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June 17, 2011 at 10:19 PM in reply to: It’s not all gloom and doom. “Silly” Valley values booming #705247June 17, 2011 at 10:19 PM in reply to: It’s not all gloom and doom. “Silly” Valley values booming #705607
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Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=AN] . . . I don’t buy for one bit that it cost 2-5 times to build a custom homes vs a tract home. The cost of permit can’t possibly be that expensive.[/quote]
It’s not just the permit, AN. It’s the finishes and hardscape/landscape you will have to use in order to conform (and compete) with the immediate area. And the finishes you will use on the inside to conform with your individual taste and also area values.
Who in their right mind would go thru the “custom build” process in CA on an inferior lot? Owners could just get a “spec” builder to build one of their 5-6 “stock” plans on an inferior lot or a lot in a “working class” area. There is no need to go through this bureaucratic hell if the lot isn’t “worth it.”
I think Nor-LA-SD-GUY2 is correct in his assertion that it costs two to five times as much to build a (quality) custom home over a tract home. It all depends on WHERE it is being built.[/quote]
Why don’t you try to compare apple to apple. EVERYTHING that you can put inside a custom home, you can put in a tract home. EVERYTHING you can do to the exterior of a custom home, you can you to a tract home. What make you think tract home only use the cheap stuff? You can’t say it cost 2-5 time more to build a custom home vs a tract home, then go on and list the finishes and upgrades that make it more expensive. By that same logic, a tract home that use higher interior/exterior finishes will cost 2-5 more than a custom home. In essence, what you’re saying is, a house that have higher end materials will cost more to build. That has nothing to do with custom vs tract but higher end taste vs lower end taste.June 17, 2011 at 5:56 PM in reply to: It’s not all gloom and doom. “Silly” Valley values booming #704360Participant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2]There is no comparison to a custom house built on a custom lot (say sitting on top of a mountain or backing to a forest) to a tract home, the custom home will easily cost 2-5 times as much to build as a tract home. And having 2-5 acres to call your own is sometimes a pain and sometimes a life saver.
But having everyone living in high rise Condo’s in the city seems like the current administrations plan so …[/quote]
The same thing can be said in reverse. There’s no comparison to a tract house on a large lot with ocean or canyon or forest view to a custom home that’s stuffed in a 4k-5k sq-ft lot with a view of your neighbor.I don’t buy for one bit that it cost 2-5 times to build a custom homes vs a tract home. The cost of permit can’t possibly be that expensive.
June 17, 2011 at 5:56 PM in reply to: It’s not all gloom and doom. “Silly” Valley values booming #704454Participant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2]There is no comparison to a custom house built on a custom lot (say sitting on top of a mountain or backing to a forest) to a tract home, the custom home will easily cost 2-5 times as much to build as a tract home. And having 2-5 acres to call your own is sometimes a pain and sometimes a life saver.
But having everyone living in high rise Condo’s in the city seems like the current administrations plan so …[/quote]
The same thing can be said in reverse. There’s no comparison to a tract house on a large lot with ocean or canyon or forest view to a custom home that’s stuffed in a 4k-5k sq-ft lot with a view of your neighbor.I don’t buy for one bit that it cost 2-5 times to build a custom homes vs a tract home. The cost of permit can’t possibly be that expensive.
June 17, 2011 at 5:56 PM in reply to: It’s not all gloom and doom. “Silly” Valley values booming #705048Participant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2]There is no comparison to a custom house built on a custom lot (say sitting on top of a mountain or backing to a forest) to a tract home, the custom home will easily cost 2-5 times as much to build as a tract home. And having 2-5 acres to call your own is sometimes a pain and sometimes a life saver.
But having everyone living in high rise Condo’s in the city seems like the current administrations plan so …[/quote]
The same thing can be said in reverse. There’s no comparison to a tract house on a large lot with ocean or canyon or forest view to a custom home that’s stuffed in a 4k-5k sq-ft lot with a view of your neighbor.I don’t buy for one bit that it cost 2-5 times to build a custom homes vs a tract home. The cost of permit can’t possibly be that expensive.
June 17, 2011 at 5:56 PM in reply to: It’s not all gloom and doom. “Silly” Valley values booming #705199Participant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2]There is no comparison to a custom house built on a custom lot (say sitting on top of a mountain or backing to a forest) to a tract home, the custom home will easily cost 2-5 times as much to build as a tract home. And having 2-5 acres to call your own is sometimes a pain and sometimes a life saver.
