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[quote=flu] . . . But I really have to thank Trump for bringing out all of this closet/bottled feelings. Because obviously, now that the potentially highest leader in the nation says it’s ok to think this way, I finally get to see how a lot of people really are in the real world, long enough to make mental notes, and stay the fvck away and have nothing to do with any of these people in the real world.

Because, obviously the mexicans are stealing all your entitlement benefits and low paying jobs. All the asians and indians are stealing your spots in the best universities and high paid jobs. And well, shit, since it is completely logial for someone to be cross shopping low skill/day laborer jobs and high tech jobs at the same time on dice.com, so damn those mexicans and asians and indians for stealing my bottom of the tier and top of the tier jobs.

Because obviously it’s them, my personal life choices and personal decisions I made throughout my life had absolutely nothing to do with why I can’t get ahead (end sarcasm)

Goodbye “Hope And Change” Obama….

Hello, “Hope and Blame” Trump…..

‘Umerica[/quote]flu, if you’ll look back thru old threads, we’ve discussed this issue ad nauseaum. You’ve discussed it probably more than anyone else, even stating that you will consider changing your kid’s last name on their college apps to see if that gets her an advantage in admissions. (Honestly, I don’t see how, due to “affirmative action” not being used anymore by admission boards.)

I think I just posted a long diatribe the other day about why I switched to R so I could vote R in the primaries (at the time I registered, my preferred candidate, Cruz, was still in the running). As I recall, the jist of the whole long, sordid post was that I was sick to death of people playing the “victim” card and claiming that all of their problems today are due to the big bad “system” instead of their own stupidity and mishandling of their own finances, health, kids, families … everything.

I believe in personal responsibility but realize that a lot of people today would rather have a handout instead of a leg up. I’d like to have hope that Trump (who is now left in the race) is going to make changes that improve Americans’ lives downstream but realize that he (or any president, for that matter) is going to need a village of competent people (who actually know what they are doing) to make that happen.

As a practically lifelong Dem, I’m not averse to changing my affiliation back to D … or Independent this summer, depending on how the primaries turn out.

Now, this post sounds like you’re apathetic, flu. Do you plan to vote in the general election??

[bearishgurl]

[quote=flu]1. There are too many blacks in the NBA
2. There are too many jews that work on Wall Street and/or are doctors.
3. There are too many indians that work in tech
4. There are too many latinos working in healthcare.

Seems to be along the same line of reasoning….[/quote]There you go, playing the “race card,” again. You DO know the difference between residents and non-residents, right? Don’t you want your kid to be able to get into a UC when the time comes? How would you like to find out that she can’t get admitted with her 4.22 GPA, 1680 SAT score (sans the essay) and IB Diploma all because the Regents decided to let in 300,000 or even 500,000 out-of-state and/or foreign students ….. for the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, of course.

That’s where this was all headed …. until the audit.

We’ll see if any “reforms” actually come of it.

You should be concerned as well. It’s truly a jungle out there for the CA HS senior and I am so, so glad my youngest is on track to graduate in two years.

Disclaimer: My own kids did not apply to UC, only CSU.

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[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, why do you focus on Chinese student? Out of state, meaning out of California students pay full tuition at UC. Same concept for the rest of the Union.[/quote]Mostly Asians are representing foreign public university students in CA BUT my beef applies to out of state of all races as well. It really isn’t a “race issue.” It’s a “resident issue.” These groups SHOULD be held to higher admission standards than in-state students and they used to be but their admission criteria was apparently “dumbed down” around 2008 in order for the UC to get their money.

Read the articles and the report.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=AN] . . . I find it ironic that someone who prides herself on who well she did on one ACT test yet never bothered to finish college would be talking smack about immigrants that have finished college and frankly have done better to further themselves.

Excuse after excuse. I’ve heard that before. I’ve cold hve done better, I’ve could have done this.

Well, the point is, you didn’t. End of discussion.[/quote]flu asked, but our discussion really has nothing to do with me. I never said, shoulda, woulda, coulda … I have no regrets.

The reality is that back in “my day,” the only people that went to college out of HS were those who could afford it. And that was +/- 15% of HS graduates. The only reason a higher percentage of HS graduates attend college now is because more financial aid as well as student loans are available to them.

