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[quote=NeetaT] “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Fleeced by taxes or fleeced by insurance companies? That’s really the issue here. What gives the policy holder more leverage, the opportunity to choose a more competitive carrier, or your voting power to choose a government that administers healthcare? The problem we have is that choice has been removed and carriers are administering the government.

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[quote=NeetaT] “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Fleeced by taxes or fleeced by insurance companies? That’s really the issue here. What gives the policy holder more leverage, the opportunity to choose a more competitive carrier, or your voting power to choose a government that administers healthcare? The problem we have is that choice has been removed and carriers are administering the government.

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[quote=NeetaT] “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Fleeced by taxes or fleeced by insurance companies? That’s really the issue here. What gives the policy holder more leverage, the opportunity to choose a more competitive carrier, or your voting power to choose a government that administers healthcare? The problem we have is that choice has been removed and carriers are administering the government.

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[quote=NeetaT] “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Fleeced by taxes or fleeced by insurance companies? That’s really the issue here. What gives the policy holder more leverage, the opportunity to choose a more competitive carrier, or your voting power to choose a government that administers healthcare? The problem we have is that choice has been removed and carriers are administering the government.

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[quote=NeetaT] “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Fleeced by taxes or fleeced by insurance companies? That’s really the issue here. What gives the policy holder more leverage, the opportunity to choose a more competitive carrier, or your voting power to choose a government that administers healthcare? The problem we have is that choice has been removed and carriers are administering the government.

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[quote=meadandale]

There are plenty of conservatives that have ideas for health care reform. However, you aren’t going to hear a whole lot about it unless you go somewhere besides HuffPo.

Everyone agrees that there is a crisis and we need to do something about it. We just don’t agree on what. However “our way or the highway”, which is the position of most of the Democrats in congress, is not going to elicit alot of bipartisan support for the crap they are pushing.

Frankly, I don’t want a government bureaucracy, like the ones that run the DMV, the USPS and FEMA running healthcare in this country.
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These are the classic recycled arguments that are perpetuated by conservative group think, most of which fall flat at the first hurdle. Conservatism by it’s nature fears change, and the challenge is changing the mindset, not healthcare. Why not take the debate to the state level, and see if an experiment in state run health care works first? A lot less would be at stake, and it would surely be a lot easier to administer.

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[quote=meadandale]

There are plenty of conservatives that have ideas for health care reform. However, you aren’t going to hear a whole lot about it unless you go somewhere besides HuffPo.

Everyone agrees that there is a crisis and we need to do something about it. We just don’t agree on what. However “our way or the highway”, which is the position of most of the Democrats in congress, is not going to elicit alot of bipartisan support for the crap they are pushing.

Frankly, I don’t want a government bureaucracy, like the ones that run the DMV, the USPS and FEMA running healthcare in this country.
[/quote]

These are the classic recycled arguments that are perpetuated by conservative group think, most of which fall flat at the first hurdle. Conservatism by it’s nature fears change, and the challenge is changing the mindset, not healthcare. Why not take the debate to the state level, and see if an experiment in state run health care works first? A lot less would be at stake, and it would surely be a lot easier to administer.

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[quote=meadandale]

There are plenty of conservatives that have ideas for health care reform. However, you aren’t going to hear a whole lot about it unless you go somewhere besides HuffPo.

Everyone agrees that there is a crisis and we need to do something about it. We just don’t agree on what. However “our way or the highway”, which is the position of most of the Democrats in congress, is not going to elicit alot of bipartisan support for the crap they are pushing.

Frankly, I don’t want a government bureaucracy, like the ones that run the DMV, the USPS and FEMA running healthcare in this country.
[/quote]

These are the classic recycled arguments that are perpetuated by conservative group think, most of which fall flat at the first hurdle. Conservatism by it’s nature fears change, and the challenge is changing the mindset, not healthcare. Why not take the debate to the state level, and see if an experiment in state run health care works first? A lot less would be at stake, and it would surely be a lot easier to administer.

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[quote=meadandale]

There are plenty of conservatives that have ideas for health care reform. However, you aren’t going to hear a whole lot about it unless you go somewhere besides HuffPo.

Everyone agrees that there is a crisis and we need to do something about it. We just don’t agree on what. However “our way or the highway”, which is the position of most of the Democrats in congress, is not going to elicit alot of bipartisan support for the crap they are pushing.