But having everyone living in high rise Condo’s in the city seems like the current administrations plan so …[/quote]
The same thing can be said in reverse. There’s no comparison to a tract house on a large lot with ocean or canyon or forest view to a custom home that’s stuffed in a 4k-5k sq-ft lot with a view of your neighbor.I don’t buy for one bit that it cost 2-5 times to build a custom homes vs a tract home. The cost of permit can’t possibly be that expensive.
June 17, 2011 at 5:56 PM in reply to: It’s not all gloom and doom. “Silly” Valley values booming #705559Participant[quote=Nor-LA-SD-GUY2]There is no comparison to a custom house built on a custom lot (say sitting on top of a mountain or backing to a forest) to a tract home, the custom home will easily cost 2-5 times as much to build as a tract home. And having 2-5 acres to call your own is sometimes a pain and sometimes a life saver.
But having everyone living in high rise Condo’s in the city seems like the current administrations plan so …[/quote]
The same thing can be said in reverse. There’s no comparison to a tract house on a large lot with ocean or canyon or forest view to a custom home that’s stuffed in a 4k-5k sq-ft lot with a view of your neighbor.I don’t buy for one bit that it cost 2-5 times to build a custom homes vs a tract home. The cost of permit can’t possibly be that expensive.
June 17, 2011 at 5:32 PM in reply to: It’s not all gloom and doom. “Silly” Valley values booming #704350ParticipantBG, you seem to fail to understand that I’m not comparing custom to tract home. If you want to compare custom to custom, then compare Del Mar to any place in SV that’s w/in 1 mile of the water and have top school. Then tell me how much it cost to buy a comparable house. You’re the one who’s comparing apples to oranges. I’m asking you to compare apple to apple. You’re also the one who brought up living w/in your mean. Which mean buying a 400k house when your HHI is $150k. You can do that down here, you can’t do that up there. I want to live w/in my mean, which mean buying a place that’s ~3x my income and that place have to be w/in 3-4 miles from work. There’s NOTHING that would satisfy those criteria in SV. Whether you dislike tract house or not is irrelevant. I don’t have a disdain for tract house like you do. Like Brian said, a house is a house. I disdain a poorly layout house. So if a custom home have horribly layout floor plan, then I view those in much worse light than a similar size, better layout, tract house.
June 17, 2011 at 5:32 PM in reply to: It’s not all gloom and doom. “Silly” Valley values booming #704444ParticipantBG, you seem to fail to understand that I’m not comparing custom to tract home. If you want to compare custom to custom, then compare Del Mar to any place in SV that’s w/in 1 mile of the water and have top school. Then tell me how much it cost to buy a comparable house. You’re the one who’s comparing apples to oranges. I’m asking you to compare apple to apple. You’re also the one who brought up living w/in your mean. Which mean buying a 400k house when your HHI is $150k. You can do that down here, you can’t do that up there. I want to live w/in my mean, which mean buying a place that’s ~3x my income and that place have to be w/in 3-4 miles from work. There’s NOTHING that would satisfy those criteria in SV. Whether you dislike tract house or not is irrelevant. I don’t have a disdain for tract house like you do. Like Brian said, a house is a house. I disdain a poorly layout house. So if a custom home have horribly layout floor plan, then I view those in much worse light than a similar size, better layout, tract house.
June 17, 2011 at 5:32 PM in reply to: It’s not all gloom and doom. “Silly” Valley values booming #705038ParticipantBG, you seem to fail to understand that I’m not comparing custom to tract home. If you want to compare custom to custom, then compare Del Mar to any place in SV that’s w/in 1 mile of the water and have top school. Then tell me how much it cost to buy a comparable house. You’re the one who’s comparing apples to oranges. I’m asking you to compare apple to apple. You’re also the one who brought up living w/in your mean. Which mean buying a 400k house when your HHI is $150k. You can do that down here, you can’t do that up there. I want to live w/in my mean, which mean buying a place that’s ~3x my income and that place have to be w/in 3-4 miles from work. There’s NOTHING that would satisfy those criteria in SV. Whether you dislike tract house or not is irrelevant. I don’t have a disdain for tract house like you do. Like Brian said, a house is a house. I disdain a poorly layout house. So if a custom home have horribly layout floor plan, then I view those in much worse light than a similar size, better layout, tract house.
June 17, 2011 at 5:32 PM in reply to: It’s not all gloom and doom. “Silly” Valley values booming #705189ParticipantBG, you seem to fail to understand that I’m not comparing custom to tract home. If you want to compare custom to custom, then compare Del Mar to any place in SV that’s w/in 1 mile of the water and have top school. Then tell me how much it cost to buy a comparable house. You’re the one who’s comparing apples to oranges. I’m asking you to compare apple to apple. You’re also the one who brought up living w/in your mean. Which mean buying a 400k house when your HHI is $150k. You can do that down here, you can’t do that up there. I want to live w/in my mean, which mean buying a place that’s ~3x my income and that place have to be w/in 3-4 miles from work. There’s NOTHING that would satisfy those criteria in SV. Whether you dislike tract house or not is irrelevant. I don’t have a disdain for tract house like you do. Like Brian said, a house is a house. I disdain a poorly layout house. So if a custom home have horribly layout floor plan, then I view those in much worse light than a similar size, better layout, tract house.
