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Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantRus: Geez, man, let the empire thing go, will you? We’re not an empire. We might be hegemonic, though.
I wasn’t aware I was demonizing anyone. Give me an example, please.
For the record, I did not ascribe education to any of the various times we locked it up over various issues. I don’t deny feeling strongly about certain things, but I don’t feel as though I have ever made it personal. If I am wrong on this, please tell me. Sincerely. I’d like to know, because that is not how I try to conduct myself.
ParticipantRus: Geez, man, let the empire thing go, will you? We’re not an empire. We might be hegemonic, though.
I wasn’t aware I was demonizing anyone. Give me an example, please.
For the record, I did not ascribe education to any of the various times we locked it up over various issues. I don’t deny feeling strongly about certain things, but I don’t feel as though I have ever made it personal. If I am wrong on this, please tell me. Sincerely. I’d like to know, because that is not how I try to conduct myself.
ParticipantRus: Geez, man, let the empire thing go, will you? We’re not an empire. We might be hegemonic, though.
I wasn’t aware I was demonizing anyone. Give me an example, please.
For the record, I did not ascribe education to any of the various times we locked it up over various issues. I don’t deny feeling strongly about certain things, but I don’t feel as though I have ever made it personal. If I am wrong on this, please tell me. Sincerely. I’d like to know, because that is not how I try to conduct myself.
ParticipantRus: I disagree. I think gold makes some excellent points. The problem is that any mention of the underlying motives driving the Left are immediately demonized and deemed racist. Far from it. What he was saying is not only true, but easily proved.
Look at the Left’s embracing of various groups (regardless of substance) and solely because of color, gender or orientation. If you attempt to attack these groups based on their politics, or beliefs, or policies, you become racist, or sexist or homophobic.
While the GOP and the Right are often accused (rightly) of conducting smear campaigns, the Dems and the Left are equally adept.
When confronted with a strong line of attack, Drunkle fell back on a common theme: Accuse the accuser of a more serious, but completely unrelated, flaw. In this case, racism.
This is why having an open discourse and dialogue of any productivity is near dead in this country at this time. It’s sad really.
ParticipantRus: I disagree. I think gold makes some excellent points. The problem is that any mention of the underlying motives driving the Left are immediately demonized and deemed racist. Far from it. What he was saying is not only true, but easily proved.
Look at the Left’s embracing of various groups (regardless of substance) and solely because of color, gender or orientation. If you attempt to attack these groups based on their politics, or beliefs, or policies, you become racist, or sexist or homophobic.
While the GOP and the Right are often accused (rightly) of conducting smear campaigns, the Dems and the Left are equally adept.
When confronted with a strong line of attack, Drunkle fell back on a common theme: Accuse the accuser of a more serious, but completely unrelated, flaw. In this case, racism.
This is why having an open discourse and dialogue of any productivity is near dead in this country at this time. It’s sad really.
ParticipantRus: I disagree. I think gold makes some excellent points. The problem is that any mention of the underlying motives driving the Left are immediately demonized and deemed racist. Far from it. What he was saying is not only true, but easily proved.
Look at the Left’s embracing of various groups (regardless of substance) and solely because of color, gender or orientation. If you attempt to attack these groups based on their politics, or beliefs, or policies, you become racist, or sexist or homophobic.
While the GOP and the Right are often accused (rightly) of conducting smear campaigns, the Dems and the Left are equally adept.
When confronted with a strong line of attack, Drunkle fell back on a common theme: Accuse the accuser of a more serious, but completely unrelated, flaw. In this case, racism.
This is why having an open discourse and dialogue of any productivity is near dead in this country at this time. It’s sad really.
ParticipantRus: I disagree. I think gold makes some excellent points. The problem is that any mention of the underlying motives driving the Left are immediately demonized and deemed racist. Far from it. What he was saying is not only true, but easily proved.
Look at the Left’s embracing of various groups (regardless of substance) and solely because of color, gender or orientation. If you attempt to attack these groups based on their politics, or beliefs, or policies, you become racist, or sexist or homophobic.
While the GOP and the Right are often accused (rightly) of conducting smear campaigns, the Dems and the Left are equally adept.
When confronted with a strong line of attack, Drunkle fell back on a common theme: Accuse the accuser of a more serious, but completely unrelated, flaw. In this case, racism.
This is why having an open discourse and dialogue of any productivity is near dead in this country at this time. It’s sad really.
ParticipantRus: I disagree. I think gold makes some excellent points. The problem is that any mention of the underlying motives driving the Left are immediately demonized and deemed racist. Far from it. What he was saying is not only true, but easily proved.
