[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: I am not apologizing for gold, nor am I defending him/her. He/She seems perfectly capable of doing that himself/herself.

My interpretation of that phrase is this (and it goes hand in hand with the terms “Left” and “extreme left wing”): The reactionary wing of the Democratic Party has elevated people of color, and specifically blacks, into a nearly exalted position, and one above question and/or reproach.

I’d like to use both Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as examples. I won’t stoop to using the term “poverty pimps”, but it is both applicable and apropos. Both of them have made a career out of attacking whites (specifically those whites that run “The Establishment”) and the various depredations that these self-same whites have perpetrated on the black race.

Race norming, the supposed “racial bias” of the SATs, the notion that the CIA was behind getting black vets hooked on heroin (post-Vietnam) or moving cocaine/crack into ghettos (1980s), the list is extensive. Both of them have made comments and/or been involved in incidents that, were they white, would have drawn howls of condemnation. Think Jackson’s “Hymie-town” remark about NYC, or Sharpton’s involvement with the Tawana Brawley hoax. None of this has drawn so much as a peep out of the Dems.

It would certainly seem that the extreme left does indeed love melanin. And note that I am using the term “left” in place of “liberal”. I have nothing against liberals (in the truest and best interpretation of the word), and I think liberal democracy is a positive force for good in the world.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: I am not apologizing for gold, nor am I defending him/her. He/She seems perfectly capable of doing that himself/herself.

My interpretation of that phrase is this (and it goes hand in hand with the terms “Left” and “extreme left wing”): The reactionary wing of the Democratic Party has elevated people of color, and specifically blacks, into a nearly exalted position, and one above question and/or reproach.

I’d like to use both Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as examples. I won’t stoop to using the term “poverty pimps”, but it is both applicable and apropos. Both of them have made a career out of attacking whites (specifically those whites that run “The Establishment”) and the various depredations that these self-same whites have perpetrated on the black race.

Race norming, the supposed “racial bias” of the SATs, the notion that the CIA was behind getting black vets hooked on heroin (post-Vietnam) or moving cocaine/crack into ghettos (1980s), the list is extensive. Both of them have made comments and/or been involved in incidents that, were they white, would have drawn howls of condemnation. Think Jackson’s “Hymie-town” remark about NYC, or Sharpton’s involvement with the Tawana Brawley hoax. None of this has drawn so much as a peep out of the Dems.

It would certainly seem that the extreme left does indeed love melanin. And note that I am using the term “left” in place of “liberal”. I have nothing against liberals (in the truest and best interpretation of the word), and I think liberal democracy is a positive force for good in the world.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: I am not apologizing for gold, nor am I defending him/her. He/She seems perfectly capable of doing that himself/herself.

My interpretation of that phrase is this (and it goes hand in hand with the terms “Left” and “extreme left wing”): The reactionary wing of the Democratic Party has elevated people of color, and specifically blacks, into a nearly exalted position, and one above question and/or reproach.

I’d like to use both Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as examples. I won’t stoop to using the term “poverty pimps”, but it is both applicable and apropos. Both of them have made a career out of attacking whites (specifically those whites that run “The Establishment”) and the various depredations that these self-same whites have perpetrated on the black race.

Race norming, the supposed “racial bias” of the SATs, the notion that the CIA was behind getting black vets hooked on heroin (post-Vietnam) or moving cocaine/crack into ghettos (1980s), the list is extensive. Both of them have made comments and/or been involved in incidents that, were they white, would have drawn howls of condemnation. Think Jackson’s “Hymie-town” remark about NYC, or Sharpton’s involvement with the Tawana Brawley hoax. None of this has drawn so much as a peep out of the Dems.

It would certainly seem that the extreme left does indeed love melanin. And note that I am using the term “left” in place of “liberal”. I have nothing against liberals (in the truest and best interpretation of the word), and I think liberal democracy is a positive force for good in the world.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: I am not apologizing for gold, nor am I defending him/her. He/She seems perfectly capable of doing that himself/herself.

My interpretation of that phrase is this (and it goes hand in hand with the terms “Left” and “extreme left wing”): The reactionary wing of the Democratic Party has elevated people of color, and specifically blacks, into a nearly exalted position, and one above question and/or reproach.

I’d like to use both Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as examples. I won’t stoop to using the term “poverty pimps”, but it is both applicable and apropos. Both of them have made a career out of attacking whites (specifically those whites that run “The Establishment”) and the various depredations that these self-same whites have perpetrated on the black race.

Race norming, the supposed “racial bias” of the SATs, the notion that the CIA was behind getting black vets hooked on heroin (post-Vietnam) or moving cocaine/crack into ghettos (1980s), the list is extensive. Both of them have made comments and/or been involved in incidents that, were they white, would have drawn howls of condemnation. Think Jackson’s “Hymie-town” remark about NYC, or Sharpton’s involvement with the Tawana Brawley hoax. None of this has drawn so much as a peep out of the Dems.

It would certainly seem that the extreme left does indeed love melanin. And note that I am using the term “left” in place of “liberal”. I have nothing against liberals (in the truest and best interpretation of the word), and I think liberal democracy is a positive force for good in the world.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Your use of the term “nigger lover” is what prompted my response. I don’t feel that gold was drawing that conclusion at all. Rather, I felt he was making the valid point that the left in this country have embraced certain groups and causes solely because of skin color, gender or orientation.

Examples would include GALA, the completely fabricated holiday Kwanzaa, and NOW.

