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ParticipantSince you love to post youtube videos, how about these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmPL1K9ucgQ
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d8d_1349066357
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=abusive+teachers+in+school&FORM=HDRSC3#view=detail&mid=DE521FA01F115BE5BBBEDE521FA01F115BE5BBBEParticipant[quote=CA renter]One more thing about “calling security,” is that even if the kid is sent home or to the principal/dean’s office that day, she will be back the next day or the one after that emboldened and just as bad as ever. As far as that student is concerned, the worst that can happen is she gets a couple of days off of school. Many of these students just LOVE a day off of school. As far as they’re concerned, they’ve “won,” and they will have no motivation to improve their behavior.
And let’s just assume you keep calling security every day to get these kids out of your classroom. Do you want to know what the administrators will say? They’ll tell you that you are clearly not capable of doing your job if you have to keep calling security and suspending your students all the time.[/quote]Not if I have video recording to prove what’s going on. No need for hearsay.
As for “they’ve won” statement, who cares? They don’t want to learn, so let them win. Obviously you and everyone in the teachers Union won’t let the good student out, so my solution then would be to kick out the bad students. If I have to call the cops and get the student arrested, so be it. A video recording is a very powerful tool to prove your case.
Anyways, you have no objection from me that there are bad students. But that has nothing to do w/ bad teachers. You still can’t believe that there are more bad teachers than you care to admit.
Participant[quote=CA renter]And why do they need bus monitors?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hDZHv2bn0w
Think you could drive a bus with this going on?
FWIW, I think that bus drivers have one of the toughest jobs in a school district.[/quote]
Do you think that bus monitor in the other video would be able to do anything in this situation? If that’s the reason for having a bus monitor, then I question why she was hired as a bus monitor. I would expect to see a 6′ 250lb guy as bus monitor.ParticipantGuess what, I went to a HS that had plenty of fights too. As soon as the fight broke out, security came running. It usually ends in <3-5 minutes. Those students then get suspended. So, yes, I've witness what bad students too. Which is why I said there should be segregation of those type of students apart from those who wants to learn.
As I've stated, I'm not a professional teacher and I won't kid myself into thinking I can personally handle the violence. But that's why I said I'll call security instead of trying to handle it myself. As an adult, you should know what you can and can't handle. If you can't handle these tough students, then move to a school where this won't be a problem.
You're mixing two different problems. Proving that there are bad students have nothing to do with disproving that there are bad teachers and how tenure is retarded. Just because you prove the sky is blue does not disprove the leaves are green. Both flu and I stated we had bad teachers in Honor/AP classes. These students are ready to learn. There were no students acting up in these classes.
Please don't lump me in with politicians. You like to do that a lot. I was not talking about "failing schools". I was talking about bad teachers. Yes, the problem is very complex, but no solution can arise when neither side concede that they're part of the problem too. At least I admit there are bad students and parents. You on the other hand things the bad teachers are few and far in between. How can you have an honest discussion about a solution when you're not aware of the whole complex problem?
Participant[quote=CA renter]
I didn’t say that the teacher was right, only that we need to know the context in order to truly understand what was going on. I always want to know the context before making judgement about anyone or anything. [/quote]You’re right you didn’t. But you did give a host of excuse on why a teacher might say those things without knowing the whole context. You could have just said I don’t know the whole context, so I won’t comment. But you did comment.[quote=CA renter]And when was the last time you were the sole person in charge of 20+ kids for 6+ hours, much less on a daily basis? And were there any expectations of you, outside of simply controlling them, like your having to teach them a lesson so that every single one of them was proficient at the end of the lesson? Did you have control over which children you were in charge of, or were they randomly assigned to you from a pool of students that included children who were learning disabled, violent, defiant, etc.? [/quote]You ask for a bet to see if I can handle 20 kids for 5-6 hours. I said I’d take you up on that bet. I never said I’m a professional teacher. Why offer a bet to a person you know is not a professional teacher, only to ask for requirement that you know the other person doesn’t have? What’s your point?
