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Participant[quote=AN][quote=The-Shoveler][quote=mixxalot]I know a guy who commutes daily from Dana Point to San Diego for work! Now that is pure insanity![/quote]
I imagine this is the same type of thing that happens to almost everyone in L.A. (although in this case a little more extreme maybe).
You starting out buying a home 15 minutes from work, then you get laid off and your next gig is 40-60 miles away.
I could see someone who got laid off from QCOM getting a Job in Irvine etc…
To top it off our spouse still works Local LOL. (I have seen it happen many times).[/quote]This is why LA is a big giant clusterf*ck and I wouldn’t want to live there. People like BG is trying to make SD into the next LA. But I’m glad SD’s city leader actually have good urban planner in place. Which is why most of the jobs are in UTC/Sorrento Valley area. With a smaller subset in Carlsbad, Rancho Bernardo, Downtown. It’s much easier to build public transit when you only have a handful of places people need to go to during working days. I get exciting seeing new high rises popping up in UTC/Sorrento Valley area.[/quote]How am I trying to make SD into the next LA? It can never be LA. Save for some of its crowded beach areas (ex: Santa Monica, Venice), LA County was planned a helluva lot better than SD County was. That massive tangle of freeways in LA County which frustrate you the most are used by SIX COUNTIES of semi-local worker bees every weekday! I-10 in Vernon (~5-8 mi east of dtn LA) is also the END of a MAJOR coast-to-coast long-haul trucking route (busiest in the nation), further clogging the interstate east of LA. LA County’s freeway congestion is not entirely (or even half) the fault of its own residents or leadership!
We don’t have that big of a problem here in SD as we only have ONE COUNTY here with a few scattered work centers and a few (150-200K?) commuters into/out of SD County every day from southern RIV Co and southern OC. Even so, SD County’s freeways can still be congested because it is grossly OVERBUILT and so is southern RIV County (with few to zero “job centers” forcing nearly ALL of its worker-bee residents to commute out-of county to their jobs). That is NOT the case with LA county and Ventura County, and, to a lesser extent, Orange County. Those three counties are, for the most part, self contained, have ample jobs for their residents and NOT overbuilt. Not only were these counties “out of room” long before SD County was, their wiser leadership did not permit subdivisions on every single strip of land which “appeared” buildable as SD County and its cities did. Our neighboring counties to the north preserved their open space … as they should have. Ventura County appears to (stupidly) still be issuing subdivision permits in Porter Ranch but that is grossly inferior land. Its soil is toxic, the (permanent) damage from its former uses was never properly mitigated and it should have never been allowed to be built on. It’s an environmental disaster!
https://www.laprogressive.com/the-porter-ranch-gas-leak/
When residential developers have to resort to building on toxic waste sites in SoCal, it is wa-a-a-y past time for them to pack up and leave the state.
ParticipantTemecula is in Riverside County and is an exurb of Riverside, the county seat. It is 40+ miles from major job centers in Riverside (its own county), 40-60 miles from SD County job centers, 35-55 miles from Orange County job centers, 40-65 miles from LA County job centers and 50+ miles to San Bernardino County (not sure if any major “job centers” exist in SanBern Co).
It would be considered beyond an outer ring exurb as FIH described Houston, TX today on the “Code Compliance” thread. Hence, it’s lower prices for housing (offset by MR, of course). I’m not saying that Temecula has an inferior lifestyle. I’m just saying that you pay for what you get in this life. For worker bees who need to make living wages, it can be a huge sacrifice of time, gas and vehicle wear and tear to live in that region of the IE and thus it is not for everyone because time with your family is something you can never get back.