June 17, 2011 at 5:32 PM in reply to: It’s not all gloom and doom. “Silly” Valley values booming #705548ParticipantBG, you seem to fail to understand that I’m not comparing custom to tract home. If you want to compare custom to custom, then compare Del Mar to any place in SV that’s w/in 1 mile of the water and have top school. Then tell me how much it cost to buy a comparable house. You’re the one who’s comparing apples to oranges. I’m asking you to compare apple to apple. You’re also the one who brought up living w/in your mean. Which mean buying a 400k house when your HHI is $150k. You can do that down here, you can’t do that up there. I want to live w/in my mean, which mean buying a place that’s ~3x my income and that place have to be w/in 3-4 miles from work. There’s NOTHING that would satisfy those criteria in SV. Whether you dislike tract house or not is irrelevant. I don’t have a disdain for tract house like you do. Like Brian said, a house is a house. I disdain a poorly layout house. So if a custom home have horribly layout floor plan, then I view those in much worse light than a similar size, better layout, tract house.
June 17, 2011 at 1:24 AM in reply to: It’s not all gloom and doom. “Silly” Valley values booming #704223ParticipantBG, that’s a pretty long winded post to basically say what SmellsFeeshy and I are saying. Did we say anything about newer homes or even 3000 sq-ft? MM and Clairemont don’t have that many 3000 sq-ft home.
Salary.com and my personal experiences while looking at jobs this past year would disagree with your 45% claim. It’s more like 15-20%.
Mt. View pay for Software Developer III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Software-Developer-III-Salary-Details-mountain-view-ca.aspxSunnyvale pay for Software Developer III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Software-Developer-III-Salary-Details-sunnyvale-ca.aspxSD pay for Software Developer III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Software-Developer-III-Salary-Details-san-diego-ca.aspxMira Mesa is about 3-6 miles away from Sorrento Valley, where there’s a lot of high tech jobs. A simple 3/2 1275 sq-ft house goes for ~$350-370k: http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-110016599-11158_Tyrolean_Way_San_Diego_CA_92126. A larger 4/3 2000 sq-ft goes for ~$440-460k: http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-110023237-10143_Parkdale_Ave_San_Diego_CA_92126. Please tell me how much a house like these would go for in Sunnyvale or Mt. View (please keep in mind the place have to be w/in 3-6 miles from Sunnyvale or Mt. View)?
Your living w/in your mean basically said that the bay area pays less when you count in the cost of living, but hey, there’s a lot of jobs openings. Why is that attractive? I don’t need 10 jobs, I just need one that pay well.
BTW, just in case you’re saying s/w engineer is the exception, not the rule regarding salary, here are a few other:
Sunnyvale Attorney III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Attorney-III-Salary-Details-sunnyvale-ca.aspx
Mt. View Attorney III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Attorney-III-Salary-Details-mountain-view-ca.aspx
SD Attorney III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Attorney-III-Salary-Details-san-diego-ca.aspxSunnyvale Anesthesiologist:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/anesthesiologist-Salary-Details-Sunnyvale-CA.aspx
Mt. View Anesthesiologist:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/anesthesiologist-Salary-Details-mountain-view-CA.aspx
SD Anesthesiologist:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/anesthesiologist-Salary-Details-san-diego-CA.aspxSunnyvale RN:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/registered-nurse-Salary-Details-Sunnyvale-CA.aspx
Mt. View RN:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/registered-nurse-Salary-Details-mountain-view-CA.aspx
SD RN:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/registered-nurse-Salary-Details-san-diego-CA.aspxThere’s my data for my 15-20% higher pay claim. Do you have data to back up your 45% higher pay claim?
June 17, 2011 at 1:24 AM in reply to: It’s not all gloom and doom. “Silly” Valley values booming #704318ParticipantBG, that’s a pretty long winded post to basically say what SmellsFeeshy and I are saying. Did we say anything about newer homes or even 3000 sq-ft? MM and Clairemont don’t have that many 3000 sq-ft home.
Salary.com and my personal experiences while looking at jobs this past year would disagree with your 45% claim. It’s more like 15-20%.
