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Participant[quote=deadzone]Question for Corona and AN related to Engineer’s salaries. What website do you use to see San Diego salary data? Has it shown significant salary increases in recent years for apples to apples jobs (i.e. inflation)?
Many of you have been reporting big increases in salary and/or difficulty hiring. It sounds to me like you guys are hiring for very niche positions. Although admittedly I am one of those folks you mentioned that is stuck in 90s/00s technology and mentality so the jobs you describe are completely Greek to me.[/quote]
There isn’t one place for this data. For me, it’s a combination of talking with recruiting team (they do a yearly salary assessment and they ask every candidates what their salary expectation are), looking at what candidate’s salary expectations are for the positions we have open, and keeping tab on LinkedIn. I’m seeing signification salary increase in the last few years.We’re on the MERN stack, so definitely not niche. If you do web development, this is the most popular stack and have the biggest pool of candidates.
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Of course leaving SD to work remotely could be risky too. If the work from home trend is short lived, which I think it will be, then you could be screwed trying to get a job in your new locale down the road.[/quote]
Who said anything about moving out of SD? You’re the one who made that statement and then argue against it. That’s the definition of a strawman argument.“A strawman is a fallacious argument that distorts an opposing stance in order to make it easier to attack. Essentially, the person using the strawman pretends to attack their opponent’s stance, while in reality they are actually attacking a distorted version of that stance, which their opponent doesn’t necessarily support.”
Participant[quote=deadzone]FLU and AN I assume are hiring for niche type positions within the wireless industry. San Diego is one of the (or the) hub for that industry so that may explain why you are not finding qualified applicants in Florida.
But I still don’t agree with your logic that folks are coming to San Diego en masse for the “lower” cost of living due to remote work. Just because you have anecdotal examples does not make it an actual thing. As Rich asked, where is the evidence that more folks are moving here due to remote work than are leaving? It is far more logical to think more folks would be leaving. Your wireless engineer making 200K would live like a king in most parts of the country.
Of course leaving SD to work remotely could be risky too. If the work from home trend is short lived, which I think it will be, then you could be screwed trying to get a job in your new locale down the road.[/quote]
You assume wrong on both counts. I’m looking at MERN full stack developers. But it’s beyond who I’m looking for but it about what other companies are looking for and what they’re willing to pay. I must make sure we stay competitive, or my best engineers will get enticed by these opportunities and jump ship.I did not say there’s a flood of people moving here due to “lower” cost of living. I don’t have the data or experience on that. It might be the case, but I don’t have experience in that. RE agents who work with people buying/selling homes would be the better person to ask for that. But I did say that these WFH opportunities are forcing local companies to compete or risk the loss to great engineers.
Participant[quote=Coronita]To be fair, those positions pay well. But they also demand applicants to be well qualified. Not everyone will be well qualified.[/quote]
I’m assuming that deadzone is great at what he does and is well qualified. If he’s not, well…Like you Coronita, I’m actively talking with head of finance, CTO, CEO about the current state of engineering salary in San Diego due to these remote job postings. I’m in the hiring/managing position, so I know what it takes to keep things moving. We’re willing to pay top dollar for 10x-er. It’ll cost us a lot more if they leave due to these remote opportunities. As a leader, we can either stay competitive or lose your good people.
Participant[quote=deadzone][quote=an][quote=deadzone][quote=an]The 2nd sentence say 100% remote. We have no idea where the company head quarter is and we don’t care, since it’s 100% remote. For all we know, they don’t even have an office.
BTW, how do you know that’s bay area pay?[/quote]
No idea if that is Bay area pay, just picked that as an example cause it looked like higher salaries than are typical in San Diego.
But either way, I don’t see the logic that remote work would increase salaries, or that my company would pay me my San Diego salary, for example, if I chose to remote work from Arkansas. If that option was widely available, I guarantee a crap ton of folks would leave San Diego.[/quote]
If you say so[/quote]No, if you say so. You are the one coming to an illogical assumption.
Look I would love to get a salary increase for working from home too. But not holding my breath it’s going to happen.[/quote]
You can apply for those positions and get the raiseParticipant[quote=deadzone][quote=an]The 2nd sentence say 100% remote. We have no idea where the company head quarter is and we don’t care, since it’s 100% remote. For all we know, they don’t even have an office.
BTW, how do you know that’s bay area pay?[/quote]
No idea if that is Bay area pay, just picked that as an example cause it looked like higher salaries than are typical in San Diego.
But either way, I don’t see the logic that remote work would increase salaries, or that my company would pay me my San Diego salary, for example, if I chose to remote work from Arkansas. If that option was widely available, I guarantee a crap ton of folks would leave San Diego.[/quote]
If you say soParticipantThe 2nd sentence say 100% remote. We have no idea where the company head quarter is and we don’t care, since it’s 100% remote. For all we know, they don’t even have an office.
BTW, how do you know that’s bay area pay?
ParticipantAs more and more companies are going 100% remote, we probably will see salary inflation for engineers in San Diego as they work for other companies not in San Diego. I saw this from one of the recruiter in my LinkedIn Circle.
[img_assist|nid=27371|title=job opening|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=74]Participant[quote=sdrealtor]What is the lizard situation 3Roots vs Stone creek?[/quote]
Stone creek probably have more lizards. They might be of the lower quality kind too. But still a step up in the lizard pecking order compare to the older part of MM.Participant[quote=sdrealtor]Id put my chips on 3Roots if possible. 3 minutes closer to La Jolla ;)[/quote]
I’d put my chips on 3Roots too if they let me ;-). But Stone creek will have similar vibe, but it’ll just be denser. But they have plans for trails and a town center too, so that will be beneficial to the people living in the Southeast part of MM and the trail system supposed to connect w/ 3Roots’s trail system too (we’ll see about this one), but that should be nice if they do.Participant[quote=Coronita][quote=an][quote=sdrealtor]This neighborhodd should transform Mira Mesa over the next 2 decades the way San Elijo Hills transformed San Marcos the last two decades.[/quote]
This along w/ Stonecreek will change it dramatically. Stonecreek will be an even bigger development.[/quote]what’s stonecreek?[/quote]
https://www.sandiego.gov/sites/default/files/appendix_t_-_stone_creek_amendment_to_the_mira_mesa_community_plan.pdf
https://ceqanet.opr.ca.gov/2005091120/2It’s immediately east of 3Roots stretching to the 15.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]This neighborhodd should transform Mira Mesa over the next 2 decades the way San Elijo Hills transformed San Marcos the last two decades.[/quote]
This along w/ Stonecreek will change it dramatically. Stonecreek will be an even bigger development.ParticipantI know someone who completed his pre-approval application after 20 minutes of opening and he couldn’t get on the list.
Participant[quote=an][quote=svelte][quote=an]
Yes, every crash is different. Not every crash cause everything to crash. Oil prices in the 70s caused massive inflation and housing went up almost 10x.
[/quote]The stock market crashed in the 70s.[/quote]
But not housing. Like I said, not everything crashes. Housing went up almost 10x.[/quote]
Ahh, forest from the trees. You’re right, I was wrong about the 10X. But was was your point about pointing out that the market crashed in the 70s in respond to me saying “Not every crash cause everything to crash.”? -
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