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[quote=no_such_reality]In my personal experience, Trump’s on podium personality is pretty representative of the C-level in business when they drop their PR mask. Bigger companies have a modicum of veneer, but small business lacks even that.

While Fortune 500 C-level is predominantly white and male and individuals may have some racism, I think the issue is they are really more cliquish than racist. best case you get group think, worst case, you’ve got the equivalent of a drunken Frat if you’re lucky and a street gang if you’re not.

The problem isn’t race, the problem is they pick people like them, think like them, behave like them, do sh*t like them and tells stories like them.

It’s the same shitty bar, white, black, latino, asian, male or female.

That’s IMO, YMMV.[/quote]Good post, NSR. And I’d like to add that Donald Trump was raised in Jamaica (Queens), NY. One of the first “real jobs” his father gave him was “managing” his many multi-story, brick behemoth, low-income rent-controlled apt buildings in Queens and Brooklyn (this was prior to the “Section 8” progam). He had to deal with this crowd as well as late rent-payers and even evictions. Even though Trump grew up in privilege and was sent to a military boarding school for HS, he has had plenty of experience in his life successfully interacting with Joe and Suzy 6p and that’s why he understands them so well.

Even though his family had summer homes and weekend homes elsewhere, Trump was raised in the gritty city (Jamaica, NY), which was not exactly considered upper-class (or even upper MC in parts) at that time but was undoubtedly “convenient” for the family biz :=0

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[quote=paramount] . . . And I did not say white people – I said white males.

Sorry, but it’s reality.

‘Last Acceptable Form Of Discrimination’ Is Of White Men[/quote]I agree with these statements with some caveats. “white males should be changed to “nativist” males AND females (primarily white, black, Native American and mixtures of all of the above who were born in the US and whose parents were born in the US). “Nativist” could probably also include “Chicanos” who emigrated to the US before 1965 (at least two generations ago and very prevalent in TX, NM and CO). Many families today headed by a “Chicano” who emigrated to the US more than 50 years ago are mostly mixed with other nationalities of “Caucasian.”

The reason so many qualified people in the above groups are unemployed today is due to massive immigration from all over the world into the US since the mid-70’s and also the H1-b program. Were it not for Federal polices allowing all these groups to emigrate to the US en masse and even eventually become US citizens, the unemployment in the “nativist” sectors wouldn’t be double digit like it is in most US locales.

I’m not saying that all of the immigration allowed into the US was bad … I’m just saying that full employment for the “nativist sector” of the US population has dropped significantly in the past 20 years due to massive immigration into the country.

As such, I feel that the US didn’t need to approve most of the H1b workers they did to take coveted jobs because we already had enough qualified people to do these jobs who were born here and educated here. I agree that some medical specialties (physicians, ESP if educated in the US) ARE needed here because there haven’t been enough Americans majoring in these specialties in recent decades and the “good physician stock” in the US is aging rapidly. But that’s the extent of the H1b visas the US should be issuing, IMO. Other countries reserve their best jobs for their own natives and there is nothing wrong with that. It’s as it should be.

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[quote=zk][quote=livinincali][quote=zk]
I agree with you on this.

The problem is that they’ll need help. And who’s going to help them? I think the government should, but they won’t. The government would have to say, “your culture is fucked up.” And the government won’t say that.[/quote]

Only problem with saying that is you get labeled a racist. If Trump said something like that, the main stream media and people on this board would be saying, see that proves he’s a racist.[/quote]

Whether you’re viewed as a racist for espousing the idea that some minorities would benefit financially by adjusting their culture depends on 1)how you say it and 2)(more importantly) what your other views and your other statements and your other policies say about whether you’re racist or not.

If you have a history of being consistently (even if subtly, in code, or covertly) racist or against minorities, then you’ll come off as racist. If you’ve consistently been on the side of minorities, and have always tried to help them, then the people might see that you’re genuine, and that you truly want to help.[/quote]I find it laughable the statement that “your culture is fucked up,” only refers to “minorities” and also the idea that “some minorities would benefit financially by adjusting their culture.” Obviously, this idea came from persons who have lived a “sheltered life.”

I know this might be a stretch for a lot of folks, but could it possibly be that, in many regions of the country, “whites” and “white-appearing” people might benefit financially by “adjusting their culture?”

The “thug culture” as well as the “entitlement culture” in this country isn’t limited to just “minorities,” you know :=0

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[quote=AN][quote=bearishgurl]
The incident in your link happened at a gas station in KS, NOT at a Trump rally.[/quote]I’m not going to bother reading past this first sentence. You’re just going to deny and give a whole bunch of irrelevant words to defend your denial. So, whatever. I’m done w/ this “debate”. Enjoy your Kool-Aid.[/quote]You’re the one drinking the kool-aid, AN. You have no reason to be “scared” if Trump should get elected President. You’re letting yourself get sucked into the drama that the MSM is creating for the masses to “chew on” and pass around. Who knows? Maybe the “Grand Olde Party” is behind it all, somehow …. LOL.