Look at the Left’s embracing of various groups (regardless of substance) and solely because of color, gender or orientation. If you attempt to attack these groups based on their politics, or beliefs, or policies, you become racist, or sexist or homophobic.
While the GOP and the Right are often accused (rightly) of conducting smear campaigns, the Dems and the Left are equally adept.
When confronted with a strong line of attack, Drunkle fell back on a common theme: Accuse the accuser of a more serious, but completely unrelated, flaw. In this case, racism.
This is why having an open discourse and dialogue of any productivity is near dead in this country at this time. It’s sad really.
ParticipantIrish: Let me get something right out of the way up front: I did not vote for Dubya in either election. Moreover, I find his conduct in avoiding service during Vietnam reprehensible. I served in the Army for five years, and I consider his conduct cowardice (as I consider Bill Clinton’s as well). That being said, John Kerry grossly inflated his service record, claiming credit where he should not have. Additionally, the comments he made about American servicemen and their actions in Vietnam, were and are unconscionable.
ParticipantIrish: Let me get something right out of the way up front: I did not vote for Dubya in either election. Moreover, I find his conduct in avoiding service during Vietnam reprehensible. I served in the Army for five years, and I consider his conduct cowardice (as I consider Bill Clinton’s as well). That being said, John Kerry grossly inflated his service record, claiming credit where he should not have. Additionally, the comments he made about American servicemen and their actions in Vietnam, were and are unconscionable.
ParticipantIrish: Let me get something right out of the way up front: I did not vote for Dubya in either election. Moreover, I find his conduct in avoiding service during Vietnam reprehensible. I served in the Army for five years, and I consider his conduct cowardice (as I consider Bill Clinton’s as well). That being said, John Kerry grossly inflated his service record, claiming credit where he should not have. Additionally, the comments he made about American servicemen and their actions in Vietnam, were and are unconscionable.
ParticipantIrish: Let me get something right out of the way up front: I did not vote for Dubya in either election. Moreover, I find his conduct in avoiding service during Vietnam reprehensible. I served in the Army for five years, and I consider his conduct cowardice (as I consider Bill Clinton’s as well). That being said, John Kerry grossly inflated his service record, claiming credit where he should not have. Additionally, the comments he made about American servicemen and their actions in Vietnam, were and are unconscionable.
ParticipantIrish: Let me get something right out of the way up front: I did not vote for Dubya in either election. Moreover, I find his conduct in avoiding service during Vietnam reprehensible. I served in the Army for five years, and I consider his conduct cowardice (as I consider Bill Clinton’s as well). That being said, John Kerry grossly inflated his service record, claiming credit where he should not have. Additionally, the comments he made about American servicemen and their actions in Vietnam, were and are unconscionable.
Participantdrunkle: Fair enough. Rather than pen some overlong response citing chapter and verse, I will confine myself to just hitting the high notes.
In her new book, Wolf uses two extremely preposterous examples as America’s new “fascist drift” and supposed totalitarian repression of “free speaking” individuals. These are Lynne Stewart, who was convicted of aiding and abetting the work of Sheikh Rahman (a convicted terrorist of some note and dedicated anti-American), as well as Adam Gadahn, the self-professed American “voice” of al Qaeda. According to Wolf, the US government’s case against both of these individuals was nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to silence dissent and “free speakers”. She completely ignores the facts of both cases, as well as failing to note that both individuals were convicted by properly empaneled juries under the watchful eye of both journalists and academics, who would have been the first to cry out if anything untoward were to take place.
She also compares certain safety measures in place at various airports as being in line with security measures practiced by Mussolini’s secret police. These include random checks of baggage and verification that items are what they are represented to be. According to her, Mussolini’s police used similar methods as a means of repression and keeping the populace in line. She attempts to conflate the TSA (Transportation Security Administration) with Mussolini’s secret police, as well as drawing parallels between the use of the word “heimat” (homeland) by the Nazis during the 1930s and 1940s, and America’s creation of a Department of “Homeland” Security. Apparently, our use of the word Homeland and the Nazi use of the word Homeland is not a coincidence. Rather it points to our drift into fascism. I guess it is good we didn’t name it the Department of Fatherland Security.
Her scholarship is sloppy in the sense that she inaptly draws her conclusions between present day US and Hitler’s Germany and Mussolini’s Italy. Simply saying that modern America is “like” fascist Italy or Nazi Germany does not constitute a completed argument. Nor does her hysteria when it comes to implying that somehow the government will come after her personally once it gets wind of her book.
There are quite a few other examples as well. Her book “The Beauty Myth” was shredded by a large number of reviewers (who were largely non-partisan on the issue of feminism), and again largely for the same reasons.
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