I don’t begrudge the “middle eastern males” who were the bulk of foreign students back then. I wasn’t an engineering student and their presence wasn’t affecting my ability to get an education. They paid the OOS tuition and that’s just who it happened to be at the time.

I’m not bragging about my ACT results. Flu asked about it so I answered. That 31 ACT score and my good looks won’t even buy me a cup of black coffee today. And it wasn’t worth anything to me then since I was unable to use it.

You seem to have some kind of a chip on your shoulder, AN, and you shouldn’t, because you’re an American.

Yes, I will admit that I would like to see more CA HS graduates get admitted to a public in-state university … preferably as close to “home” as possible so they won’t have to pay for room and board. I think its really depressing how many CA HS grads are actually admitted to UC/CSU, even after applying to 4+ campuses. It’s not fair that possibly ~108,500 slots are “given away” to OOS/OOC applicants when our own kids can’t even transfer out of CC as a junior with a ~3.6 GPA. It’s wrong and immoral and I don’t know of any other state which does this at the expense of their own natives and residents. You’ve got young kids who will someday want to apply to UC/CSU so you should be concerned about this issue, as well.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=AN][quote=bearishgurl][quote=AN][quote=bearishgurl]I vote that CA re-institute the writing portion on the SAT, ACT and TOEFL and apply the applicant’s essay/writing score to their composite score.

This is how it was done when I took the ACT … way back in the day.

This would most certainly weed out thousands of Chinese applicants, who would fail this portion miserably, causing their composite scores to plummet.

Too bad … so sad.[/quote]
LoL, in your dreams.[/quote]

So, AN, are you saying here that you don’t think the essay portion of the SAT/ACT will ever be brought back into consideration for admission into the UC/CSU?[/quote]I’m saying that Asian dominated the UC admittance as soon as they remove Affirmative Action, even with essay. If they bring back essay, Asian will still dominate the admittance %. You don’t have to look any further than at the HS level. Which group score the highest in standardize testing, have the highest GPA, etc.[/quote]Yeah, IIRC, the essay was removed in the early 2000’s?

You’re speaking of Asian Americans … who went to HS in the US and I’m talking about Chinese students who get student visas to attend university in the US. They still have to be admitted on the basis of their SAT/ACT score and even possibly TOEFL score.

[bearishgurl]

Umm, Napolitano resigned as Secretary of the Dept of Homeland Security under Pres. Obama in 2013, after 4 years service …. only to immediately take the post of President of the UC!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Napolitano

She has quite the colorful and rather “distinguished” background.

She voluntarily? leaves one top job which focused on keeping foreigners OUT of the country only to migrate over to Cali and take UC’s top job making sure the seats at its most coveted campuses are regularly filled up with …. drumroll … foreign students. Go figure.

The Regents must have hired her “skill-sets” for the sole purpose of bringing in more OOS tuition $$$ as they had already been gearing up their admissions of far more foreign student-applicants by the time of her hire.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=AN][quote=bearishgurl]I vote that CA re-institute the writing portion on the SAT, ACT and TOEFL and apply the applicant’s essay/writing score to their composite score.

This is how it was done when I took the ACT … way back in the day.

This would most certainly weed out thousands of Chinese applicants, who would fail this portion miserably, causing their composite scores to plummet.

Too bad … so sad.[/quote]
LoL, in your dreams.[/quote]

So, AN, are you saying here that you don’t think the essay portion of the SAT/ACT will ever be brought back into consideration for admission into the UC/CSU?

[bearishgurl]

[quote=no_such_reality]Isn’t this a side effect of our primary education system being geared towards everyone goes to college?

Cali has 500,000 kids per grade. At 60% college attempt rate, the UC and CS systems need 1.5 million seats to accommodate.

They currently have enrollment around 700,0000[/quote]

Well, if the same percentage holds true for the CSU, that means that roughly 15.5% of 700,000 public university seats in the state (108,500) are going to out-of-state and out-of-country students each and every year with incoming OOS/OOC applicants replacing those who graduated. (I suspect this percentage varies wildly by campus as I can’t imagine OOC and OOS applicants are clamoring to get accepted into campuses located in CA’s “armpits,” (ex: Bakersfield, Fresno, Merced and Chico).)

