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ParticipantWhat hapeended to those people who moved to California in, say 1935 ?
I found this article that touches on that topic. Here’s an excerpt:
As World War II wore on, the state of the economy, both in California and across the nation, improved dramatically as the defense industry geared up to meet the needs of the war effort. Many of the migrants went off to fight in the war. Those who were left behind took advantage of the job opportunities that had become available in West Coast shipyards and defense plants. As a result of this more stable lifestyle, numerous Dust Bowl refugees put down new roots in California soil, where their descendants reside to this day.
I definitely recommend reading “The Grapes of Wrath” for a full understanding of the experience. Steinbeck spent a lot of time with migrant workers, and with this novel tried to tell their side of the story.
Another great novel that seems appropriate these days is “The Great Gatsby”. Whenever I see some 30-something real estate tycoon driving his Bentley I am always reminded of the Jay Gatsby character…
ParticipantHow Clintonesque.
Yes, it’s reminiscent of the Arkancide epidemic of the early 1990s.
ParticipantHow Clintonesque.
Yes, it’s reminiscent of the Arkancide epidemic of the early 1990s.
ParticipantHow Clintonesque.
Yes, it’s reminiscent of the Arkancide epidemic of the early 1990s.
ParticipantHow Clintonesque.
Yes, it’s reminiscent of the Arkancide epidemic of the early 1990s.
ParticipantHow Clintonesque.
Yes, it’s reminiscent of the Arkancide epidemic of the early 1990s.
ParticipantCONCHO: Are you familiar with the term “carnography”?
Hahaha actually I wasn’t. That’s pretty interesting that they’ve actually coined a word for this stuff. The film westerns are interesting to think about — even though they didn’t have torture scenes, what they almost always had is the good guy that knows right from wrong and does what he has to do, even if it might involve bending a law or two. I guess the whole Jack Bauer “24” thing ties into the same mythology — these darned bureaucrats just don’t understand! A man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do to keep this town safe!
Maybe this whole torture thing in the media is just a new twist on an old theme. Although Dirty Harry didn’t torture people, he was pretty nasty to the bad guy, and he didn’t bother himself with little details like due process or the courts. Of course in the movies, Eastwood’s judgement is always right, and when Charles Bronson goes off on the bad guys in one of his “Death Wish” movies, he never gets the wrong man. It’s too bad life isn’t always like the movies!
ParticipantCONCHO: Are you familiar with the term “carnography”?
Hahaha actually I wasn’t. That’s pretty interesting that they’ve actually coined a word for this stuff. The film westerns are interesting to think about — even though they didn’t have torture scenes, what they almost always had is the good guy that knows right from wrong and does what he has to do, even if it might involve bending a law or two. I guess the whole Jack Bauer “24” thing ties into the same mythology — these darned bureaucrats just don’t understand! A man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do to keep this town safe!
Maybe this whole torture thing in the media is just a new twist on an old theme. Although Dirty Harry didn’t torture people, he was pretty nasty to the bad guy, and he didn’t bother himself with little details like due process or the courts. Of course in the movies, Eastwood’s judgement is always right, and when Charles Bronson goes off on the bad guys in one of his “Death Wish” movies, he never gets the wrong man. It’s too bad life isn’t always like the movies!
ParticipantCONCHO: Are you familiar with the term “carnography”?
Hahaha actually I wasn’t. That’s pretty interesting that they’ve actually coined a word for this stuff. The film westerns are interesting to think about — even though they didn’t have torture scenes, what they almost always had is the good guy that knows right from wrong and does what he has to do, even if it might involve bending a law or two. I guess the whole Jack Bauer “24” thing ties into the same mythology — these darned bureaucrats just don’t understand! A man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do to keep this town safe!
Maybe this whole torture thing in the media is just a new twist on an old theme. Although Dirty Harry didn’t torture people, he was pretty nasty to the bad guy, and he didn’t bother himself with little details like due process or the courts. Of course in the movies, Eastwood’s judgement is always right, and when Charles Bronson goes off on the bad guys in one of his “Death Wish” movies, he never gets the wrong man. It’s too bad life isn’t always like the movies!
ParticipantCONCHO: Are you familiar with the term “carnography”?
Hahaha actually I wasn’t. That’s pretty interesting that they’ve actually coined a word for this stuff. The film westerns are interesting to think about — even though they didn’t have torture scenes, what they almost always had is the good guy that knows right from wrong and does what he has to do, even if it might involve bending a law or two. I guess the whole Jack Bauer “24” thing ties into the same mythology — these darned bureaucrats just don’t understand! A man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do to keep this town safe!
