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Participantdrunkle: I could argue that gold’s post wasn’t ad hominem, but I would be wrong, and we both know it. However, parts of it were not, and correctly made the point that Wolf, like Kunstler, or Chomsky, is a hack. That is not ad hominem, and is fully supported by facts.
This discussion between you and I (on this thread and the other) underscores an unfortunate point: We get caught up in parsing words, or arguing certain portions of a posting, that we lose the overall tenor of the argument and start bandying semantics.
Participantdrunkle: I could argue that gold’s post wasn’t ad hominem, but I would be wrong, and we both know it. However, parts of it were not, and correctly made the point that Wolf, like Kunstler, or Chomsky, is a hack. That is not ad hominem, and is fully supported by facts.
This discussion between you and I (on this thread and the other) underscores an unfortunate point: We get caught up in parsing words, or arguing certain portions of a posting, that we lose the overall tenor of the argument and start bandying semantics.
Participantdrunkle: I could argue that gold’s post wasn’t ad hominem, but I would be wrong, and we both know it. However, parts of it were not, and correctly made the point that Wolf, like Kunstler, or Chomsky, is a hack. That is not ad hominem, and is fully supported by facts.
This discussion between you and I (on this thread and the other) underscores an unfortunate point: We get caught up in parsing words, or arguing certain portions of a posting, that we lose the overall tenor of the argument and start bandying semantics.
Participantdrunkle: True, on the Al/Jesse question, but not for the reason you are implying. Rather, the Dems (like the Repubs) are in the business of winning elections. Like it or not, neither was perceived as a potential winner, much the same way that Alan Keyes is not perceived as a winner by the Republicans. Nothing to do with either love, or Christian Love, but the calculus of taking the White House.
No, on the question of exalting blacks versus nigger lover. It does not, and should not. Rather it means embracing a cause, ideology or issue without being willing to subject it to question or scrutiny.
Racism absolutely exists, and it always has. It always will. Sad, but a fact of human nature. We’re tribal by nature, and regardless of color, always will be.
Participantdrunkle: True, on the Al/Jesse question, but not for the reason you are implying. Rather, the Dems (like the Repubs) are in the business of winning elections. Like it or not, neither was perceived as a potential winner, much the same way that Alan Keyes is not perceived as a winner by the Republicans. Nothing to do with either love, or Christian Love, but the calculus of taking the White House.
No, on the question of exalting blacks versus nigger lover. It does not, and should not. Rather it means embracing a cause, ideology or issue without being willing to subject it to question or scrutiny.
Racism absolutely exists, and it always has. It always will. Sad, but a fact of human nature. We’re tribal by nature, and regardless of color, always will be.
Participantdrunkle: True, on the Al/Jesse question, but not for the reason you are implying. Rather, the Dems (like the Repubs) are in the business of winning elections. Like it or not, neither was perceived as a potential winner, much the same way that Alan Keyes is not perceived as a winner by the Republicans. Nothing to do with either love, or Christian Love, but the calculus of taking the White House.
No, on the question of exalting blacks versus nigger lover. It does not, and should not. Rather it means embracing a cause, ideology or issue without being willing to subject it to question or scrutiny.
Racism absolutely exists, and it always has. It always will. Sad, but a fact of human nature. We’re tribal by nature, and regardless of color, always will be.
Participantdrunkle: True, on the Al/Jesse question, but not for the reason you are implying. Rather, the Dems (like the Repubs) are in the business of winning elections. Like it or not, neither was perceived as a potential winner, much the same way that Alan Keyes is not perceived as a winner by the Republicans. Nothing to do with either love, or Christian Love, but the calculus of taking the White House.
No, on the question of exalting blacks versus nigger lover. It does not, and should not. Rather it means embracing a cause, ideology or issue without being willing to subject it to question or scrutiny.
Racism absolutely exists, and it always has. It always will. Sad, but a fact of human nature. We’re tribal by nature, and regardless of color, always will be.
Participantdrunkle: True, on the Al/Jesse question, but not for the reason you are implying. Rather, the Dems (like the Repubs) are in the business of winning elections. Like it or not, neither was perceived as a potential winner, much the same way that Alan Keyes is not perceived as a winner by the Republicans. Nothing to do with either love, or Christian Love, but the calculus of taking the White House.
No, on the question of exalting blacks versus nigger lover. It does not, and should not. Rather it means embracing a cause, ideology or issue without being willing to subject it to question or scrutiny.
Racism absolutely exists, and it always has. It always will. Sad, but a fact of human nature. We’re tribal by nature, and regardless of color, always will be.
ParticipantRicechex: Nope, not an admiral. Not even ex-Navy, as a matter of fact. Just a lowly former Army 1st Lieutenant, actually. Thanks for the compliment. I don’t think I am earning any plaudits or friends over the last couple of days! Even Rustico is coming after me now.
ParticipantRicechex: Nope, not an admiral. Not even ex-Navy, as a matter of fact. Just a lowly former Army 1st Lieutenant, actually. Thanks for the compliment. I don’t think I am earning any plaudits or friends over the last couple of days! Even Rustico is coming after me now.
ParticipantRicechex: Nope, not an admiral. Not even ex-Navy, as a matter of fact. Just a lowly former Army 1st Lieutenant, actually. Thanks for the compliment. I don’t think I am earning any plaudits or friends over the last couple of days! Even Rustico is coming after me now.
ParticipantRicechex: Nope, not an admiral. Not even ex-Navy, as a matter of fact. Just a lowly former Army 1st Lieutenant, actually. Thanks for the compliment. I don’t think I am earning any plaudits or friends over the last couple of days! Even Rustico is coming after me now.
ParticipantRicechex: Nope, not an admiral. Not even ex-Navy, as a matter of fact. Just a lowly former Army 1st Lieutenant, actually. Thanks for the compliment. I don’t think I am earning any plaudits or friends over the last couple of days! Even Rustico is coming after me now.
Participantdrunkle: I am not apologizing for gold, nor am I defending him/her. He/She seems perfectly capable of doing that himself/herself.
My interpretation of that phrase is this (and it goes hand in hand with the terms “Left” and “extreme left wing”): The reactionary wing of the Democratic Party has elevated people of color, and specifically blacks, into a nearly exalted position, and one above question and/or reproach.
I’d like to use both Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as examples. I won’t stoop to using the term “poverty pimps”, but it is both applicable and apropos. Both of them have made a career out of attacking whites (specifically those whites that run “The Establishment”) and the various depredations that these self-same whites have perpetrated on the black race.
Race norming, the supposed “racial bias” of the SATs, the notion that the CIA was behind getting black vets hooked on heroin (post-Vietnam) or moving cocaine/crack into ghettos (1980s), the list is extensive. Both of them have made comments and/or been involved in incidents that, were they white, would have drawn howls of condemnation. Think Jackson’s “Hymie-town” remark about NYC, or Sharpton’s involvement with the Tawana Brawley hoax. None of this has drawn so much as a peep out of the Dems.
It would certainly seem that the extreme left does indeed love melanin. And note that I am using the term “left” in place of “liberal”. I have nothing against liberals (in the truest and best interpretation of the word), and I think liberal democracy is a positive force for good in the world.
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