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Personally, I’d rather have the extra $ or have them kick in for an outside (exchange or otherwise) plan — at least I’d be able to carry it between jobs or if I lose work. The sooner insurance is divorced from employment, the better for everyone. Employees because it will be portable and not dependent on continued employment, employers because a car mechanic or restaurant owner shouldn’t need to be a benefits manager (and isn’t necessarily best suited to be one).[/quote]

I agree about separating health insurance from the employment. I also support your single payer position. Unfortunately, I am forced to deal with here and now in addition to dealing with hypothetical (I prefer hypothetical… in that realm I’m great and fearless warrior. Here and now not so much).

The company will bump our salaries to match the cost of premium. There is the after tax/before tax issue. There is also issue of having to go back every year to get a raise just to match the increase in the premium. As I said, ACA looked very nice after the initial 5-minute cursory review.

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Heh, it’s all in the fine print. Now I need to figure out which insurer works with a provider that I might need once I get sick.

And how is this different from what we had pre-ACA? If anything, this is a strong argument for public insurance that’s accepted by 90+% of hospitals and doctors.[/quote]

I was under impression that ACA is going to provide some clarity. Wasn’t that the whole idea behind the metal levels?
I did not have to deal with it until now – the company would pick the plan and reduce my options to binary, take it or leave it. I am sure choice is good for smart people, but not for simpletons like myself.

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[quote=spdrun]A lot of hospitals are still working out arrangements with companies offering plans through the exchanges. Everyone needs to give this a few months…[/quote]

ACA looked good until I’ve heard that my company will be unloading the corporate plan and dumping us onto the exchange. Kind of like the rotten apple I bought for breakfast this morning.

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Heh, it’s all in the fine print. Now I need to figure out which insurer works with a provider that I might need once I get sick.

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[quote=no_such_reality]Sadly, one plow through coveredca debased me of any fantasy of retiring when I saw what happens to my health premiums heading into my 50s with a family.[/quote]

Do you know why there is big difference in premium between plans in the same tier? I am looking at HMO 90 – Molina is 20% more than HealthNet and Anthem BlueCross is another 15% more expensive than Molina.

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[quote=paramount]
My position is: No sex education (no matter how subtle) at all in Public Elem Schools.
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Not even ‘the breadstick and the napkin ring’ lunch area game? That’s a big one in Temecula.

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An army of bots is mining. It might be more profitable to use bots for mining than for spamming.

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[quote=Blogstar]Anyone would know this thread would bring Dan out. It’s just a question of how out.[/quote]

I don’t need to rinse my sinus for a while after snorting a mouthful of coffee. Thank you.

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[quote=spdrun]So what?

Perhaps different spending priorities would have produced unprecedented advances in biotech, artificial organs, etc, and delayed the Internet by 20 years. Would society be worse for it?

In short – who gives a flying spaghetti fuck? Besides, there was plenty of good civilian research in the late 1800s and interwar period of the 1900s without the massive/parasitic military-industrial complex to fund it. Other mechanisms of funding existed.[/quote]

Military innovation during the 1920-1930 interwar period is why we have radar, space program, submarines…

Military drives innovation, creating the need (you need to innovate in order to survive) and the funding (you need to give up your time/goods in order to survive).

The first few minutes of 2001: A Space Odyssey explain the importance of military innovation – you either do it or it gets done to you.

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[quote=SD Realtor]As predictable as the sunrise.

http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/%5B/quote%5D

Three years ago, a guy was caught fabricating interview reports in order to make the quota and the guy is blaming his supervisor, but has no proof of receiving instructions from the supervisor. The goal was to make the quota, not tilt the numbers. Anonymous source says the guy was not the only one fabricating interview reports.

Clearly, Obama falsified the jobs report.

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[quote=spdrun]Imagine if we cut 50% of the funding to the military and its associated parasites and spent the public money saved on providing health care to all Americans… Plenty of wasted public money in the violence industry. I’d rather my tax money be spent prolonging lives (even those of > 80 year olds) than murdering brown people abroad and abusing people in this country in the name of some “war on drugs.”
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But spending money on public health instead of military would not produce radar, GPS, Internet, space program… and the cuts would likely come from research, not pork.

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DC is more of a case of following the govno-mint workers. Much of the rise actually happened under Dubya Bush, who massively scaled up the size of government.[/quote]

Shouldn’t that be gowno?

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[quote=spdrun]There are strong genetic reasons to prohibit incestuous hetero relationships.[/quote]

Someone already said on this thread that not every married hetero couple has kids. Also, increased risk of genetic abnormalities should not be a factor, unless we are willing to regulate every couple with elevated risk.

And it is legal in the Netherlands.

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Would the other commenters here be ok with a story of Jack and his wives Jane and jean? If everyone in jack’s family is ok with it – shouldn’t it be ok to have in a book? And before someone says “that’s not legal” remember that gay marriage isn’t legal everywhere. Note: I’m not in favor of polygamy- just making a point.[/quote]

I think polygamy and incest should be legal, assuming consenting adults. I don’t think I would participate and I would prefer for my kids not to, but there is no reason for either to be against the law.

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[quote=EconProf]You need to look at the quality of doctors, not just the quantity. Would you rather be treated by an Uzbekistani doctor in a hospital in Uzbekistan, or an American doctor in America?[/quote]

I don’t think primary care physicians in Uzbekistan are lesser doctors than their US counterparts. They likely cannot order an MRI for you, though. But I was thinking about the cost and ease of access. Having more trained professionals would help with both.

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