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Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantFLU: My old man was an aerospace engineer for Ford Aerospace in Palo Alto back in the early 1970s through the late 1980s (when he retired).
He worked on the Intelsat and Milsat (intelligence and military satellites, like the KH-11 Vulture) programs and had Top Secret clearance. He had worked on the F4 Phantom avionics program in El Segundo prior to that, where he also had a Top Secret clearance.
There was an instance when a Top Secret document was misplaced and they locked his building down for a day and a half, trying to find it. They even called in a USAF investigator following, and went through a rigorous teardown of existing procedures to make sure it didn’t happen again.
I grew up in the Bay Area during a period when defense companies like Lockheed, Ford Aerospace and the NAS Moffett/NASA Ames complex employed a lot of people, many of whom had Top Secret clearances. I also remember the fact that most of those folks did NOT discuss the projects or programs they were working on, simply because the risks were too high and you never knew who was listening (like when they discovered a Polish government spy posing as a janitor at Western Digital out in Sunnyvale).
The idea that some intern is running around with access to Top Secret data is hooey. Pure and simple.
ParticipantFLU: My old man was an aerospace engineer for Ford Aerospace in Palo Alto back in the early 1970s through the late 1980s (when he retired).
He worked on the Intelsat and Milsat (intelligence and military satellites, like the KH-11 Vulture) programs and had Top Secret clearance. He had worked on the F4 Phantom avionics program in El Segundo prior to that, where he also had a Top Secret clearance.
There was an instance when a Top Secret document was misplaced and they locked his building down for a day and a half, trying to find it. They even called in a USAF investigator following, and went through a rigorous teardown of existing procedures to make sure it didn’t happen again.
I grew up in the Bay Area during a period when defense companies like Lockheed, Ford Aerospace and the NAS Moffett/NASA Ames complex employed a lot of people, many of whom had Top Secret clearances. I also remember the fact that most of those folks did NOT discuss the projects or programs they were working on, simply because the risks were too high and you never knew who was listening (like when they discovered a Polish government spy posing as a janitor at Western Digital out in Sunnyvale).
The idea that some intern is running around with access to Top Secret data is hooey. Pure and simple.
ParticipantFLU: My old man was an aerospace engineer for Ford Aerospace in Palo Alto back in the early 1970s through the late 1980s (when he retired).
He worked on the Intelsat and Milsat (intelligence and military satellites, like the KH-11 Vulture) programs and had Top Secret clearance. He had worked on the F4 Phantom avionics program in El Segundo prior to that, where he also had a Top Secret clearance.
There was an instance when a Top Secret document was misplaced and they locked his building down for a day and a half, trying to find it. They even called in a USAF investigator following, and went through a rigorous teardown of existing procedures to make sure it didn’t happen again.
I grew up in the Bay Area during a period when defense companies like Lockheed, Ford Aerospace and the NAS Moffett/NASA Ames complex employed a lot of people, many of whom had Top Secret clearances. I also remember the fact that most of those folks did NOT discuss the projects or programs they were working on, simply because the risks were too high and you never knew who was listening (like when they discovered a Polish government spy posing as a janitor at Western Digital out in Sunnyvale).
The idea that some intern is running around with access to Top Secret data is hooey. Pure and simple.
ParticipantFLU: My old man was an aerospace engineer for Ford Aerospace in Palo Alto back in the early 1970s through the late 1980s (when he retired).
He worked on the Intelsat and Milsat (intelligence and military satellites, like the KH-11 Vulture) programs and had Top Secret clearance. He had worked on the F4 Phantom avionics program in El Segundo prior to that, where he also had a Top Secret clearance.
There was an instance when a Top Secret document was misplaced and they locked his building down for a day and a half, trying to find it. They even called in a USAF investigator following, and went through a rigorous teardown of existing procedures to make sure it didn’t happen again.
I grew up in the Bay Area during a period when defense companies like Lockheed, Ford Aerospace and the NAS Moffett/NASA Ames complex employed a lot of people, many of whom had Top Secret clearances. I also remember the fact that most of those folks did NOT discuss the projects or programs they were working on, simply because the risks were too high and you never knew who was listening (like when they discovered a Polish government spy posing as a janitor at Western Digital out in Sunnyvale).
The idea that some intern is running around with access to Top Secret data is hooey. Pure and simple.
ParticipantFLU: My old man was an aerospace engineer for Ford Aerospace in Palo Alto back in the early 1970s through the late 1980s (when he retired).
He worked on the Intelsat and Milsat (intelligence and military satellites, like the KH-11 Vulture) programs and had Top Secret clearance. He had worked on the F4 Phantom avionics program in El Segundo prior to that, where he also had a Top Secret clearance.
There was an instance when a Top Secret document was misplaced and they locked his building down for a day and a half, trying to find it. They even called in a USAF investigator following, and went through a rigorous teardown of existing procedures to make sure it didn’t happen again.
I grew up in the Bay Area during a period when defense companies like Lockheed, Ford Aerospace and the NAS Moffett/NASA Ames complex employed a lot of people, many of whom had Top Secret clearances. I also remember the fact that most of those folks did NOT discuss the projects or programs they were working on, simply because the risks were too high and you never knew who was listening (like when they discovered a Polish government spy posing as a janitor at Western Digital out in Sunnyvale).
