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Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantSDR: Both assailants were native-born Brits. Her Majesty’s Government now advises that British soldiers not wear their uniforms in public.
Fuck that. Issue sidearms and let the games begin.
ParticipantDumbrenter: Wow. Great post and you nailed it. It’s also cool that you can maintain your optimism, and that’s not said sarcastically. In a conversation with an Army buddy, he said it’s the first time in his life that he’s actually worried about the potential future of the US.
I’ll admit that the last 10+ years have been rough, especially when one considers how much our essential rights and liberties have eroded.
And, no, I don’t blame Obama. He’s a symptom of the overall disease. As Lord Acton put it, “Power corrupts; absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely.”
I do hope your optimism is well founded and that we find our way back. It appears finally the press has awakened and is beginning to do their job. What did Brandeis say about sunlight being the best disinfectant?
ParticipantFIH: You also have companies like Google willingly handing private information over to the government with nary a complaint.
Taken as a whole, we’re seeing an imperial presidency, combined with a National Security State and aided and abetted by a compliant and docile media.
Some, including formerly active Obama sycophants, are starting to wake up to the larger/wider ramifications.
When Ron Fournier at National Journal flips sides, you know something’s up.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]A lot to do about nothing.
Sure there was not enough security. And the whole thing could have been managed better. But collateral damage in the fog of war is par for the course.Stevens was likely a spook siding with the rebels against khadafi. If not a spook, he acted with conviction and knew that the American ambassador’s presence would give a boost to the revels. He knew the risks of going to the consulate in Benghazi instead of staying holed up in the basement of the embassy in tripoli, or flying home to safety.
Chris Stevens did an exemplary job as a diplomat. Diplomats should take some risks to advance our interests and fix problems before we need to intervene militarily. May he rest in peace.[/quote]
FIH: Stevens was not a spook, he was a US Ambassador. The conflict to unseat Gaddafi had already taken place and Stevens was there to provide diplomatic cover for s CIA operation to move weapons from Libya to the anti-Assad forces in Syria. These are the facts, which you were not apparently aware of, and they are not being disputed.
What is being disputed, however, is the ass-covering exercise that followed.
To use the phrase “fog of war” is disingenuous. There was a drone circling the action, providing a real-time feed, so that certainly puts paid to the notion that this situation was somehow confusing. As Greg Hicks testimony indicates, Madame Secretary was made quickly aware exactly what this was and why it was happening (and it didn’t have shit to do with a YouTube video). The administration tried to peddle that lie for nearly two weeks, including violating the producer’s First Amendment rights in the process.
The lies, obfuscation, equivocation have continued since. Sure a lot of smoke and fire over nothing.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Well said dumbrenter.
I think that as a society we have more transparency today than in the days of J Edgar Hoover who kept dossiers on everyone, and when routine civil rights violations were the norm. Back then local county sheriffs were lord of their fiefs and could jail anyone they wanted. Back then fixing tickets and criminal prosecutions were routine.
Sure, if you give the president news laws such as the Patriot Acts, he will use them. Laws that enhance executive powers become institutionalized into the office.[/quote]
FIH: Your first paragraph and your second paragraph contradict each other.
As to the substance of what you appear to be saying, we absolutely do not have more transparency, especially when it comes to the actions of government. We are traveling down a very dangerous path, more so if you’re deemed an “enemy”.
One should never confuse information with knowledge.
Participant[quote=CA renter]Another experiment which relates to this as well, IMHO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
Very scary when you think about it. Many people will tell you that our government won’t engage in any kind of (armed) conflict with civilians because these people naively believe that our own law enforcement and military personnel wouldn’t turn against their own. All you have to do is give “the other” a name with a negative connotation (real or made up) and call them “the enemy.” Something to think about.[/quote]
CAR: For shits and giggles, Google “Project MKUltra”. That is a very interesting read.
ParticipantParamount: It’s insidious.
Participant[quote=paramount][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Paramount: The video is a hoax. It’s a piece of CIA disinformation to dupe the Soviets into believing that Americans were weak and easily led.
Ranks right up there with the faked moon landing videos produced by NASA and the CIA.
Didn’t you see “Capricorn One”? That movie explains everything.[/quote]
mmmm…no mention of hoax at wiki (so it must be true…)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment%5B/quote%5D
Paramount: It’s not a hoax. I was simply yanking your twine.
Now, the alleged moon landings on the other hand…
Participant[quote=desmond]Don’t tell me that Andromeda Strain and Westworld were not real?[/quote]
Desmond: For kids of a certain age, all those 70s flicks really resonate.
I loved “Westworld” and “Futureworld”. Campy as all hell, but to my little pre-teen brain, that was what the future was gonna look like.
Turns out, not so much.
Participant[quote=no_such_reality]
[quote]”Candidly, we go after the cool kids. We go after the attractive all-American kid with a great attitude and a lot of friends,” he said in the article. “A lot of people don’t belong [in our clothes], and they can’t belong.[/quote]CEO Michael Jeffries, age 68 of Abercrombie and Fitch.[/quote]
NSR: That face has had more lifts than a drawbridge.
Participant[quote=SD Realtor]+1 for the capricorn 1 reference… that’s old school brother![/quote]
No school like the Old School, baby!
ParticipantParamount: The video is a hoax. It’s a piece of CIA disinformation to dupe the Soviets into believing that Americans were weak and easily led.
Ranks right up there with the faked moon landing videos produced by NASA and the CIA.
Didn’t you see “Capricorn One”? That movie explains everything.
Participant[quote=Blogstar][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Blogstar][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paramount]It’s being reported that a video was deleted.
No problem, the public employee union thugs loves to protect criminals.[/quote]
Paramount: In this case, I don’t know. If it’s technically feasible to prove the deletion, the Sheriff’s Office is screwed. That is obstruction of justice and intentional destruction of evidence. Kinda hard to explain that behavior away.
This will be interesting to watch, as it unfolds.[/quote]
Simple, the new narrative becomes, it must have inadvertently been deleted and the officers never new it even existed….and look, it doesn’t prove anything anyway.[/quote]
Rus: Stupid, newfangled iPhones.
Look, a squirrel![/quote]
There was NO squirrel ![/quote]
I have the unredacted email chain proving the squirrel existed!
Participant[quote=Blogstar][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=paramount]It’s being reported that a video was deleted.
No problem, the public employee union thugs loves to protect criminals.[/quote]
Paramount: In this case, I don’t know. If it’s technically feasible to prove the deletion, the Sheriff’s Office is screwed. That is obstruction of justice and intentional destruction of evidence. Kinda hard to explain that behavior away.
This will be interesting to watch, as it unfolds.[/quote]
Simple, the new narrative becomes, it must have inadvertently been deleted and the officers never new it even existed….and look, it doesn’t prove anything anyway.[/quote]
Rus: Stupid, newfangled iPhones.
Look, a squirrel!
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