The story below is ridiculous. By all accounts, this applicant should have gotten accepted into the UC … yes, even to the “flagships.” Perhaps she was only offered Merced for being in the top 9% of her class and so elected to take the 4-year full-ride scholarship offered to her on the east coast … and I don’t blame her. She’s apparently “good enough for full ride at an Ivy” … but not given the time of day at UC in her home state!

UC schools harm local students by admitting so many from out of state, audit finds

As a student at South Pasadena High School, Katherine Uriarte aced six Advanced Placement classes, got top scores on her ACT, served in student government and nailed a summer internship at Caltech.

It wasn’t enough to get into UCLA or UC Berkeley.

The daughter of a Mexican immigrant, Uriarte still realized her dream of becoming the first in her family to go to college. She is now a freshman at Columbia University in New York City with a full-ride scholarship from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. But she said she felt Californians like herself were losing out to a growing tide of students from other states and countries who want to go to UC schools.

“I think they should prioritize California students,” she said.

A new state audit agrees ….

UC officials insist that nonresident students don’t displace Californians. Instead, they say, the nearly $25,000 in additional tuition that nonresidents pay each year has allowed UC to enroll thousands more California students than the system could otherwise afford. Tuition and fees for out-of-state students totaled $38,108 this academic year, compared with $13,400 for in-state students.

Without the extra money from out-of-state students, Californians could have faced an additional $2,500 in tuition — a roughly 20% boost, Napolitano said.

Tuition and fees have doubled since the 2008 recession, but have remained flat — except for one fee increase — for the last five years as part of an agreement between Napolitano and Gov. Jerry Brown that sent more than $3 billion in new dollars to the UC system.

In a separate deal, UC agreed to admit 5,000 additional California students for the fall 2016 term in exchange for $25 million more and a continued lid on tuition increases.

“Providing adequate state funding is the best way to increase the number of California students enrolled at UC,” said a special report on admissions and finances released Tuesday by university officials in anticipation of the audit…

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-uc-audit-admissions-20160328-story.html

Essentially, the UC is claiming that they need more state funding to admit in-state residents and the presence of OOS/OOC students actually make it possible for them to admit more in-state residents. It seems here as if our native Cali kids are considered “charity cases” or “less than optimal picks for admission” by the Regents due to our much lower tuition fees than OOS students pay (all students pay the same campus fees and UC/CSU fees).

By the Numbers Audit accuses University of California of favoring out-of-state students

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A scathing new state audit accuses the University of California of hurting in-state students by increasingly admitting applicants from outside the Golden State. The proportion of out-of-state students has grown from about 5% of the student body in 2008 to 15.5% today.

More in-state applicants

Despite an increase in applications from in-state students, the University of California’s resident undergraduate enrollment has remained flat.

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Out-of-state-undergrads on the rise

The number of out-of-state undergraduates has more than tripled since 2008. UC officials said they increased nonresident students, who pay an extra $25,000 in tuition per year, to allow them to accept more Californians in the face of massive budget cuts imposed after the 2008 recession.

Here’s the actual report of the audit:

http://documents.latimes.com/report-uc-admissions-and-financial-decisions-have-disadvantaged-students-california/

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[quote=flu][quote=bearishgurl]I vote that CA re-institute the writing portion on the SAT, ACT and TOEFL and apply the applicant’s essay/writing score to their composite score.

This is how it was done when I took the ACT … way back in the day.

This would most certainly weed out thousands of Chinese applicants, who would fail this portion miserably, causing their composite scores to plummet.

Too bad … so sad.[/quote]

So you took the ACT back then for college and you think you did better than most foreigners. So how did college work out for you BG?[/quote]Yeah, I took it … and scored a 31. I was admitted to CU – Boulder as well as Cal. But I didn’t end up attending university as it turned out to be too expensive for me and I had no one to help. It turned out my parent made $940 too much in my junior year of HS (their latest tax return) for me to qualify for a “BEOG grant” (nka “Pell Grant”) as a freshman (which was only worth ~$2K year anyway, and would not have been enough to help with room/board). Student loans did not exist at that time as they do today.

