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barnaby33Participantbriansd1, here I thought I was doomed solely because of my bearishness. Now my diet is dooming me too? Crap I’d better not tell my doughnut eating, butter enjoying 88 year old father this. It will certainly kill him. That is if the brain cancer doesn’t get him first.
You sound more alarmist than me, and that is scary. Everything in moderation, even pre-packaged, deep fried, simple carbs, yummmm.
Josh
barnaby33Participantbriansd1, here I thought I was doomed solely because of my bearishness. Now my diet is dooming me too? Crap I’d better not tell my doughnut eating, butter enjoying 88 year old father this. It will certainly kill him. That is if the brain cancer doesn’t get him first.
You sound more alarmist than me, and that is scary. Everything in moderation, even pre-packaged, deep fried, simple carbs, yummmm.
Josh
barnaby33Participant25% U6, here we come. Why you might ask? Well to be fair its a total SWAG.
The number we are often given is that at the height of the first Great Depression, unemployment reached 25%. Its closest corollary today is U6, total unemployment. Even though there are still differences between now and then, in terms of calculations, its fairly close.
This time around we are far more credit dependent, ie in debt. The idea that we can avoid a macro contraction that is smaller than the first depression seems silly to say the least. Again why would I go out on a limb and say that?
First both depressions are far more credit driven than any other recessions of the last 100 years.
Second policy responses though superficially different are in essence they same. All of the New Deal programs, though targeted were really about getting money out into the broader economy. Back then the FIRE economy was concentrated in New York and so not a particularly good mechanism for getting the money out there. Plus putting people to work usually involves infrastructure projects.
Third the losses have been made all we are arguing over, while we are having this fun doozy of a depression is who gets the check. Most of the real losses haven’t even been recognized and if Bush III and Geithner have anything to say about it, they never will.
Forth we tried externalizing our problems last time which led to protectionism and greater depression. We haven’t gone there overtly with trade protectionism, but we have with our monetary policy and this is the real bitch. Every major world player is engaging in the same attempt to externalize its debts by printing in one form or another. We print, though we call it borrowing, and so do all our major trading partners, at the same time that massive amounts of credit are contracting. So now we have trillions of dollars of short term money sloshing around and nowhere stable for it to go, which causes further instability in your credit markets. This leads to further risk aversion and less willingness to lend. That part is ok, because there is nothing good to lend against right now, because the govt is committed to propping up bad debt!
The playbook is shockingly similar to last time, only the names and some of the mechanisms have changed.
One of the surprises so far is that I am still employed, a fact that I am eminently greatful for.
Josh
barnaby33Participant25% U6, here we come. Why you might ask? Well to be fair its a total SWAG.
The number we are often given is that at the height of the first Great Depression, unemployment reached 25%. Its closest corollary today is U6, total unemployment. Even though there are still differences between now and then, in terms of calculations, its fairly close.
This time around we are far more credit dependent, ie in debt. The idea that we can avoid a macro contraction that is smaller than the first depression seems silly to say the least. Again why would I go out on a limb and say that?
First both depressions are far more credit driven than any other recessions of the last 100 years.
Second policy responses though superficially different are in essence they same. All of the New Deal programs, though targeted were really about getting money out into the broader economy. Back then the FIRE economy was concentrated in New York and so not a particularly good mechanism for getting the money out there. Plus putting people to work usually involves infrastructure projects.
Third the losses have been made all we are arguing over, while we are having this fun doozy of a depression is who gets the check. Most of the real losses haven’t even been recognized and if Bush III and Geithner have anything to say about it, they never will.
Forth we tried externalizing our problems last time which led to protectionism and greater depression. We haven’t gone there overtly with trade protectionism, but we have with our monetary policy and this is the real bitch. Every major world player is engaging in the same attempt to externalize its debts by printing in one form or another. We print, though we call it borrowing, and so do all our major trading partners, at the same time that massive amounts of credit are contracting. So now we have trillions of dollars of short term money sloshing around and nowhere stable for it to go, which causes further instability in your credit markets. This leads to further risk aversion and less willingness to lend. That part is ok, because there is nothing good to lend against right now, because the govt is committed to propping up bad debt!
The playbook is shockingly similar to last time, only the names and some of the mechanisms have changed.
One of the surprises so far is that I am still employed, a fact that I am eminently greatful for.