Having seen a LOT of “down and dirty tricks” in my day, I wouldn’t be the least surprised if this were the case.

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Races in Wichita, KS (2013)
Wichita races chart

242,739– 62.8%White alone
63,684– 16.5%Hispanic
44,813– 11.6%Black alone
19,016– 4.9%Asian alone
13,955– 3.6%Two or more races
1,780– 0.5%American Indian alone
571– 0.1%Other race alone

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/city/Wichita-Kansas.html#ixzz4319hOYXt

http://www.city-data.com/city/Wichita-Kansas.html

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[quote=no_such_reality]
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article66147652.html

The police are using plenty of caution. Reviewing multiple videos, other witnesses in the parking lot.[/quote]There should be a thorough investigation on this incident. It sounds really crazy to me that a (young?) person riding into the gas station on a MC on a Saturday morning would shout, “Trump, Trump, Trump” and call the Hispanic kid “brown trash,” unprovoked. ESPecially if he himself was a KS native. Maybe someone got the license plate number of the MC.

Hasn’t the MC driver ever seen a Muslim or Hispanic kid before? Good L@rd. KS is very “integrated” and has been since I can remember and I’ve driven through it at least twice per year with my parent(s) from about 1960 to the mid-’70’s!

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[quote=AN]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-violence_us_56e6ca5fe4b065e2e3d66f79
Easy for you to say. No one is going to beat you up because of your skin color.[/quote]

The incident in your link happened at a gas station in KS, NOT at a Trump rally. Yeah, I know KS is a red state with a few backwoods rednecks in residence there. There is also a large Middle-Eastern population there, especially among business owners in the smaller cities and towns which would have turned into ghost towns by now without that group immigrating there in the past 15-20 years. I just stayed in a large motor lodge in KS in early November run by a Pakistani family and that hotel is one of many in KS run by Middle Eastern families. Both the husband and wife were very friendly and the husband even helped me unload my bags into my room (situated right in front of my car) when I reported to him that a 6’6″ “white” drunken, age 40ish male (it turned out he was a “regular” nuisance in town) was drinking out of a paper bag on the curb and started to walk towards me when I first opened my trunk. I only stay in motor lodges on the ground floor where I can park my car right outside my door or window so am used dealing to nonsensical stuff like this (especially in small towns). Overall, the room was huge, the hotel was well-maintained and the breakfast was nice and I would stay there again due to its reasonable price and helpful owners.

I am a bit troubled that the only “witness” to the purported “Trump comments” made by the attacker were the Muslim kid who saw his friend get attacked and tried to break up the fight. That kid’s statements that the attacker mentioned Trump as a reason they should “go home” was quoted in the article. Since he is presumably “Muslim,” how reliable is that comment if he may have been under the mistaken impression that he could be deported if Trump is elected? It’s very possible that BOTH of these kids actually grew up in KS and were there legally. I mean, KS is not exactly a “tourist trap” :=0

The young reporter “Amanda” spun the article to imply that it was somehow Trump’s fault that people are acting like this in public when Trump was nowhere to be found.

Yes, it’s too bad that some people who call themselves “Trump supporters” are so ignorant that they believe as if Trump is some sort of “deity” whom they will “worship” and who, if elected, will fix all their problems in life. Some of them no doubt seem to enjoy “quoting” Trump (out of context, of course) to anyone who will listen. Trump has an apparent “charisma” among his so-called “supporters” who reside in regions of the country which have experienced an unfortunate long-term economic downturn simply because that’s where the campaign trail is right now. It’s going to be interesting to see how Trump’s rallies in CA, WA and OR turn out.

There is a link in your KS article about a homeless man who was beat up by two Boston attackers who were nothing more than “white thugs,” IMO.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/08/19/homeless/iTagewS4bnvBKWxxPvFcAJ/story.html

“White thuggery” also seems to be a culture unto itself now. I’ve even seen it among adult women residing in well-known “blue states.” In one “blue state” I visited last year, I have never seen so many “white-appearing” (mostly very “chubby”) scantily-dressed and heavily-tattooed young women in my life all shopping in one store at one time, many with up to five young kids in tow! It was shocking to me. I couldn’t imagine in a million years presenting myself in public as they do when I was that age … or ANY age, for that matter!