Participant[quote=AN]Is Fresno urban/suburb/or exurb? How about Clovis, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Bakersfield? This is why I ask her what is her location parameter to make a city an urban/suburb/exurb. Because it’s not clear what they are.[/quote]Fresno is a city and county in its own right. Clovis is one of its “suburbs.” Santa Barbara is a city and county in its own right. Even though they are both in the same county, Santa Maria is NOT an exurb of Santa Barbara because there is too much open space between the two cities. It is a city in its own right. Compare San Diego to Julian (there really isn’t a comparison in SD County because the topography is so different and Julian is so small.) Perhaps SD to Valley Center. Bakersfield is a city in its own right and the county seat of Kern County. It stands alone.
Participant[quote=The-Shoveler][quote=AN][quote=bearishgurl]shoveler, “exurban” has nothing to do with size and everything to do with location.[/quote]What characteristic of a particular location would make a city an exurban vs urban?[/quote]
If your working in Carlsbad is it still an exurb?[/quote]Yes.
[quote=The-Shoveler] when an exurb starts having it’s own suburbs is it still a exurb?[/quote]Yes. The surrounding cities are also exurbs. They are not suburbs of the older exurb.
Participant[quote=njtosd]I don’t generally like HOAs, but this makes the one at Meadowview look interesting – and I love the “sheep thrills” pun in the article.
http://www.pe.com/articles/sheep-696568-meadow-peterson.html
[/quote]IIRC, SD used goats to clear the hills behind Scripps Ranch about a year after the Cedar fires.
Participant[img_assist|nid=25788|title=Norco (CA) Reception Center??|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=51]
Yikes! The pic in my most recent link looks as though it might just be taken in our infamous SoCal Big House near scaredy’s neck of the woods, lol ….scaredy, will they let y’all in for a visit … with your interpreter in tow, of course!
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi] . . . BG, you can live among the redwoods, pine trees or whatever in your retirement. Me, I’m going to live in a city apartment where I can walk to bistros and cafes, and bump into interesting people everyday.
May we both live happily a long time.[/quote]FIH, the “retirement locales” I’ve been considering among the “redwoods and pine trees” also have “bistros and cafes” to walk to and “interesting people” to “bump into” (both residents and tourists).
They’re just in a more “bucolic” setting than a concrete jungle.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=scaredyclassic]
Not for sure. Imagine a pool of immigrants that exclusively commit crime to survive. That would be a drain, right.[/quote]
That’s not the reality; and it is were it would be our common failure to provide opportunities making it so that people have to resort to crime. Human resources when not well managed become a drain.
I’m not dismissing individual responsibility, but the individual doesn’t exist independent of he whole.[/quote]I think we need to ask scaredy if it is the “reality” …. or not. He’s the “expert” here :=0
Participant[quote=flyer]Although I don’t care to live in a dense concrete jungle–and don’t have to–I’ll always be glad to see a constant inflow of real estate buyers and renters.
Unfortunately, many who were raised here may be shut out because of this competition for limited resources in a state like CA, and may consider it unfair, but for those who own properties, values should stay up and increase in the near term.
Imo, the real concern with property values in places like CA, may come when current and new worker bees try to retire and realize they can’t afford to stay here. Hopefully there will be always more to replace them in the pipeline, as well as the continuing inflow of foreign funds.[/quote]flyer, I agree that it will primarily be the higher-paid “worker bees” and foreign funds that keep the residential RE values in CA coastal counties “propped up” into perpetuity although there is no guarantee of runaway double-digit appreciation going forward nor should there be. I don’t think mortgage interest rates will matter that much … especially in the most exclusive, established coastal areas.
I don’t agree that most homeowners either soon to retire or already retired can’t stay in their long-owned coastal CA home for the rest of their lives. I believe the vast majority of them can and will. Quoting Pigg shoveler, they are “forever priced into” the area they purchased in long ago and nothing else nationwide is really cheaper for them once property taxes and homeowner’s insurance are factored into the equation (Props 13, 58 and 193 and the fact that the CA coast isn’t subject to tornadoes, hurricanes and ice storms, etc). Many “cheaper” retirement locales in the US have exorbitant homeowner insurance premiums and also require homeowners to have (expensive) “riders” for flood and wind damage.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, you don’t get it because your bias is in protecting a certain lifestyle. The people who get are the ones who build or buy. You are not the one creating value. If your neighborhood goes up in value, it’s because of buyers. You didn’t lift a finger, and you didn’t buy for investment/appreciation.