Josh
barnaby33Participant25% U6, here we come. Why you might ask? Well to be fair its a total SWAG.
The number we are often given is that at the height of the first Great Depression, unemployment reached 25%. Its closest corollary today is U6, total unemployment. Even though there are still differences between now and then, in terms of calculations, its fairly close.
This time around we are far more credit dependent, ie in debt. The idea that we can avoid a macro contraction that is smaller than the first depression seems silly to say the least. Again why would I go out on a limb and say that?
First both depressions are far more credit driven than any other recessions of the last 100 years.
Second policy responses though superficially different are in essence they same. All of the New Deal programs, though targeted were really about getting money out into the broader economy. Back then the FIRE economy was concentrated in New York and so not a particularly good mechanism for getting the money out there. Plus putting people to work usually involves infrastructure projects.
Third the losses have been made all we are arguing over, while we are having this fun doozy of a depression is who gets the check. Most of the real losses haven’t even been recognized and if Bush III and Geithner have anything to say about it, they never will.
Forth we tried externalizing our problems last time which led to protectionism and greater depression. We haven’t gone there overtly with trade protectionism, but we have with our monetary policy and this is the real bitch. Every major world player is engaging in the same attempt to externalize its debts by printing in one form or another. We print, though we call it borrowing, and so do all our major trading partners, at the same time that massive amounts of credit are contracting. So now we have trillions of dollars of short term money sloshing around and nowhere stable for it to go, which causes further instability in your credit markets. This leads to further risk aversion and less willingness to lend. That part is ok, because there is nothing good to lend against right now, because the govt is committed to propping up bad debt!
The playbook is shockingly similar to last time, only the names and some of the mechanisms have changed.
One of the surprises so far is that I am still employed, a fact that I am eminently greatful for.
Josh
barnaby33Participant25% U6, here we come. Why you might ask? Well to be fair its a total SWAG.
The number we are often given is that at the height of the first Great Depression, unemployment reached 25%. Its closest corollary today is U6, total unemployment. Even though there are still differences between now and then, in terms of calculations, its fairly close.
This time around we are far more credit dependent, ie in debt. The idea that we can avoid a macro contraction that is smaller than the first depression seems silly to say the least. Again why would I go out on a limb and say that?
First both depressions are far more credit driven than any other recessions of the last 100 years.
Second policy responses though superficially different are in essence they same. All of the New Deal programs, though targeted were really about getting money out into the broader economy. Back then the FIRE economy was concentrated in New York and so not a particularly good mechanism for getting the money out there. Plus putting people to work usually involves infrastructure projects.
Third the losses have been made all we are arguing over, while we are having this fun doozy of a depression is who gets the check. Most of the real losses haven’t even been recognized and if Bush III and Geithner have anything to say about it, they never will.
Forth we tried externalizing our problems last time which led to protectionism and greater depression. We haven’t gone there overtly with trade protectionism, but we have with our monetary policy and this is the real bitch. Every major world player is engaging in the same attempt to externalize its debts by printing in one form or another. We print, though we call it borrowing, and so do all our major trading partners, at the same time that massive amounts of credit are contracting. So now we have trillions of dollars of short term money sloshing around and nowhere stable for it to go, which causes further instability in your credit markets. This leads to further risk aversion and less willingness to lend. That part is ok, because there is nothing good to lend against right now, because the govt is committed to propping up bad debt!
The playbook is shockingly similar to last time, only the names and some of the mechanisms have changed.
One of the surprises so far is that I am still employed, a fact that I am eminently greatful for.
Josh
barnaby33Participant25% U6, here we come. Why you might ask? Well to be fair its a total SWAG.
The number we are often given is that at the height of the first Great Depression, unemployment reached 25%. Its closest corollary today is U6, total unemployment. Even though there are still differences between now and then, in terms of calculations, its fairly close.
This time around we are far more credit dependent, ie in debt. The idea that we can avoid a macro contraction that is smaller than the first depression seems silly to say the least. Again why would I go out on a limb and say that?
First both depressions are far more credit driven than any other recessions of the last 100 years.
Second policy responses though superficially different are in essence they same. All of the New Deal programs, though targeted were really about getting money out into the broader economy. Back then the FIRE economy was concentrated in New York and so not a particularly good mechanism for getting the money out there. Plus putting people to work usually involves infrastructure projects.
