighbors storm your house and steal all of your food and gold. You shoot a couple of them before they overrun and kill you.
There is also the alternate scenario in which private ownership of gold is again outlawed by the federal government as happened under FDR. In that scenario the story goes like this:
1) Walk to the store with some of your gold coins and try to buy food.
2) The clerk freaks out when he sees gold coins instead of the federally-issued emergency ration coupons and presses the button under his cash register.
3) Blackwater goons attached to the store (to prevent rioting) grab you, throw a hood over your head and load you into a truck to be taken to a FEMA camp for some extreme sports activities like waterboarding.
Maybe you think you can escape the Mad Max world of Southern California and carry your gold coins off to someplace safer like Costa Rica or Australia? That scenario is quite entertaining as well:
1) Walk through a federal checkpoint X-Ray machine in an airport or at a border (could even be state or city borders if the SRHTF) on your way out of town.
2) Ding ding ding goes the metal detector.
3) The TSA gangstaz confiscate all of your gold coins which they then melt down to make new grillz for their teeth. Just for fun they take your shoes too.
Sorry I just ain’t buying it — now having a garden and some chickens and goats I can see. Having stores of food and water, I see that. Having a gun and some bullets and basically laying low for a while, I see that too. Walking down the street with gold doubloons in your pocket? Not so much but hey if you think it’ll work more power to you.
ParticipantI love the whole “we’ll use gold to buy necessities when the Mad Max scenario hits” idea. Let’s see how this works:
1) Walk to the store with some of your gold coins and buy food.
2) Your starving neighbors notice the one guy on the street carrying food back to his house and surmise that he must have some gold.
3) Your starving neighbors storm your house and steal all of your food and gold. You shoot a couple of them before they overrun and kill you.
There is also the alternate scenario in which private ownership of gold is again outlawed by the federal government as happened under FDR. In that scenario the story goes like this:
1) Walk to the store with some of your gold coins and try to buy food.
2) The clerk freaks out when he sees gold coins instead of the federally-issued emergency ration coupons and presses the button under his cash register.
3) Blackwater goons attached to the store (to prevent rioting) grab you, throw a hood over your head and load you into a truck to be taken to a FEMA camp for some extreme sports activities like waterboarding.
Maybe you think you can escape the Mad Max world of Southern California and carry your gold coins off to someplace safer like Costa Rica or Australia? That scenario is quite entertaining as well:
1) Walk through a federal checkpoint X-Ray machine in an airport or at a border (could even be state or city borders if the SRHTF) on your way out of town.
2) Ding ding ding goes the metal detector.
3) The TSA gangstaz confiscate all of your gold coins which they then melt down to make new grillz for their teeth. Just for fun they take your shoes too.
Sorry I just ain’t buying it — now having a garden and some chickens and goats I can see. Having stores of food and water, I see that. Having a gun and some bullets and basically laying low for a while, I see that too. Walking down the street with gold doubloons in your pocket? Not so much but hey if you think it’ll work more power to you.
ParticipantI love the whole “we’ll use gold to buy necessities when the Mad Max scenario hits” idea. Let’s see how this works:
1) Walk to the store with some of your gold coins and buy food.
2) Your starving neighbors notice the one guy on the street carrying food back to his house and surmise that he must have some gold.
3) Your starving neighbors storm your house and steal all of your food and gold. You shoot a couple of them before they overrun and kill you.
There is also the alternate scenario in which private ownership of gold is again outlawed by the federal government as happened under FDR. In that scenario the story goes like this:
1) Walk to the store with some of your gold coins and try to buy food.
2) The clerk freaks out when he sees gold coins instead of the federally-issued emergency ration coupons and presses the button under his cash register.
3) Blackwater goons attached to the store (to prevent rioting) grab you, throw a hood over your head and load you into a truck to be taken to a FEMA camp for some extreme sports activities like waterboarding.
Maybe you think you can escape the Mad Max world of Southern California and carry your gold coins off to someplace safer like Costa Rica or Australia? That scenario is quite entertaining as well:
1) Walk through a federal checkpoint X-Ray machine in an airport or at a border (could even be state or city borders if the SRHTF) on your way out of town.
2) Ding ding ding goes the metal detector.
3) The TSA gangstaz confiscate all of your gold coins which they then melt down to make new grillz for their teeth. Just for fun they take your shoes too.
Sorry I just ain’t buying it — now having a garden and some chickens and goats I can see. Having stores of food and water, I see that. Having a gun and some bullets and basically laying low for a while, I see that too. Walking down the street with gold doubloons in your pocket? Not so much but hey if you think it’ll work more power to you.
ParticipantI love the whole “we’ll use gold to buy necessities when the Mad Max scenario hits” idea. Let’s see how this works:
1) Walk to the store with some of your gold coins and buy food.
2) Your starving neighbors notice the one guy on the street carrying food back to his house and surmise that he must have some gold.
3) Your starving neighbors storm your house and steal all of your food and gold. You shoot a couple of them before they overrun and kill you.
There is also the alternate scenario in which private ownership of gold is again outlawed by the federal government as happened under FDR. In that scenario the story goes like this:
1) Walk to the store with some of your gold coins and try to buy food.
2) The clerk freaks out when he sees gold coins instead of the federally-issued emergency ration coupons and presses the button under his cash register.
3) Blackwater goons attached to the store (to prevent rioting) grab you, throw a hood over your head and load you into a truck to be taken to a FEMA camp for some extreme sports activities like waterboarding.