The idea that some intern is running around with access to Top Secret data is hooey. Pure and simple.
ParticipantCoop: My grandpa was old school German (from the old country) and used to make some great brews. He and a group of his friends in Racine, WI used to make different types of beer, depending on the season.
They’d make the heavier darks during the fall and winter and the lighter brews during the spring and summer. From about 12 years of age on, I got quite an education in all the various types of German, Czech, Belgian, Dutch, French and English beers.
Gramps disdained ALL American beers and most of the British ales, stouts, porters, etc.
The best beers (in his opinion) were German, Czech and Belgian (in that order).
There are some great resources on the web for recipes.
ParticipantCoop: My grandpa was old school German (from the old country) and used to make some great brews. He and a group of his friends in Racine, WI used to make different types of beer, depending on the season.
They’d make the heavier darks during the fall and winter and the lighter brews during the spring and summer. From about 12 years of age on, I got quite an education in all the various types of German, Czech, Belgian, Dutch, French and English beers.
Gramps disdained ALL American beers and most of the British ales, stouts, porters, etc.
The best beers (in his opinion) were German, Czech and Belgian (in that order).
There are some great resources on the web for recipes.
ParticipantCoop: My grandpa was old school German (from the old country) and used to make some great brews. He and a group of his friends in Racine, WI used to make different types of beer, depending on the season.
They’d make the heavier darks during the fall and winter and the lighter brews during the spring and summer. From about 12 years of age on, I got quite an education in all the various types of German, Czech, Belgian, Dutch, French and English beers.
Gramps disdained ALL American beers and most of the British ales, stouts, porters, etc.
The best beers (in his opinion) were German, Czech and Belgian (in that order).
There are some great resources on the web for recipes.
ParticipantCoop: My grandpa was old school German (from the old country) and used to make some great brews. He and a group of his friends in Racine, WI used to make different types of beer, depending on the season.
They’d make the heavier darks during the fall and winter and the lighter brews during the spring and summer. From about 12 years of age on, I got quite an education in all the various types of German, Czech, Belgian, Dutch, French and English beers.
Gramps disdained ALL American beers and most of the British ales, stouts, porters, etc.
The best beers (in his opinion) were German, Czech and Belgian (in that order).
There are some great resources on the web for recipes.
ParticipantCoop: My grandpa was old school German (from the old country) and used to make some great brews. He and a group of his friends in Racine, WI used to make different types of beer, depending on the season.
They’d make the heavier darks during the fall and winter and the lighter brews during the spring and summer. From about 12 years of age on, I got quite an education in all the various types of German, Czech, Belgian, Dutch, French and English beers.
Gramps disdained ALL American beers and most of the British ales, stouts, porters, etc.
The best beers (in his opinion) were German, Czech and Belgian (in that order).
There are some great resources on the web for recipes.
ParticipantCONCHO: I remember visiting family in the Midwest (Wisconsin, Illinois and Michigan) during summer and winter vacations. I grew up in Northern California, and I thought these folks were backward hicks compared to how we did things up in the Bay Area.
My grandma still had her Victory Garden from WWII and raised ducks and geese (along with other barnyard critters). She DID make her own ice cream (and my grandpa made beer!). Life there had a slower pace and people had a different value system (they didn’t worship money or things, but family, friends and God).
I think a return to that style of life is actually a good thing. Especially the making your own beer part.
ParticipantCONCHO: I remember visiting family in the Midwest (Wisconsin, Illinois and Michigan) during summer and winter vacations. I grew up in Northern California, and I thought these folks were backward hicks compared to how we did things up in the Bay Area.
My grandma still had her Victory Garden from WWII and raised ducks and geese (along with other barnyard critters). She DID make her own ice cream (and my grandpa made beer!). Life there had a slower pace and people had a different value system (they didn’t worship money or things, but family, friends and God).
I think a return to that style of life is actually a good thing. Especially the making your own beer part.
ParticipantCONCHO: I remember visiting family in the Midwest (Wisconsin, Illinois and Michigan) during summer and winter vacations. I grew up in Northern California, and I thought these folks were backward hicks compared to how we did things up in the Bay Area.
My grandma still had her Victory Garden from WWII and raised ducks and geese (along with other barnyard critters). She DID make her own ice cream (and my grandpa made beer!). Life there had a slower pace and people had a different value system (they didn’t worship money or things, but family, friends and God).
I think a return to that style of life is actually a good thing. Especially the making your own beer part.
ParticipantCONCHO: I remember visiting family in the Midwest (Wisconsin, Illinois and Michigan) during summer and winter vacations. I grew up in Northern California, and I thought these folks were backward hicks compared to how we did things up in the Bay Area.
My grandma still had her Victory Garden from WWII and raised ducks and geese (along with other barnyard critters). She DID make her own ice cream (and my grandpa made beer!). Life there had a slower pace and people had a different value system (they didn’t worship money or things, but family, friends and God).
I think a return to that style of life is actually a good thing. Especially the making your own beer part.
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