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The tort reform faction seems to be making quite a fuss about 1%-2% of the problem:

“If you were to eliminate medical malpractice liability, even forgetting the negative consequences that would have for safety, accountability, and responsiveness, maybe we’d be talking about 1.5 percent of health care costs. So we’re not talking about real money. It’s small relative to the out-of-control cost of health care.”

http://washingtonindependent.com/55535/tort-reform-unlikely-to-cut-health-care-costs

All the evidence available shows that the liability “crisis” is a myth. Malpractice payments account for less than 1% of the nation’s health care costs each year. Since 1987 medical malpractice insurance costs have risen just 52% despite the fact that medical costs have increased 113%. The size of malpractice damage awards has remained steady since 1991. Adjusted for inflation, the average malpractice payment has actually decreased since then. The number of payments for malpractice judgments of $1 million or more has never exceeded one-half of one percent of the annual total number of malpractice payments dating back to 1991.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/08/tort-reform-wont-fix-healthcare-ctd-1.html

Check out this 4-part series titled The Truth About Health Care and Tort Reform:

However, we also find, in state after state, that the passage of tort reform laws does nothing to reduce overall health care costs. Health care costs and patient insurance premiums continue to increase at the same rate as before, if not faster. And the promised cost reductions from less “defensive medicine” never materialize.

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The tort reform faction seems to be making quite a fuss about 1%-2% of the problem:

“If you were to eliminate medical malpractice liability, even forgetting the negative consequences that would have for safety, accountability, and responsiveness, maybe we’d be talking about 1.5 percent of health care costs. So we’re not talking about real money. It’s small relative to the out-of-control cost of health care.”

http://washingtonindependent.com/55535/tort-reform-unlikely-to-cut-health-care-costs

All the evidence available shows that the liability “crisis” is a myth. Malpractice payments account for less than 1% of the nation’s health care costs each year. Since 1987 medical malpractice insurance costs have risen just 52% despite the fact that medical costs have increased 113%. The size of malpractice damage awards has remained steady since 1991. Adjusted for inflation, the average malpractice payment has actually decreased since then. The number of payments for malpractice judgments of $1 million or more has never exceeded one-half of one percent of the annual total number of malpractice payments dating back to 1991.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/08/tort-reform-wont-fix-healthcare-ctd-1.html

Check out this 4-part series titled The Truth About Health Care and Tort Reform:

However, we also find, in state after state, that the passage of tort reform laws does nothing to reduce overall health care costs. Health care costs and patient insurance premiums continue to increase at the same rate as before, if not faster. And the promised cost reductions from less “defensive medicine” never materialize.

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The tort reform faction seems to be making quite a fuss about 1%-2% of the problem:

“If you were to eliminate medical malpractice liability, even forgetting the negative consequences that would have for safety, accountability, and responsiveness, maybe we’d be talking about 1.5 percent of health care costs. So we’re not talking about real money. It’s small relative to the out-of-control cost of health care.”

http://washingtonindependent.com/55535/tort-reform-unlikely-to-cut-health-care-costs

All the evidence available shows that the liability “crisis” is a myth. Malpractice payments account for less than 1% of the nation’s health care costs each year. Since 1987 medical malpractice insurance costs have risen just 52% despite the fact that medical costs have increased 113%. The size of malpractice damage awards has remained steady since 1991. Adjusted for inflation, the average malpractice payment has actually decreased since then. The number of payments for malpractice judgments of $1 million or more has never exceeded one-half of one percent of the annual total number of malpractice payments dating back to 1991.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/08/tort-reform-wont-fix-healthcare-ctd-1.html

Check out this 4-part series titled The Truth About Health Care and Tort Reform:

However, we also find, in state after state, that the passage of tort reform laws does nothing to reduce overall health care costs. Health care costs and patient insurance premiums continue to increase at the same rate as before, if not faster. And the promised cost reductions from less “defensive medicine” never materialize.

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Good deals to be had for sure, but Vegas hasn’t hit bottom until my $5.99 steak & lobster dinners return.

If they were smart they’d become the Amsterdam of the USA — legal shrooms, weed, and sluts for all!

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Good deals to be had for sure, but Vegas hasn’t hit bottom until my $5.99 steak & lobster dinners return.

If they were smart they’d become the Amsterdam of the USA — legal shrooms, weed, and sluts for all!

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Good deals to be had for sure, but Vegas hasn’t hit bottom until my $5.99 steak & lobster dinners return.

If they were smart they’d become the Amsterdam of the USA — legal shrooms, weed, and sluts for all!

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Good deals to be had for sure, but Vegas hasn’t hit bottom until my $5.99 steak & lobster dinners return.

If they were smart they’d become the Amsterdam of the USA — legal shrooms, weed, and sluts for all!

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Good deals to be had for sure, but Vegas hasn’t hit bottom until my $5.99 steak & lobster dinners return.

If they were smart they’d become the Amsterdam of the USA — legal shrooms, weed, and sluts for all!

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]the innovations you speak of are part of a very competitive system, designed to push innovation and creativity, but to do so for a profit.[/quote]

Of course. I have no problem with this — it’s how it should be. The healthcare bill in question has nothing to do with stifling innovation. If you invent a drug that cures AIDS you will be a billionaire with or without this bill. To claim that this bill will somehow prevent someone (whether public or private) from finding cures for diseases is unfounded.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Lastly, I would ask, relative to those life expectancy numbers from Europe: How big is the difference for American life expectancy versus European? If I remember correctly, we’re talking fairly minute differences, aren’t we?[/quote]

Here is a nice chart of overall life-expectancy:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

France is ranked #9 at 80.98 years.
US is ranked #50 at 78.11 years behind such powerhouses as Bermuda, Liechtenstein, and Bosnia.