[quote=CA renter]Since you seem to think that you could keep your cool in any situation, how would you have handled these students?(I get the message this guy is trying to make, but he focuses too much on the man vs. woman issue, my focus is on the video he shows.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Fj3nNnAnU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFBAk4qcoNA
I’m honestly interested in hearing about your methods that would enable you to keep your cool and not say anything that a student or parent might find even the least bit offensive.[/quote]To solve a lot of the issues in these video, I would request to have a video camera constantly recording the classroom.
1. First video, I don’t understand why the teacher was going crazy. Is it because they were laughing at him?
2. I would have called security immediately and have that student removed from the classroom.
3. I would have called security immediately and have that student removed from the classroom.
4. I would do the same thing that teacher did. Let authority handle it.
5. Stick and stone… You know, that one phrase that we were taught growing up? But seriously, what’s the purpose of a bus monitor? I don’t understand what’s her core responsibility.As I said before, I’m totally for segregation of student base on behavior/desire to learn/IQ. Those who do not have a desire to learn and abuse teacher should either be put in something along the line of boot camp. I never said all students are good. Learning is a privilege. If you don’t want to learn, there are plenty of things they can do, but being in a classroom with others who want to learn is not one of them.
Lastly, I would support a 3 strike & you’re out type of law. Have cameras in every classroom. If the student abuse the teacher 3 times, you’re out of the school. Have security monitor those cameras and when they see stuff like that happen, intervene immediately. Teachers shouldn’t need to get physical or deal w/ those kinds of situations. That’s what security is there for. Kids will definitely think twice about the stuff they do if they know they’re being watched and there are harsh consequences for their actions.
April 8, 2014 at 5:02 PM in reply to: Advice sought on renting out old house versus selling and taking the money #772645Participant[quote=spdrun]
IMO, and this is not advice, I don’t think you can go wrong holding onto investment property in San Diego. That said, given the volatility of the current economic climate, this would hold as long as you know you can afford to do so, even if there is another downturn in the real estate market, and, if you know you will not need the cash for any other of life’s many surprises.
If this holds true for the house, it will also hold true for something returning closer to 6%. So selling and buying other things in CA may not be a bad idea.[/quote]If you sell, you have to pay RE fees. That 5-6% on a $700k house is $35-42k. So, if you sell one $700k house that’s making you 3.5% and buy 2 places ($350k each) that make you 6% (normally) wouldn’t be 6% if you count in the $35-42k RE fee. Now, if you refi out and buy more properties, that might make more sense.
April 8, 2014 at 4:12 PM in reply to: Advice sought on renting out old house versus selling and taking the money #772643Participant[quote=The-Shoveler]
I think that once you turn it into a rental for 5 years you can kiss your tax free money away and you could also pass the new rental and assets as well.[/quote]
Not entirely true. You can move back in for 2 years and then sell.Participant[quote=CA renter]I’m willing to bet that if we were to record all the goings-on at your house when you had 20 kids there every weeekday for a year (including disrespectful ones, angry ones, ones who never listen to you, etc.), we’d hear things that would make most people want to call CPS on you. I’d lay money on it. Now imagine if we could cut away all of the conversation before and after the worst thing you’d say so that we don’t have context, how do you think that would sound?[/quote]I’d take that bet. What would I get if I win? FYI, school hours is only ~6 hours. You provide the kids/classroom and I’ll do the teaching.
But really, if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Don’t make excuses. That’s what being a teacher is all about. I seen great teachers who can control the class easily. Make the topic fun and the students enjoy learning. I’ve also seen bad teachers who lose control of the class or don’t know how to teach the topic and keep the student engage. The students get bored and act out.
As for your context argument, you might not have context but those who are involve do. You have no context, yet your first response is, the teacher is right. It’s the kids who cause the teachers to do/say those bad things. Seriously, if that’s logic, there’s nothing more to discuss.
Participant[quote=CA renter]AN, flu was directing that last part at me. He’s not trying to make an actual point.[/quote]Whether he’s directing that at you or not is irrelevant. I totally agree with him that those are crappy teachers. But IMHO, those are not the worse. The worse teachers are those that belittle, demean,abuse, etc their students.
But it’s a little sickening to hear you defend them so easily (even though you say you don’t condone those behavior). If you defended those teachers so easily, how can I take anything you say as objective and unbiased analysis of the situation?