Maybe this whole torture thing in the media is just a new twist on an old theme. Although Dirty Harry didn’t torture people, he was pretty nasty to the bad guy, and he didn’t bother himself with little details like due process or the courts. Of course in the movies, Eastwood’s judgement is always right, and when Charles Bronson goes off on the bad guys in one of his “Death Wish” movies, he never gets the wrong man. It’s too bad life isn’t always like the movies!
ParticipantCONCHO: Are you familiar with the term “carnography”?
Hahaha actually I wasn’t. That’s pretty interesting that they’ve actually coined a word for this stuff. The film westerns are interesting to think about — even though they didn’t have torture scenes, what they almost always had is the good guy that knows right from wrong and does what he has to do, even if it might involve bending a law or two. I guess the whole Jack Bauer “24” thing ties into the same mythology — these darned bureaucrats just don’t understand! A man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do to keep this town safe!
Maybe this whole torture thing in the media is just a new twist on an old theme. Although Dirty Harry didn’t torture people, he was pretty nasty to the bad guy, and he didn’t bother himself with little details like due process or the courts. Of course in the movies, Eastwood’s judgement is always right, and when Charles Bronson goes off on the bad guys in one of his “Death Wish” movies, he never gets the wrong man. It’s too bad life isn’t always like the movies!
ParticipantNice straw man argument.
Actually it’s not a straw man argument. A straw man argument would be something akin to “You’re saying that we should be able to torture anyone anytime we like, but clearly if we do that then we’re completely evil!” A straw man involves taking someone’s position, distorting it, and then refuting it, which I did not do. Actually, I wasn’t even taking sides with my post.
I was merely pointing out that we really seem to enjoy discussing and thinking about torture based on how much TV and radio airtime is devoted to it, how many newspaper column inches are about it, how many blog posts are about it, and how many popular films have torture scenes. Even James Bond films have torture scenes now! It used to be that the villain would just set James up to snuff him on some elaborate device but now he must torture him first. On “24”, Jack Bauer is constantly having to torture people. Even on a great show like “Lost” we’ve got Sayid and his history as an Iraqi torturer.
And yes of course the “Saw” movies do well overseas, so people all around the world are just as sick as we are. Of course the movies themselves are actually made here. India has the biggest movie industry outside of the US (maybe even bigger), but their movies seem to be mostly love stories with lots of song and dance numbers and goofy moustachioed villains. Only the US, for some reason, seems to produce this disturbing torture pornography. What does this say about us?
ParticipantNice straw man argument.
Actually it’s not a straw man argument. A straw man argument would be something akin to “You’re saying that we should be able to torture anyone anytime we like, but clearly if we do that then we’re completely evil!” A straw man involves taking someone’s position, distorting it, and then refuting it, which I did not do. Actually, I wasn’t even taking sides with my post.
I was merely pointing out that we really seem to enjoy discussing and thinking about torture based on how much TV and radio airtime is devoted to it, how many newspaper column inches are about it, how many blog posts are about it, and how many popular films have torture scenes. Even James Bond films have torture scenes now! It used to be that the villain would just set James up to snuff him on some elaborate device but now he must torture him first. On “24”, Jack Bauer is constantly having to torture people. Even on a great show like “Lost” we’ve got Sayid and his history as an Iraqi torturer.
And yes of course the “Saw” movies do well overseas, so people all around the world are just as sick as we are. Of course the movies themselves are actually made here. India has the biggest movie industry outside of the US (maybe even bigger), but their movies seem to be mostly love stories with lots of song and dance numbers and goofy moustachioed villains. Only the US, for some reason, seems to produce this disturbing torture pornography. What does this say about us?
ParticipantNice straw man argument.
Actually it’s not a straw man argument. A straw man argument would be something akin to “You’re saying that we should be able to torture anyone anytime we like, but clearly if we do that then we’re completely evil!” A straw man involves taking someone’s position, distorting it, and then refuting it, which I did not do. Actually, I wasn’t even taking sides with my post.
I was merely pointing out that we really seem to enjoy discussing and thinking about torture based on how much TV and radio airtime is devoted to it, how many newspaper column inches are about it, how many blog posts are about it, and how many popular films have torture scenes. Even James Bond films have torture scenes now! It used to be that the villain would just set James up to snuff him on some elaborate device but now he must torture him first. On “24”, Jack Bauer is constantly having to torture people. Even on a great show like “Lost” we’ve got Sayid and his history as an Iraqi torturer.
And yes of course the “Saw” movies do well overseas, so people all around the world are just as sick as we are. Of course the movies themselves are actually made here. India has the biggest movie industry outside of the US (maybe even bigger), but their movies seem to be mostly love stories with lots of song and dance numbers and goofy moustachioed villains. Only the US, for some reason, seems to produce this disturbing torture pornography. What does this say about us?
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