Frankly, I don’t want a government bureaucracy, like the ones that run the DMV, the USPS and FEMA running healthcare in this country.
[/quote]

These are the classic recycled arguments that are perpetuated by conservative group think, most of which fall flat at the first hurdle. Conservatism by it’s nature fears change, and the challenge is changing the mindset, not healthcare. Why not take the debate to the state level, and see if an experiment in state run health care works first? A lot less would be at stake, and it would surely be a lot easier to administer.

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[quote=meadandale]

There are plenty of conservatives that have ideas for health care reform. However, you aren’t going to hear a whole lot about it unless you go somewhere besides HuffPo.

Everyone agrees that there is a crisis and we need to do something about it. We just don’t agree on what. However “our way or the highway”, which is the position of most of the Democrats in congress, is not going to elicit alot of bipartisan support for the crap they are pushing.

Frankly, I don’t want a government bureaucracy, like the ones that run the DMV, the USPS and FEMA running healthcare in this country.
[/quote]

These are the classic recycled arguments that are perpetuated by conservative group think, most of which fall flat at the first hurdle. Conservatism by it’s nature fears change, and the challenge is changing the mindset, not healthcare. Why not take the debate to the state level, and see if an experiment in state run health care works first? A lot less would be at stake, and it would surely be a lot easier to administer.

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[quote=threadkiller]I think doctors,dentists,and veterinarians are just out of touch with what an average persons income is and what they can afford. [/quote]

This strikes me as being the place to start. Doctors seems conspicuous by their absence in this debate, no doubt through fear of reduced incomes. However, how can you have a debate about health care reform without major input from the people on the ground floor. In all the newspaper articles, forums, TV discussions, I have heard only one physician speak out, and read only one article that makes the same point. The dynamics would probably change somewhat if some assurances about livelihoods are made by reformers. First, Democrats need to grapple with the thorny issue of litigation.

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[quote=threadkiller]I think doctors,dentists,and veterinarians are just out of touch with what an average persons income is and what they can afford. [/quote]

This strikes me as being the place to start. Doctors seems conspicuous by their absence in this debate, no doubt through fear of reduced incomes. However, how can you have a debate about health care reform without major input from the people on the ground floor. In all the newspaper articles, forums, TV discussions, I have heard only one physician speak out, and read only one article that makes the same point. The dynamics would probably change somewhat if some assurances about livelihoods are made by reformers. First, Democrats need to grapple with the thorny issue of litigation.

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[quote=threadkiller]I think doctors,dentists,and veterinarians are just out of touch with what an average persons income is and what they can afford. [/quote]

This strikes me as being the place to start. Doctors seems conspicuous by their absence in this debate, no doubt through fear of reduced incomes. However, how can you have a debate about health care reform without major input from the people on the ground floor. In all the newspaper articles, forums, TV discussions, I have heard only one physician speak out, and read only one article that makes the same point. The dynamics would probably change somewhat if some assurances about livelihoods are made by reformers. First, Democrats need to grapple with the thorny issue of litigation.

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[quote=threadkiller]I think doctors,dentists,and veterinarians are just out of touch with what an average persons income is and what they can afford. [/quote]

This strikes me as being the place to start. Doctors seems conspicuous by their absence in this debate, no doubt through fear of reduced incomes. However, how can you have a debate about health care reform without major input from the people on the ground floor. In all the newspaper articles, forums, TV discussions, I have heard only one physician speak out, and read only one article that makes the same point. The dynamics would probably change somewhat if some assurances about livelihoods are made by reformers. First, Democrats need to grapple with the thorny issue of litigation.

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[quote=threadkiller]I think doctors,dentists,and veterinarians are just out of touch with what an average persons income is and what they can afford. [/quote]

This strikes me as being the place to start. Doctors seems conspicuous by their absence in this debate, no doubt through fear of reduced incomes. However, how can you have a debate about health care reform without major input from the people on the ground floor. In all the newspaper articles, forums, TV discussions, I have heard only one physician speak out, and read only one article that makes the same point. The dynamics would probably change somewhat if some assurances about livelihoods are made by reformers. First, Democrats need to grapple with the thorny issue of litigation.

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