Participant[quote=flu][quote=AN][quote=scaredyclassic]SCHOOL IS HELL, by matt groening.
so few citations to the simpson’s creator’s presimpsonian pivotal work, yet it covers virtually everything one needs to know about education.[/quote]Only if you have a crappy teacher. I actually enjoyed schools most of the time.[/quote]
A crappy teacher by itself isn’t a problem.. I had a few crappy teachers that made it fun just going to class, because we didn’t have to do much…
A crappy teacher that *thinks* they are hot sh!t and feels compelled to exercise a certain level of authority on a subject matter while obviously being incompetent….can be miserable..Especially if you’re someone that can’t stand bullsh!t…
I hate people who talk and talk but can’t do…Talkers just suck…
Some people have this problem that for every 1 thing they do, they’ll talk it up with like 4 lines of bullsh!t. I prefer the folks that do 4 things and take 1 line or less to tell you what they did…[/quote]I totally agree. The crappy teachers I had were benign, so, it was fun, because I slept in those class and still get an easy A. The crappy teacher I was referring to are those who are the type you’re describing or much worse. The worse one are the ones that belittle the children, abuse the children, demean the children, etc. Those are the teachers that make school hell.Participant[quote=CA renter]In general, the parents who are most critical of the teachers are the stay-at-home moms who have no life outside of their children, and who have managed to maintain a 7th-grade emotional disposition WRT malicious gossiping, cattiness, and insecurity.
The parents who help their kids the most are the ones who work with their children when the kids are in their care, and then send well-rested, well-fed children to school who are ready, willing, and able to stay on task and not cause problems in the classroom.[/quote]Just as I expected and stated. You want parents to be involve, but only limit to the classroom door and supposed to completely trust the education of their kids to someone else. You’re hoping for an ideal that’s very rare. The parents who take an active role in their kids’ education will also be active in PTO, volunteer in the classroom, take their kids to various activities and know the life/capability of their kids. It’s very rare to have the type of parents you’re describing.
As for the stay at home moms, that’s exactly what I said. The parents who are most critical are the parents who are most involved. You can’t be that involve in your kids’ education when you’re working 10-12 hours/day. When you’re extremely involve, you’ll see the inadequacy of the teacher teaching their kids, why is why they’re critical about it. As for the traits you describe of the stay at home moms, I don’t think it has anything to do w/ stay at home mom but more about a particular type of woman.
FYI, I never imply that there are as many bad teachers as bad parents. But that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. I said that you expect parents to be involve in their kids’ education, but suppose to listen to the teacher 100%, as if the teacher knows everything about your kids. Sorry but real life doesn’t work that way.
Just because the role of a parent is different than a teacher does not mean a parent does not know/see when their kids’ teachers are not good or are inadequate for their children. After all, as you said, a teacher have to manage a lot of kids. Some are better at it than others. But parents who are involve and know their kids will see when the kids are being taught by a good teacher and when they’re being neglected by a bad teacher. To parents have no clue of what a good teacher look like is pretty out of touch. But, that might explain your thinking.
BTW, aren’t you a stay at home mom? Aren’t all home schooling moms are stay at home moms?
April 7, 2014 at 8:51 PM in reply to: Advice sought on renting out old house versus selling and taking the money #772603ParticipantCricket, you point 1 & 2 are covered by property insurance. Since OP bought the house for $350k, his monthly property tax should be around $300. $300/month seems high for property management. Ive seen them around $100/month. 3% for improvement seems high. It’s a rental, not a primary residence. I don’t even spend that much on my primary. Keep in mind that 3&4 are deductible and so is home insurance.
April 7, 2014 at 5:17 PM in reply to: Advice sought on renting out old house versus selling and taking the money #772596ParticipantI depends on your age and if you need the rental income now for expenditure or if you’re still in the wealth accumulation stage. If you’re counting on the rental income to live, I’d rent it out. If you’re in the wealth accumulation stage, I would refi, take some money out and buy more rentals. A loan will help reduce your taxes as well, how much savings depends on large your loan is. If you have a big enough loan, you can technically count it as a loss in the IRS’s eyes because of the various deductions.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]SCHOOL IS HELL, by matt groening.
so few citations to the simpson’s creator’s presimpsonian pivotal work, yet it covers virtually everything one needs to know about education.[/quote]Only if you have a crappy teacher. I actually enjoyed schools most of the time.
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