These groups, causes, etc are held completely above reproach by the extreme left wing of the Dems, and any attempt to question them draws immediate and vitriolic reproach.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Your use of the term “nigger lover” is what prompted my response. I don’t feel that gold was drawing that conclusion at all. Rather, I felt he was making the valid point that the left in this country have embraced certain groups and causes solely because of skin color, gender or orientation.

Examples would include GALA, the completely fabricated holiday Kwanzaa, and NOW.

These groups, causes, etc are held completely above reproach by the extreme left wing of the Dems, and any attempt to question them draws immediate and vitriolic reproach.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Your use of the term “nigger lover” is what prompted my response. I don’t feel that gold was drawing that conclusion at all. Rather, I felt he was making the valid point that the left in this country have embraced certain groups and causes solely because of skin color, gender or orientation.

Examples would include GALA, the completely fabricated holiday Kwanzaa, and NOW.

These groups, causes, etc are held completely above reproach by the extreme left wing of the Dems, and any attempt to question them draws immediate and vitriolic reproach.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Your use of the term “nigger lover” is what prompted my response. I don’t feel that gold was drawing that conclusion at all. Rather, I felt he was making the valid point that the left in this country have embraced certain groups and causes solely because of skin color, gender or orientation.

Examples would include GALA, the completely fabricated holiday Kwanzaa, and NOW.

These groups, causes, etc are held completely above reproach by the extreme left wing of the Dems, and any attempt to question them draws immediate and vitriolic reproach.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Your use of the term “nigger lover” is what prompted my response. I don’t feel that gold was drawing that conclusion at all. Rather, I felt he was making the valid point that the left in this country have embraced certain groups and causes solely because of skin color, gender or orientation.

Examples would include GALA, the completely fabricated holiday Kwanzaa, and NOW.

These groups, causes, etc are held completely above reproach by the extreme left wing of the Dems, and any attempt to question them draws immediate and vitriolic reproach.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Understood. My issue is that any strongly stated opinion becomes ad hominem. My understanding of the term indicates that it means a personal attack without basis.

While you weren’t necessarily soliciting what I followed up with, it does make the point that one can make the point that someone is a dolt, and then drive it home with examples.

I don’t use the term “dolt” lightly, either. Nor do I reserve it solely for Lefties. Plenty of those on the right have earned the moniker as well.

I made the point on another thread (using you, as a matter of fact), that we are throwing certain terms around, rather than facing off and arguing the facts or being forced to support our assertions with examples. I don’t consider gold to be a racist. While he might have been more delicate in stating his position, I don’t feel it was without merit.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Understood. My issue is that any strongly stated opinion becomes ad hominem. My understanding of the term indicates that it means a personal attack without basis.

While you weren’t necessarily soliciting what I followed up with, it does make the point that one can make the point that someone is a dolt, and then drive it home with examples.

I don’t use the term “dolt” lightly, either. Nor do I reserve it solely for Lefties. Plenty of those on the right have earned the moniker as well.

I made the point on another thread (using you, as a matter of fact), that we are throwing certain terms around, rather than facing off and arguing the facts or being forced to support our assertions with examples. I don’t consider gold to be a racist. While he might have been more delicate in stating his position, I don’t feel it was without merit.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Understood. My issue is that any strongly stated opinion becomes ad hominem. My understanding of the term indicates that it means a personal attack without basis.

While you weren’t necessarily soliciting what I followed up with, it does make the point that one can make the point that someone is a dolt, and then drive it home with examples.

I don’t use the term “dolt” lightly, either. Nor do I reserve it solely for Lefties. Plenty of those on the right have earned the moniker as well.

I made the point on another thread (using you, as a matter of fact), that we are throwing certain terms around, rather than facing off and arguing the facts or being forced to support our assertions with examples. I don’t consider gold to be a racist. While he might have been more delicate in stating his position, I don’t feel it was without merit.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Understood. My issue is that any strongly stated opinion becomes ad hominem. My understanding of the term indicates that it means a personal attack without basis.

While you weren’t necessarily soliciting what I followed up with, it does make the point that one can make the point that someone is a dolt, and then drive it home with examples.

I don’t use the term “dolt” lightly, either. Nor do I reserve it solely for Lefties. Plenty of those on the right have earned the moniker as well.

I made the point on another thread (using you, as a matter of fact), that we are throwing certain terms around, rather than facing off and arguing the facts or being forced to support our assertions with examples. I don’t consider gold to be a racist. While he might have been more delicate in stating his position, I don’t feel it was without merit.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Understood. My issue is that any strongly stated opinion becomes ad hominem. My understanding of the term indicates that it means a personal attack without basis.

While you weren’t necessarily soliciting what I followed up with, it does make the point that one can make the point that someone is a dolt, and then drive it home with examples.

I don’t use the term “dolt” lightly, either. Nor do I reserve it solely for Lefties. Plenty of those on the right have earned the moniker as well.

I made the point on another thread (using you, as a matter of fact), that we are throwing certain terms around, rather than facing off and arguing the facts or being forced to support our assertions with examples. I don’t consider gold to be a racist. While he might have been more delicate in stating his position, I don’t feel it was without merit.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: Geez, man, let the empire thing go, will you? We’re not an empire. We might be hegemonic, though.

I wasn’t aware I was demonizing anyone. Give me an example, please.

For the record, I did not ascribe education to any of the various times we locked it up over various issues. I don’t deny feeling strongly about certain things, but I don’t feel as though I have ever made it personal. If I am wrong on this, please tell me. Sincerely. I’d like to know, because that is not how I try to conduct myself.

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