I think various “American subcultures” (of dress, action and thought) all existed long before Trump came onto the scene. The MSM is now giving Trump wa-a–a-y too much credit for sh!t happening which he has absolutely no control over :=0

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[quote=AN][quote=bearishgurl][quote=AN][quote=flu]To be fair, I don’t this sort of racism was any more or less than before Trump. Its probably always existed. Its just now people probably think it is acceptable behavior.[/quote]I don’t think Trump is making America more racist. But I do think he make those closet racist to think it’s OK to say it out loud and “make America great again”.[/quote]If this is actually, true, why should any of us be bothered by the utterance of a “racist” idiot? Is this person actually your boss, your pastor or your landlord? Just let it roll off your back.[/quote]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-violence_us_56e6ca5fe4b065e2e3d66f79
Easy for you to say. No one is going to beat you up because of your skin color.[/quote]How do YOU know what color, race, Nationality (or combination thereof) I am? I’ve done a bit of public speaking in my life and have gotten unwarranted criticism and other personal “low blows” directed my way. I let it roll off my back. If you don’t want to let it roll off your back, you have my permission to tell anyone making “racist comments” directed at you to, “Go to h@ll” :=0

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[quote=AN][quote=bearishgurl][quote=AN][quote=bearishgurl]Has Trump actually stated anywhere that he intends to have US Homeland Security make a “clean sweep” to deport any groups already in the country illegally? Maybe I’ve been in living in a dark closet (and only had 4-5 TV channels left, as of Sunday)[/quote]
LoL, yes, you’re living in a dark closet. Now it all make sense why you’re saying the stuff you’re saying.[/quote]

Do you have any links to videos of Trump saying these things?[/quote]That is his platform. Try and use “the Google”.[/quote]I’ve already used “the google” on Donald Trump, as well as all the other presidential candidates. But I’ve never found any videos where he has stated that he plans to have groups of people already in the country illegally actually deported if he becomes president. I think you might be using “MSM spin” of his rally statements by a third party to come to your conclusions, AN.

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[quote=AN][quote=bearishgurl]Has Trump actually stated anywhere that he intends to have US Homeland Security make a “clean sweep” to deport any groups already in the country illegally? Maybe I’ve been in living in a dark closet (and only had 4-5 TV channels left, as of Sunday)[/quote]
LoL, yes, you’re living in a dark closet. Now it all make sense why you’re saying the stuff you’re saying.[/quote]

Do you have any links to videos of Trump saying these things?

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[quote=AN][quote=flu]To be fair, I don’t this sort of racism was any more or less than before Trump. Its probably always existed. Its just now people probably think it is acceptable behavior.[/quote]I don’t think Trump is making America more racist. But I do think he make those closet racist to think it’s OK to say it out loud and “make America great again”.[/quote]If this is actually, true, why should any of us be bothered by the utterance of a “racist” idiot? Is this person actually your boss, your pastor or your landlord? Just let it roll off your back.

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[quote=AN][quote=bearishgurl]Uhh, AN, if you’re referring to me as a “Trump supporter,” you should be aware that I haven’t made up my mind yet but am leaning towards …[/quote]
You should reread what I posted. I said you and the many Trump supporter. I didn’t say you are a Trump supporter. You, like many Trump supporters think these racism $hit are made up. You just don’t understand.[/quote]I DO think some of Trump’s comments regarding new Muslims trying to enter the US and building a wall to prevent new illegal border crossers to enter the country has been overblown (almost entirely by the MSM quoting young, college student protesters who added in a few more “races” and “nationalities” to the two groups Trump has discussed in his rallies).

Has Trump actually stated anywhere that he intends to have US Homeland Security make a “clean sweep” to deport any groups already in the country illegally? Maybe I’ve been in living in a dark closet (and only had 4-5 TV channels left, as of Sunday) but I don’t recall that he has ever said that. How did discrimination against Asian nationalities come into the discussion? If elementary school kids are truly actually now asking each other if they should be deported (as flu asserts here), how did that discussion come about? How does a third-grader know what “deported” means? Where are these kids getting their information from? Certainly not from their teachers but very possibly from misinformed parents and other adult relatives who are trash-talking to each other what they heard at work or on facebook, etc, and can’t think critically for themselves.

Yeah, a lot of the Trump campaign rhetoric is specifically about TWO groups (one of which has proven dangerous to the US if not vetted thoroughly before being granted a visa and one which has cost this country a bundle in every way, shape and form). These TWO groups Trump has been discussing have apparently now been expanded and exaggerated by young, ignorant college-student protesters and the MSM “quoting them” to include everyone present in this country who does not appear to be “white.”