Mt. View pay for Software Developer III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Software-Developer-III-Salary-Details-mountain-view-ca.aspxSunnyvale pay for Software Developer III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Software-Developer-III-Salary-Details-sunnyvale-ca.aspxSD pay for Software Developer III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Software-Developer-III-Salary-Details-san-diego-ca.aspxMira Mesa is about 3-6 miles away from Sorrento Valley, where there’s a lot of high tech jobs. A simple 3/2 1275 sq-ft house goes for ~$350-370k: http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-110016599-11158_Tyrolean_Way_San_Diego_CA_92126. A larger 4/3 2000 sq-ft goes for ~$440-460k: http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-110023237-10143_Parkdale_Ave_San_Diego_CA_92126. Please tell me how much a house like these would go for in Sunnyvale or Mt. View (please keep in mind the place have to be w/in 3-6 miles from Sunnyvale or Mt. View)?
Your living w/in your mean basically said that the bay area pays less when you count in the cost of living, but hey, there’s a lot of jobs openings. Why is that attractive? I don’t need 10 jobs, I just need one that pay well.
BTW, just in case you’re saying s/w engineer is the exception, not the rule regarding salary, here are a few other:
Sunnyvale Attorney III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Attorney-III-Salary-Details-sunnyvale-ca.aspx
Mt. View Attorney III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Attorney-III-Salary-Details-mountain-view-ca.aspx
SD Attorney III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Attorney-III-Salary-Details-san-diego-ca.aspxSunnyvale Anesthesiologist:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/anesthesiologist-Salary-Details-Sunnyvale-CA.aspx
Mt. View Anesthesiologist:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/anesthesiologist-Salary-Details-mountain-view-CA.aspx
SD Anesthesiologist:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/anesthesiologist-Salary-Details-san-diego-CA.aspxSunnyvale RN:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/registered-nurse-Salary-Details-Sunnyvale-CA.aspx
Mt. View RN:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/registered-nurse-Salary-Details-mountain-view-CA.aspx
SD RN:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/registered-nurse-Salary-Details-san-diego-CA.aspxThere’s my data for my 15-20% higher pay claim. Do you have data to back up your 45% higher pay claim?
June 17, 2011 at 1:24 AM in reply to: It’s not all gloom and doom. “Silly” Valley values booming #704908ParticipantBG, that’s a pretty long winded post to basically say what SmellsFeeshy and I are saying. Did we say anything about newer homes or even 3000 sq-ft? MM and Clairemont don’t have that many 3000 sq-ft home.
Salary.com and my personal experiences while looking at jobs this past year would disagree with your 45% claim. It’s more like 15-20%.
Mt. View pay for Software Developer III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Software-Developer-III-Salary-Details-mountain-view-ca.aspxSunnyvale pay for Software Developer III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Software-Developer-III-Salary-Details-sunnyvale-ca.aspxSD pay for Software Developer III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Software-Developer-III-Salary-Details-san-diego-ca.aspxMira Mesa is about 3-6 miles away from Sorrento Valley, where there’s a lot of high tech jobs. A simple 3/2 1275 sq-ft house goes for ~$350-370k: http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-110016599-11158_Tyrolean_Way_San_Diego_CA_92126. A larger 4/3 2000 sq-ft goes for ~$440-460k: http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-110023237-10143_Parkdale_Ave_San_Diego_CA_92126. Please tell me how much a house like these would go for in Sunnyvale or Mt. View (please keep in mind the place have to be w/in 3-6 miles from Sunnyvale or Mt. View)?
Your living w/in your mean basically said that the bay area pays less when you count in the cost of living, but hey, there’s a lot of jobs openings. Why is that attractive? I don’t need 10 jobs, I just need one that pay well.
BTW, just in case you’re saying s/w engineer is the exception, not the rule regarding salary, here are a few other:
Sunnyvale Attorney III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Attorney-III-Salary-Details-sunnyvale-ca.aspx
Mt. View Attorney III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Attorney-III-Salary-Details-mountain-view-ca.aspx
SD Attorney III:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Attorney-III-Salary-Details-san-diego-ca.aspxSunnyvale Anesthesiologist:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/anesthesiologist-Salary-Details-Sunnyvale-CA.aspx
Mt. View Anesthesiologist:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/anesthesiologist-Salary-Details-mountain-view-CA.aspx
SD Anesthesiologist:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/anesthesiologist-Salary-Details-san-diego-CA.aspxSunnyvale RN:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/registered-nurse-Salary-Details-Sunnyvale-CA.aspx
Mt. View RN:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/registered-nurse-Salary-Details-mountain-view-CA.aspx
SD RN:
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/registered-nurse-Salary-Details-san-diego-CA.aspxThere’s my data for my 15-20% higher pay claim. Do you have data to back up your 45% higher pay claim?
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