Third the losses have been made all we are arguing over, while we are having this fun doozy of a depression is who gets the check. Most of the real losses haven’t even been recognized and if Bush III and Geithner have anything to say about it, they never will.
Forth we tried externalizing our problems last time which led to protectionism and greater depression. We haven’t gone there overtly with trade protectionism, but we have with our monetary policy and this is the real bitch. Every major world player is engaging in the same attempt to externalize its debts by printing in one form or another. We print, though we call it borrowing, and so do all our major trading partners, at the same time that massive amounts of credit are contracting. So now we have trillions of dollars of short term money sloshing around and nowhere stable for it to go, which causes further instability in your credit markets. This leads to further risk aversion and less willingness to lend. That part is ok, because there is nothing good to lend against right now, because the govt is committed to propping up bad debt!
The playbook is shockingly similar to last time, only the names and some of the mechanisms have changed.
One of the surprises so far is that I am still employed, a fact that I am eminently greatful for.
Josh
June 21, 2009 at 1:16 AM in reply to: Japanese Citizens Detained at Swiss Border with Fake Bonds? #418175
barnaby33ParticipantTalk about brutality. The mullahs are saints compared to them.
Hello pot, this is kettle. Better to be a second class Arab in Israel than a first class Arab in any other shitbox country in the middle east. Brutality, surely you are kidding? The only thing the Arabs of Jenin hate more than the Jews are the Arabs of Nablus. Nice way to make a hollow political point and be off topic, all in one short post.
JoshJune 21, 2009 at 1:16 AM in reply to: Japanese Citizens Detained at Swiss Border with Fake Bonds? #418405
barnaby33ParticipantTalk about brutality. The mullahs are saints compared to them.
Hello pot, this is kettle. Better to be a second class Arab in Israel than a first class Arab in any other shitbox country in the middle east. Brutality, surely you are kidding? The only thing the Arabs of Jenin hate more than the Jews are the Arabs of Nablus. Nice way to make a hollow political point and be off topic, all in one short post.
JoshJune 21, 2009 at 1:16 AM in reply to: Japanese Citizens Detained at Swiss Border with Fake Bonds? #418667
barnaby33ParticipantTalk about brutality. The mullahs are saints compared to them.
Hello pot, this is kettle. Better to be a second class Arab in Israel than a first class Arab in any other shitbox country in the middle east. Brutality, surely you are kidding? The only thing the Arabs of Jenin hate more than the Jews are the Arabs of Nablus. Nice way to make a hollow political point and be off topic, all in one short post.
JoshJune 21, 2009 at 1:16 AM in reply to: Japanese Citizens Detained at Swiss Border with Fake Bonds? #418734
barnaby33ParticipantTalk about brutality. The mullahs are saints compared to them.
Hello pot, this is kettle. Better to be a second class Arab in Israel than a first class Arab in any other shitbox country in the middle east. Brutality, surely you are kidding? The only thing the Arabs of Jenin hate more than the Jews are the Arabs of Nablus. Nice way to make a hollow political point and be off topic, all in one short post.
JoshJune 21, 2009 at 1:16 AM in reply to: Japanese Citizens Detained at Swiss Border with Fake Bonds? #418893
barnaby33ParticipantTalk about brutality. The mullahs are saints compared to them.
Hello pot, this is kettle. Better to be a second class Arab in Israel than a first class Arab in any other shitbox country in the middle east. Brutality, surely you are kidding? The only thing the Arabs of Jenin hate more than the Jews are the Arabs of Nablus. Nice way to make a hollow political point and be off topic, all in one short post.
Josh
barnaby33ParticipantAs to the seating position on the SV, are you sure you aren’t confusing it with the SV650S? True neither has a cruiser seating position, but I thought that the SV650 had a rather standard seat position, as opposed to any of the more rice rocket oriented bikes.
I’ve only owned two bikes my Seca II and my current BMW 1150R.
Josh
barnaby33ParticipantAs to the seating position on the SV, are you sure you aren’t confusing it with the SV650S? True neither has a cruiser seating position, but I thought that the SV650 had a rather standard seat position, as opposed to any of the more rice rocket oriented bikes.
I’ve only owned two bikes my Seca II and my current BMW 1150R.
Josh
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