Maybe you think you can escape the Mad Max world of Southern California and carry your gold coins off to someplace safer like Costa Rica or Australia? That scenario is quite entertaining as well:
1) Walk through a federal checkpoint X-Ray machine in an airport or at a border (could even be state or city borders if the SRHTF) on your way out of town.
2) Ding ding ding goes the metal detector.
3) The TSA gangstaz confiscate all of your gold coins which they then melt down to make new grillz for their teeth. Just for fun they take your shoes too.
Sorry I just ain’t buying it — now having a garden and some chickens and goats I can see. Having stores of food and water, I see that. Having a gun and some bullets and basically laying low for a while, I see that too. Walking down the street with gold doubloons in your pocket? Not so much but hey if you think it’ll work more power to you.
ParticipantI love the whole “we’ll use gold to buy necessities when the Mad Max scenario hits” idea. Let’s see how this works:
1) Walk to the store with some of your gold coins and buy food.
2) Your starving neighbors notice the one guy on the street carrying food back to his house and surmise that he must have some gold.
3) Your starving neighbors storm your house and steal all of your food and gold. You shoot a couple of them before they overrun and kill you.
There is also the alternate scenario in which private ownership of gold is again outlawed by the federal government as happened under FDR. In that scenario the story goes like this:
1) Walk to the store with some of your gold coins and try to buy food.
2) The clerk freaks out when he sees gold coins instead of the federally-issued emergency ration coupons and presses the button under his cash register.
3) Blackwater goons attached to the store (to prevent rioting) grab you, throw a hood over your head and load you into a truck to be taken to a FEMA camp for some extreme sports activities like waterboarding.
Maybe you think you can escape the Mad Max world of Southern California and carry your gold coins off to someplace safer like Costa Rica or Australia? That scenario is quite entertaining as well:
1) Walk through a federal checkpoint X-Ray machine in an airport or at a border (could even be state or city borders if the SRHTF) on your way out of town.
2) Ding ding ding goes the metal detector.
3) The TSA gangstaz confiscate all of your gold coins which they then melt down to make new grillz for their teeth. Just for fun they take your shoes too.
Sorry I just ain’t buying it — now having a garden and some chickens and goats I can see. Having stores of food and water, I see that. Having a gun and some bullets and basically laying low for a while, I see that too. Walking down the street with gold doubloons in your pocket? Not so much but hey if you think it’ll work more power to you.
ParticipantI think a return to that style of life is actually a good thing. Especially the making your own beer part.
Oh yeah, definitely. It’s nothing to be afraid of, that’s for sure.
I’m starting to suspect that a lot of this collapse fear you hear in the media is just the latest boogaboo to keep people running scared so that they are easily manipulated and fleeced. The War on Terra lasted for a little while and kept everyone good ‘n scared, then they tried to sell us Global Warming but that ain’t working so well since it is currently snowing in Dubai. There is also the old Peak Oil scenario, that one’s good too. Bottom line is, they trot this stuff out knowing that a bunch of geeks will read it on the internet and move their savings into gold or oil or euros or yen or whatever and then they make the market move the opposite way and run off with all the loot. I’m sure everyone here will tell me that I’m a fool and that the sky’s really falling and pretty soon Mad Max and the Humungous will be doing battle in an improvised Thunderdome in the Sports Arena but I’m not buying it. Is the economy crashing? Yep. Are we currently being ripped off? You betcha. Is the government inept, corrupt, and inefficient? No doubt. Are we all gonna die? Probably not.
Just my $0.02…
ParticipantI think a return to that style of life is actually a good thing. Especially the making your own beer part.
Oh yeah, definitely. It’s nothing to be afraid of, that’s for sure.
I’m starting to suspect that a lot of this collapse fear you hear in the media is just the latest boogaboo to keep people running scared so that they are easily manipulated and fleeced. The War on Terra lasted for a little while and kept everyone good ‘n scared, then they tried to sell us Global Warming but that ain’t working so well since it is currently snowing in Dubai. There is also the old Peak Oil scenario, that one’s good too. Bottom line is, they trot this stuff out knowing that a bunch of geeks will read it on the internet and move their savings into gold or oil or euros or yen or whatever and then they make the market move the opposite way and run off with all the loot. I’m sure everyone here will tell me that I’m a fool and that the sky’s really falling and pretty soon Mad Max and the Humungous will be doing battle in an improvised Thunderdome in the Sports Arena but I’m not buying it. Is the economy crashing? Yep. Are we currently being ripped off? You betcha. Is the government inept, corrupt, and inefficient? No doubt. Are we all gonna die? Probably not.
Just my $0.02…
ParticipantI think a return to that style of life is actually a good thing. Especially the making your own beer part.
Oh yeah, definitely. It’s nothing to be afraid of, that’s for sure.
I’m starting to suspect that a lot of this collapse fear you hear in the media is just the latest boogaboo to keep people running scared so that they are easily manipulated and fleeced. The War on Terra lasted for a little while and kept everyone good ‘n scared, then they tried to sell us Global Warming but that ain’t working so well since it is currently snowing in Dubai. There is also the old Peak Oil scenario, that one’s good too. Bottom line is, they trot this stuff out knowing that a bunch of geeks will read it on the internet and move their savings into gold or oil or euros or yen or whatever and then they make the market move the opposite way and run off with all the loot. I’m sure everyone here will tell me that I’m a fool and that the sky’s really falling and pretty soon Mad Max and the Humungous will be doing battle in an improvised Thunderdome in the Sports Arena but I’m not buying it. Is the economy crashing? Yep. Are we currently being ripped off? You betcha. Is the government inept, corrupt, and inefficient? No doubt. Are we all gonna die? Probably not.
Just my $0.02…
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