Sure, for us 2-3 years may be a “minute difference” but if you ask someone who is 78, I have a feeling the difference won’t feel as minute to them.

But those life expectancy numbers are from birth — the real difference makes itself known when you compare life expectancy at 60. The US is even worse at that data point. I’m trying to find some data on these numbers but my Google Fu is failing me at the moment.

Oh, and France is probably cheating with all of their wine drinking and vacation taking.

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]the innovations you speak of are part of a very competitive system, designed to push innovation and creativity, but to do so for a profit.[/quote]

Of course. I have no problem with this — it’s how it should be. The healthcare bill in question has nothing to do with stifling innovation. If you invent a drug that cures AIDS you will be a billionaire with or without this bill. To claim that this bill will somehow prevent someone (whether public or private) from finding cures for diseases is unfounded.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Lastly, I would ask, relative to those life expectancy numbers from Europe: How big is the difference for American life expectancy versus European? If I remember correctly, we’re talking fairly minute differences, aren’t we?[/quote]

Here is a nice chart of overall life-expectancy:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

France is ranked #9 at 80.98 years.
US is ranked #50 at 78.11 years behind such powerhouses as Bermuda, Liechtenstein, and Bosnia.

Sure, for us 2-3 years may be a “minute difference” but if you ask someone who is 78, I have a feeling the difference won’t feel as minute to them.

But those life expectancy numbers are from birth — the real difference makes itself known when you compare life expectancy at 60. The US is even worse at that data point. I’m trying to find some data on these numbers but my Google Fu is failing me at the moment.

Oh, and France is probably cheating with all of their wine drinking and vacation taking.

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]the innovations you speak of are part of a very competitive system, designed to push innovation and creativity, but to do so for a profit.[/quote]

Of course. I have no problem with this — it’s how it should be. The healthcare bill in question has nothing to do with stifling innovation. If you invent a drug that cures AIDS you will be a billionaire with or without this bill. To claim that this bill will somehow prevent someone (whether public or private) from finding cures for diseases is unfounded.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Lastly, I would ask, relative to those life expectancy numbers from Europe: How big is the difference for American life expectancy versus European? If I remember correctly, we’re talking fairly minute differences, aren’t we?[/quote]

Here is a nice chart of overall life-expectancy:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

France is ranked #9 at 80.98 years.
US is ranked #50 at 78.11 years behind such powerhouses as Bermuda, Liechtenstein, and Bosnia.

Sure, for us 2-3 years may be a “minute difference” but if you ask someone who is 78, I have a feeling the difference won’t feel as minute to them.

But those life expectancy numbers are from birth — the real difference makes itself known when you compare life expectancy at 60. The US is even worse at that data point. I’m trying to find some data on these numbers but my Google Fu is failing me at the moment.

Oh, and France is probably cheating with all of their wine drinking and vacation taking.

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]the innovations you speak of are part of a very competitive system, designed to push innovation and creativity, but to do so for a profit.[/quote]

Of course. I have no problem with this — it’s how it should be. The healthcare bill in question has nothing to do with stifling innovation. If you invent a drug that cures AIDS you will be a billionaire with or without this bill. To claim that this bill will somehow prevent someone (whether public or private) from finding cures for diseases is unfounded.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Lastly, I would ask, relative to those life expectancy numbers from Europe: How big is the difference for American life expectancy versus European? If I remember correctly, we’re talking fairly minute differences, aren’t we?[/quote]

Here is a nice chart of overall life-expectancy:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

France is ranked #9 at 80.98 years.
US is ranked #50 at 78.11 years behind such powerhouses as Bermuda, Liechtenstein, and Bosnia.

Sure, for us 2-3 years may be a “minute difference” but if you ask someone who is 78, I have a feeling the difference won’t feel as minute to them.

But those life expectancy numbers are from birth — the real difference makes itself known when you compare life expectancy at 60. The US is even worse at that data point. I’m trying to find some data on these numbers but my Google Fu is failing me at the moment.

Oh, and France is probably cheating with all of their wine drinking and vacation taking.

[afx114]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]the innovations you speak of are part of a very competitive system, designed to push innovation and creativity, but to do so for a profit.[/quote]

Of course. I have no problem with this — it’s how it should be. The healthcare bill in question has nothing to do with stifling innovation. If you invent a drug that cures AIDS you will be a billionaire with or without this bill. To claim that this bill will somehow prevent someone (whether public or private) from finding cures for diseases is unfounded.

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Lastly, I would ask, relative to those life expectancy numbers from Europe: How big is the difference for American life expectancy versus European? If I remember correctly, we’re talking fairly minute differences, aren’t we?[/quote]

Here is a nice chart of overall life-expectancy:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

France is ranked #9 at 80.98 years.
US is ranked #50 at 78.11 years behind such powerhouses as Bermuda, Liechtenstein, and Bosnia.

Sure, for us 2-3 years may be a “minute difference” but if you ask someone who is 78, I have a feeling the difference won’t feel as minute to them.

But those life expectancy numbers are from birth — the real difference makes itself known when you compare life expectancy at 60. The US is even worse at that data point. I’m trying to find some data on these numbers but my Google Fu is failing me at the moment.

Oh, and France is probably cheating with all of their wine drinking and vacation taking.

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Also, if France, Canada, England, Japan, etc ration healthcare so bad, how do you explain the fact that they have by far a higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality than the US? The higher life-expectancy is even better for those over age 60 in those countries. Must be all that rationing I guess?

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Also, if France, Canada, England, Japan, etc ration healthcare so bad, how do you explain the fact that they have by far a higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality than the US? The higher life-expectancy is even better for those over age 60 in those countries. Must be all that rationing I guess?

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