I elected to work FT right out of HS and go to state college in the city where I lived and worked. I ended up never graduating from CC after attending 4 state colleges/CCs in two states (one class at a time but not every semester) over a period of about 15 years, all while working FT. But most of my classes were occupational and did help me on the job, so they weren’t wasted. I then got a paralegal certificate (1 yr 500-level program) later in life. I was the only one in my program who did not have a bachelor degree but was admitted based upon atty recommendations from my long work record in the field.

Back then, US university seats occupied by foreign students were of mostly males from oil-rich middle eastern countries who were majoring in engineering. Yes, their fathers paid the full ride for them to attend US universities such as OU (petroleum engineering), CU Boulder and Cal, including renting them nice local apts or even houses for off-campus housing. These families didn’t waste money on a daughter’s education because females in those countries were brought up to be oppressed, covered up and subservient to men. The US didn’t have the influx of Asian university students as there is today. The few foreign students attending US universities were nearly all middle-eastern males.

My personal experience and the fact that CA CC’s are no longer funded well enough to guarantee a student the correct classes to transfer to a UC/CSU in 2 years (or even guarantee them admission into a UC/CSU at all) are the reasons why I pushed my kids directly into university (out of county) after HS. It was the right choice. In CA, it’s MUCH easier to get accepted as a freshman straight out of HS than it is as an incoming junior out of CC (ESP if your parent(s) elect to NOT file a FAFSA). My kid(s) are successful and my youngest is on their way to being successful in life.

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[quote=mixxalot]close to Montgomery airport and Pacific Beach/Point Loma.[/quote]OK, then. Continue to look around Serra Mesa, Linda Vista/S Clairemont, and as bewildering pointed out, North Clairemont.

Whatever you’re telling us your requirements are here for a SFR (1500-2000 sf, large, private lot, 2-car garage) and all the other stuff you want inside (recently remodeled mid-to-high end), some or most of it is going to have to go out the window if you want to live between Montgomery Field and PB/Pt Loma. Go view that $575K listing as soon as you can that bewildering posted here … I believe it may currently be open for public showing. Come back here in a couple of days and let the Piggs know what you think.

Also, check (congested) “Birdland” (92123) for SFR listings. Not sure if there are any right now so keep your eyes open.

Oh … and expand your search to Allied Gardens for SFR listings. Although further east than you might want to shop, it is a nice family-oriented community between your two airports (also in the 92120 zip code).

With your narrow location parameters, you need to be considering 6-8 zip codes due to the dearth of “acceptable” listings in each. That is, if you want to actually be closed and moved into your new home by the end of this year :=0

[bearishgurl]

Here’s 2 articles on the recent state audit of UC Admissions (linked in the article below):

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-uc-audit-admissions-20160328-story.html

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/uc-audit-20160329-snap-htmlstory.html

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[quote=mixxalot]True but Bonita/CV is FAR from most other places north coastal San Diego. If I was retired then I’d buy beach front place in IB.

I’d be happy 1500-2000 square foot nice real hardwood floors, big kitchen, bathroom and room![/quote]You’re talking in circles, now, mixxalot. Either you want to be close to sailboat rentals (Shelter Island?) and your hangars at your municipal airports or you want to live near North Coastal SD County (NCC) which is likely out of your budget for a SFR and certainly not one which will meet your requirements.

Which is it?

[bearishgurl]

I vote that CA re-institute the writing portion on the SAT, ACT and TOEFL and apply the applicant’s essay/writing score to their composite score.

This is how it was done when I took the ACT … way back in the day.

This would most certainly weed out thousands of Chinese applicants, who would fail this portion miserably, causing their composite scores to plummet.

Too bad … so sad.