As for the “millions is yous” when you die or your kids move away, there will be new people. Demographics is the data you want to examine. BtW, I know people who moved away beginning in the 90s because “Latinos/immigrants were ruining the state, blah blah …” Guess what? The new people are here and the old people are gone. And the new people are the ones who possess the hard work and initiative to make it work.[/quote]FIH, I DID “lift a finger” to “create my own value” if I decide to sell because I have made and will continue to make substantial improvements to my property … some of it DIY.
My kids are already gone and won’t be coming back to SD. If something should happen to me, they’ll sell my residence and split the proceeds. SD is NOT the be-all and end-all of CA for a younger worker-bee. It is highly overrated for what typical jobs pay here in comparison to other regions of the state. I’m open-minded when it comes to CA as I attended school in my elem years in Alameda County and have traveled all over the state dozens of times (except for the NE corner north of Redding (“Yreka”). That area (and being a passenger, NOT driver on the Rubicon Trail, lol) are both on my list of CA places to explore 🙂
I’m getting “older” now and am still here (along with most of my neighbors who are mostly older than me). My area is FULL of native San Diegans and native Chula Vistans who are 55 and up. And it is just one of hundreds of cities in CA which still have a very high “native” population. Many of the SD “natives” I’ve known who moved away (out of state) in recent decades later regretted the move and could not easily move back here on a fixed income and/or if they lost too much money buying and selling RE in the state they moved to.
brian, if you’re waiting until all the NIMBYs in coastal CA counties “die off” to return and “make your mark” here, you’re going to be waiting a lo-o-o-o-ng time :=0
Participantshoveler, “exurban” has nothing to do with size and everything to do with location.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]. . . And driving 1/2 way across the country to see your peeps is not enough . . . [/quote]FIH, on a typical road trip, I cover 7-10 states. I see both my “peeps” and old friends and mostly stay in their homes (except the nights immediately before/after I enter/leave SD). It isn’t just one route I take, although I-40 (Route 66) is the road I use most often. I’ve probably stayed in lodging every town with a 15K+ population along Route 66 from Barstow to Ft Smith, AR at one time or another (some towns multiple times). I would like to explore I-40/Route 66 further east/NE and will do the next few years.
Road trips are the best education a resident of the US can have and can be done relatively frugally. You should try it sometime, FIH. You might learn a few things 🙂
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, you’re nativist and want to protect a lifestyle as you’ve known it. Try as you may. . . .[/quote]FIH, there are millions of “mes” in CA. I realize you are in NV but if you ever return to CA with your “all-inclusive vision” you can “fight it if you may.” And Good Luck cuz you’re going to need it!
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi] . . . You’re so out of touch. If you only drive 5000 per year in SD, you cannot possible know the lay of the land. . . .[/quote]
I absolutely DO know the “lay of the land” in SD. I lived in SD for about 10 years (of which I belonged to a local running club the entire time) and worked (FT) in SD for >30 years and also worked as a residential RE salesperson in SD as well as worked for SD RE attorneys. I currently reside just 5-6 miles from the SD line and have resided in SD County for nearly 40 years. I know metro SD very, very well, especially south of I-8. I don’t drive much anymore cuz I’m “semi-retired” and don’t need to. But I understand everything about SD, its geography, its topography, its zoning, its politics … you name it. I also have a photographic memory of several SD communities as well as certain streets in those communities. Just because there might be something “newish” built on a particular street corner today in metro SD doesn’t mean it isn’t familiar to me or that I don’t remember what used to be there.
Trust me …. I get it.
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