It’s all a crock of BS and lots of “tuned in” people to the MSM and social media seem to be falling for it. I’m glad I don’t participate in social media and my TV service is on its way out :=0

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[quote=AN][quote=outtamojo]A little anecdote, close to home for me, coming soon to some of us here:

So my sister-in-law on the East coast goes in to the local doc in a box urgent care. New patient so no medical history so you get interviewed. She disclosed she was a stay at home mom, took care of kids and elderly parents- taking them places and translating for them. (they are Korean). During her exam, male doctor starts talking about Trump and then ranting about immigrants out of the blue and then tells sil her parents should go back to Korea if they can’t speak English.
Did he always speak to his patients like that, or did he become emboldened by the prospect of institutionalized covert racism coming back in favor?
If he had just taken the time to learn about her parents, he would discover how they legally came to the country with nothing and built a mini empire of laundromats and liquor stores. They do speak some English, heavily accented, but they do the best they can. Are they not the embodiment of what was the American dream? And yet the emboldened racist can only see them as foreigners who don’t belong.
Yah, sure, Trump had nothing to do with this and was nowhere near the building so how why was this his fault..[/quote]
+1

This is exactly the $hit I’m afraid of that BG and the many Trump supporter fail to see. Just look at what happened to the Japanese not too long ago.[/quote]

Uhh, AN, if you’re referring to me as a “Trump supporter,” you should be aware that I haven’t made up my mind yet but am leaning towards Cruz (a long shot, I know). I don’t know how many times I have to post this to get it through your thick head(s) but I WANT TO SEE THE ACA REPEALED ASAP!! I think Cruz could get the immediate support for that in Congress. It’s much more important to me than having a “wall.” I’m not seeing anything concrete in Trump’s agenda on how he plans to repeal the ACA (either piecemeal or in its entirety) and I don’t think he’ll be able to get the support of the “establishment” to do so (unless possibly he puts Ben Carson in charge of H&HS).

Also, Trump is leaning towards “universal healthcare” and I feel that may happen if he gets elected and isn’t able to successfully convince Big Insurance to sell portable health insurance policies nationwide (after the Federal and state exchanges are gutted, of course). There are many parts of the US that Big Insurance doesn’t want to have anything to do with unless they are “enterprise” accounts (large employer accounts spreading the risk between younger, healthier workers and the few boomers left in the workforce). Yes, this practice is considered “redlining,” for sure, but there are BIG, spread out “diabetes and heart disease pockets” of this country which shouldn’t be there because most of these diseases are entirely preventable. Big Insurance won’t touch these individual markets with a ten-foot pole if they can legally get away with it. The regional Native American tribes in these markets are trying mightily to educate their members and get their diabetes and other related health issues under control at their tribal-run hospitals and clinics but it is a long, tedious process with a group which is mostly very stuck in their ways.

Also, Big Insurance charges a fortune ($1300 mo++ at age 55) for “ACA-compliant” individual PPO plans for boomers in the Rockies within the states of WY and CO, both on and off the exchanges. This is due to regional hospitals being located 25-100 miles away from many “retirement towns” and often over high, narrow, dangerous passes for ambulances to traverse. Emergency search and rescue personnel are located in almost all the small towns (with or without doctors present in them) but they bill insurance companies for their services as well. Select popular retirement towns have at least one (often necessary) hyperbaric chamber, which bills insurance plans up to $1000 per hour for a patient to sit in them. Often, the nearest “trauma center” is more than 350 miles away (assuming a “life flight” helicopter can get there before the patient dies, wind and weather permitting).

I would love to consider the (rural) rockies or living close to some of my peeps in bible-belt flyover country for “retirement purposes” but (unaffordable and/or nonexistent) health insurance is one of the issues which is keeping me exactly where I am … for now.

I don’t want “universal healthcare” but for me it is probably a better option than the horrifically unfair and corrupt mess we have now (which I predict will go up $200-300 month every year until I reach the age of 65), regardless of where I live.

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[quote=njtosd]BG – I’ve asked you this before (and you should know it from legal writing …). You should never purport to quote someone unless your quote is identical in every way to what was originally said. If you change anything (like adding italics) you must make it clear that emphasis was added by you. I did not find the portion that you italicized to be more important than other parts of what I wrote. The importance was added by you.[/quote]I italicized that portion of your latest post because that was the portion I was responding to … specifically, the duties of a paralegal. They’re not exactly the same in every field of law. I have seen ads for IP paralegals and the job duties described are nothing that I am familiar with.

I should have just quoted that section only of your post and not the entirely of your post. Sorry for any confusion.

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[quote=no_such_reality]Bunk, I too worked in Detroit once removed from auto. Go and Chrysler died because executive management took theceasybpath and short term profits and gains for themselves instead of making necessary structural changes.

Sure the unions were tone deaf, management was short sighted.[/quote]

Regardless, the outcome turned out to be the same as we’re seeing today, NSR. In your example, mgmt plundered the organization and then ran off with the proceeds, leaving their longtime assembly lines grossly underfunded and their loyal workforce in a lurch. In recent years, mgmt decided to move their factories to a country where the customary wages are 1/10th or less than they are in the US, leaving their longtime workers jobless in a region with no other type of industry for many miles around.

In both cases, the longtime union-member employees paid the ultimate price.

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