[bearishgurl]

Well, according to my kid who is currently finishing their sophomore year at a CSU in LA County, their close friends who started at SWC (a CC in Chula Vista, CA) have all splintered away, except for one, who has followed all the rules for CSU admission has now been told by their advisor they won’t be accepted into SDSU as a junior with their soon-to-be-earned “Associate of Transfer Degree” unless they have a CC overall GPA of 3.94!

http://adegreewithaguarantee.com/

So, now that the bar for entry for SDSU as a local transfer student is even higher (it was a ~3.6 GPA two years ago), this student/good friend of my kid’s now has a “worthless” AST Degree (not applicable to any occupations such as medical billing assistant, paralegal or Network Technician, etc) unless they are able to afford housing to attend a CSU campus out-of-county. So the kid has decided to shadow a parent who is a RE salesperson after they graduate this month and study for their RE salesperson license (which they could have done right out of HS). The other HS friends of my kid who attend SWC out of HS (predictably) went down to part-time (even one class at a time) this year and increased their work hours (local, min wage jobs) due partly to the inability to get the classes they needed when they needed them and partly to not being able to see a way out of the county to attend university (without parents/relatives being able to help). One friend, who made the Dean’s list at SWC last year (in their freshman year) decided to chuck all their freshman-year credits last fall and enrolled in a one-year Medical Assistant ROP program at SWC so she could start working FT ASAP and get benefits. NONE of these kids have any desire to carry student loans.

I just ran across this piece today:

Have UC schools harmed local students with their admission policies? The regents weigh in

Teresa Watanabe
May 10, 2016 5:00 AM

University of California regents are expected to weigh in Tuesday on a scathing state audit that said UC schools have harmed local students by admitting too many out-of-state and international applicants.

UC President Janet Napolitano blasted the audit when it was released in March. She said it was unfair and glossed over the fact that out-of-state students supported the 10-campus system by paying higher tuition than California residents — an extra $728 million in fiscal year 2014 alone. That money helped campuses increase enrollment of in-state students despite the fact that the system lost one-third of its funding after the 2008 recession, Napolitano said.

“In many instances throughout the report, (the audit) drew inferences or conclusions, or limited its findings to a subset of data, that led to a critical misunderstanding of the facts,” according to a memo from Napolitano’s office to the regents.

But state auditor Elaine Howle has stood by the report. The audit offers several recommendations for changing UC’s admissions policies, including stricter entrance requirements for nonresident students, a cap on their enrollment and more focus on recruiting Californians — particularly African Americans, Latinos and other underrepresented minorities.

UC officials are required to report their progress in implementing the recommendations after 60 days, six months and one year from the report date. The regents will get their first chance to publicly discuss the issue at their three-day meeting, which opens Tuesday in Sacramento….

(emphasis mine)

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-uc-regents-preview-audit-20160510-story.html

Are we surprised?? President Napolitano has the gall to admit what we all have known for a l-o-o-o-ong time. That is, the UC favors OOC and OOS students because they pay the full ride, plain and simple. Money talks and other stuff walks …. nevermind that a large portion of in-state UC applicants’ parents pay a boatload of taxes to this state.

It’s unfortunate, because other states give preference to in-state student applications, especially in attempt to give rural dwellers a fair shake at acceptance, since they didn’t have nearly as many HS opportunities as city dwellers (i.e. oppty for CC credits, AP credits, IB contract, etc). Unlike other states’ flagship universities, with just 1-3 campuses, UC has TEN CAMPUSES! In my mind, there is no excuse for giving away as many slots as they are to foreign and out-of-state applicants!

I hope the UC is put on the hotseat with the state audit to change their ways but somehow, I think the Regents will find a way around it by saying that they strived mightily to admit more “minority resident applicants,” but alas, only a few were “qualified.”

UC admission, more and more, is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

[bearishgurl]

I wouldn’t add a spa to your requirements if I were you, mixxalot. You might find a seller who is willing to leave their redwood hot tub (cuz they can’t move it) and you may have to do some repairs on it before using it. That’s much cheaper than buying a new one and having it delivered and set up IF you can still find the parts for it. Alternatively, you can buy a new redwood hot tub after moving in which is more energy efficient and has more and specialized jets and seating than any energy-wasting concrete spa which is attached to an in-ground pool.

Above-ground redwood hot tubs have thick folding covers which keep the water at least lukewarm for the next heating. They cost far less to heat than in-ground spas do, especially in the dead of winter.

You can make your own BBQ pit in the backyard from Home Depot materials for $75 – $150.

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