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This argument seems to be getting framed into the dorm/foxhole (mind the pun) context, but what about the desk job Arabic translator who goes to his own home every night and doesn’t sleep or shower with his fellow soldiers? Under what situation would his homosexuality undermine the mission or morale? What about the lesbian VA nurse? Or the bisexual admiral’s secretary? Do these judgements only apply when in the immediate field of battle?

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This argument seems to be getting framed into the dorm/foxhole (mind the pun) context, but what about the desk job Arabic translator who goes to his own home every night and doesn’t sleep or shower with his fellow soldiers? Under what situation would his homosexuality undermine the mission or morale? What about the lesbian VA nurse? Or the bisexual admiral’s secretary? Do these judgements only apply when in the immediate field of battle?

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This argument seems to be getting framed into the dorm/foxhole (mind the pun) context, but what about the desk job Arabic translator who goes to his own home every night and doesn’t sleep or shower with his fellow soldiers? Under what situation would his homosexuality undermine the mission or morale? What about the lesbian VA nurse? Or the bisexual admiral’s secretary? Do these judgements only apply when in the immediate field of battle?

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[quote=DWCAP]Going back to my original post, that is the math the health care bill was balanced upon. Young people have to buy insurance to help bring the total cost per person down (provision delayed till 2014 to give political cover) and they can stay on parental plans to help people at the lowest parts of their career pay scale afford it. ie the lady on NPR.

That is still very much, ‘on topic’.[/quote]

Alright, I’d like to hear your arguments against “the math” then. Is your argument that it is “forced” and therefore inherently bad? Tyranny, socialism, and all that? I am genuinely curious. When debating someone on a topic I generally like to know their thoughts on it.

I’m wondering if you agree with me that more people in the pool lowers costs overall, but we disagree on the means (mandate). If I am right in this assumption, what do you propose besides a mandate to bring more people into the system?

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[quote=DWCAP]Going back to my original post, that is the math the health care bill was balanced upon. Young people have to buy insurance to help bring the total cost per person down (provision delayed till 2014 to give political cover) and they can stay on parental plans to help people at the lowest parts of their career pay scale afford it. ie the lady on NPR.

That is still very much, ‘on topic’.[/quote]

Alright, I’d like to hear your arguments against “the math” then. Is your argument that it is “forced” and therefore inherently bad? Tyranny, socialism, and all that? I am genuinely curious. When debating someone on a topic I generally like to know their thoughts on it.

I’m wondering if you agree with me that more people in the pool lowers costs overall, but we disagree on the means (mandate). If I am right in this assumption, what do you propose besides a mandate to bring more people into the system?

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[quote=DWCAP]Going back to my original post, that is the math the health care bill was balanced upon. Young people have to buy insurance to help bring the total cost per person down (provision delayed till 2014 to give political cover) and they can stay on parental plans to help people at the lowest parts of their career pay scale afford it. ie the lady on NPR.

That is still very much, ‘on topic’.[/quote]

Alright, I’d like to hear your arguments against “the math” then. Is your argument that it is “forced” and therefore inherently bad? Tyranny, socialism, and all that? I am genuinely curious. When debating someone on a topic I generally like to know their thoughts on it.

I’m wondering if you agree with me that more people in the pool lowers costs overall, but we disagree on the means (mandate). If I am right in this assumption, what do you propose besides a mandate to bring more people into the system?

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[quote=DWCAP]Going back to my original post, that is the math the health care bill was balanced upon. Young people have to buy insurance to help bring the total cost per person down (provision delayed till 2014 to give political cover) and they can stay on parental plans to help people at the lowest parts of their career pay scale afford it. ie the lady on NPR.

That is still very much, ‘on topic’.[/quote]

Alright, I’d like to hear your arguments against “the math” then. Is your argument that it is “forced” and therefore inherently bad? Tyranny, socialism, and all that? I am genuinely curious. When debating someone on a topic I generally like to know their thoughts on it.

I’m wondering if you agree with me that more people in the pool lowers costs overall, but we disagree on the means (mandate). If I am right in this assumption, what do you propose besides a mandate to bring more people into the system?

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[quote=DWCAP]Going back to my original post, that is the math the health care bill was balanced upon. Young people have to buy insurance to help bring the total cost per person down (provision delayed till 2014 to give political cover) and they can stay on parental plans to help people at the lowest parts of their career pay scale afford it. ie the lady on NPR.

That is still very much, ‘on topic’.[/quote]

Alright, I’d like to hear your arguments against “the math” then. Is your argument that it is “forced” and therefore inherently bad? Tyranny, socialism, and all that? I am genuinely curious. When debating someone on a topic I generally like to know their thoughts on it.

I’m wondering if you agree with me that more people in the pool lowers costs overall, but we disagree on the means (mandate). If I am right in this assumption, what do you propose besides a mandate to bring more people into the system?

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[quote=DWCAP]WHAT HAPPENS IN 2014[/quote]

Right, I was referring only to this provision (trying to keep the thread on topic). If we want to have a broader conversation on the entire health care plan or insurance in general we can.

Anyone care to estimate what our car insurance rates would be if they were not mandated?

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[quote=DWCAP]WHAT HAPPENS IN 2014[/quote]

Right, I was referring only to this provision (trying to keep the thread on topic). If we want to have a broader conversation on the entire health care plan or insurance in general we can.

Anyone care to estimate what our car insurance rates would be if they were not mandated?

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[quote=DWCAP]WHAT HAPPENS IN 2014[/quote]

Right, I was referring only to this provision (trying to keep the thread on topic). If we want to have a broader conversation on the entire health care plan or insurance in general we can.

Anyone care to estimate what our car insurance rates would be if they were not mandated?

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[quote=DWCAP]WHAT HAPPENS IN 2014[/quote]

Right, I was referring only to this provision (trying to keep the thread on topic). If we want to have a broader conversation on the entire health care plan or insurance in general we can.

Anyone care to estimate what our car insurance rates would be if they were not mandated?

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[quote=DWCAP]WHAT HAPPENS IN 2014[/quote]

Right, I was referring only to this provision (trying to keep the thread on topic). If we want to have a broader conversation on the entire health care plan or insurance in general we can.

Anyone care to estimate what our car insurance rates would be if they were not mandated?

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[quote=CONCHO]I like how our national plan to fix the problem of crappy healthcare insurance is to force everyone to purchase crappy healthcare insurance. What a country![/quote]

Again, where does “force” come into the equation? Lots of under-25s will be joining voluntarily because they will be able to get coverage much cheaper on their parents’ plan than if they went shopping for it on their own. The cost barrier has been lowered for millions of people, yet somehow this is “forcing” them into the system? They don’t have to sign up if they don’t want do. How is this a mandate?

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[quote=CONCHO]I like how our national plan to fix the problem of crappy healthcare insurance is to force everyone to purchase crappy healthcare insurance. What a country![/quote]

Again, where does “force” come into the equation? Lots of under-25s will be joining voluntarily because they will be able to get coverage much cheaper on their parents’ plan than if they went shopping for it on their own. The cost barrier has been lowered for millions of people, yet somehow this is “forcing” them into the system? They don’t have to sign up if they don’t want do. How is this a mandate?

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