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January 29, 2008 at 1:13 PM #11661
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January 29, 2008 at 1:21 PM #144660
SHILOH
Participantwill a lawyer please respond…isn’t it fraud?
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January 29, 2008 at 1:28 PM #144670
capeman
ParticipantFrom reading the FAQ there seems to be nothing other than legal information provided as a kit. In that respect the company wouldn’t be accusable of fraud.
I believe the homeowner would not be committing anything other than breaking of a contract by not paying. That in itself is not punishable by jail time but as I am not a lawyer I could be wrong.
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January 29, 2008 at 1:49 PM #144680
HereWeGo
ParticipantYou gotta love the pictures that cycle through at the top of the site.
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January 29, 2008 at 1:49 PM #144920
HereWeGo
ParticipantYou gotta love the pictures that cycle through at the top of the site.
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January 29, 2008 at 1:49 PM #144922
HereWeGo
ParticipantYou gotta love the pictures that cycle through at the top of the site.
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January 29, 2008 at 1:49 PM #144949
HereWeGo
ParticipantYou gotta love the pictures that cycle through at the top of the site.
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January 29, 2008 at 1:49 PM #145018
HereWeGo
ParticipantYou gotta love the pictures that cycle through at the top of the site.
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January 29, 2008 at 1:28 PM #144910
capeman
ParticipantFrom reading the FAQ there seems to be nothing other than legal information provided as a kit. In that respect the company wouldn’t be accusable of fraud.
I believe the homeowner would not be committing anything other than breaking of a contract by not paying. That in itself is not punishable by jail time but as I am not a lawyer I could be wrong.
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January 29, 2008 at 1:28 PM #144912
capeman
ParticipantFrom reading the FAQ there seems to be nothing other than legal information provided as a kit. In that respect the company wouldn’t be accusable of fraud.
I believe the homeowner would not be committing anything other than breaking of a contract by not paying. That in itself is not punishable by jail time but as I am not a lawyer I could be wrong.
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January 29, 2008 at 1:28 PM #144939
capeman
ParticipantFrom reading the FAQ there seems to be nothing other than legal information provided as a kit. In that respect the company wouldn’t be accusable of fraud.
I believe the homeowner would not be committing anything other than breaking of a contract by not paying. That in itself is not punishable by jail time but as I am not a lawyer I could be wrong.
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January 29, 2008 at 1:28 PM #145009
capeman
ParticipantFrom reading the FAQ there seems to be nothing other than legal information provided as a kit. In that respect the company wouldn’t be accusable of fraud.
I believe the homeowner would not be committing anything other than breaking of a contract by not paying. That in itself is not punishable by jail time but as I am not a lawyer I could be wrong.
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January 29, 2008 at 2:36 PM #144701
kewp
ParticipantIANAL, but I know it isn’t fraud. If the loan is 100% non-recourse then the house is the collateral and there is nothing the lender can do other than put a black market on their credit report.
Looking more and more like ’08 will be the revolt of the FB’ers. I’m cautiously optimistic about this, as it could lead to a fast-forward correction, early bottom and return to solid lending standards.
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January 29, 2008 at 2:48 PM #144716
Anonymous
GuestWow. Haven’t seen anything quite like this before.
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January 29, 2008 at 2:48 PM #144955
Anonymous
GuestWow. Haven’t seen anything quite like this before.
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January 29, 2008 at 2:48 PM #144957
Anonymous
GuestWow. Haven’t seen anything quite like this before.
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January 29, 2008 at 2:48 PM #144983
Anonymous
GuestWow. Haven’t seen anything quite like this before.
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January 29, 2008 at 2:48 PM #145055
Anonymous
GuestWow. Haven’t seen anything quite like this before.
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January 29, 2008 at 2:36 PM #144940
kewp
ParticipantIANAL, but I know it isn’t fraud. If the loan is 100% non-recourse then the house is the collateral and there is nothing the lender can do other than put a black market on their credit report.
Looking more and more like ’08 will be the revolt of the FB’ers. I’m cautiously optimistic about this, as it could lead to a fast-forward correction, early bottom and return to solid lending standards.
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January 29, 2008 at 2:36 PM #144942
kewp
ParticipantIANAL, but I know it isn’t fraud. If the loan is 100% non-recourse then the house is the collateral and there is nothing the lender can do other than put a black market on their credit report.
Looking more and more like ’08 will be the revolt of the FB’ers. I’m cautiously optimistic about this, as it could lead to a fast-forward correction, early bottom and return to solid lending standards.
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January 29, 2008 at 2:36 PM #144968
kewp
ParticipantIANAL, but I know it isn’t fraud. If the loan is 100% non-recourse then the house is the collateral and there is nothing the lender can do other than put a black market on their credit report.
Looking more and more like ’08 will be the revolt of the FB’ers. I’m cautiously optimistic about this, as it could lead to a fast-forward correction, early bottom and return to solid lending standards.
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January 29, 2008 at 2:36 PM #145040
kewp
ParticipantIANAL, but I know it isn’t fraud. If the loan is 100% non-recourse then the house is the collateral and there is nothing the lender can do other than put a black market on their credit report.
Looking more and more like ’08 will be the revolt of the FB’ers. I’m cautiously optimistic about this, as it could lead to a fast-forward correction, early bottom and return to solid lending standards.
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January 29, 2008 at 3:28 PM #144756
Anonymous
GuestSubmitted by SHILOH on January 29, 2008 – 2:21pm.
will a lawyer please respond…isn’t it fraud?
No, it isn’t fraud. It’s people doing what’s in their own best interests. It’s always been this way and it will continue to be this way.
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January 30, 2008 at 7:40 PM #145607
beachhunter
Participantare you sims friend?
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January 30, 2008 at 7:41 PM #145614
beachhunter
Participantsorry that was for shiloh.. If so what’s shaken..
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January 30, 2008 at 10:44 PM #145722
Multiplepropertyowner
ParticipantGreat business idea. Wish I had thought of it. Goes to show you that you can make money in any market.
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January 30, 2008 at 10:44 PM #145965
Multiplepropertyowner
ParticipantGreat business idea. Wish I had thought of it. Goes to show you that you can make money in any market.
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January 30, 2008 at 10:44 PM #145996
Multiplepropertyowner
ParticipantGreat business idea. Wish I had thought of it. Goes to show you that you can make money in any market.
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January 30, 2008 at 10:44 PM #146005
Multiplepropertyowner
ParticipantGreat business idea. Wish I had thought of it. Goes to show you that you can make money in any market.
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January 30, 2008 at 10:44 PM #146065
Multiplepropertyowner
ParticipantGreat business idea. Wish I had thought of it. Goes to show you that you can make money in any market.
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January 30, 2008 at 7:41 PM #145857
beachhunter
Participantsorry that was for shiloh.. If so what’s shaken..
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January 30, 2008 at 7:41 PM #145885
beachhunter
Participantsorry that was for shiloh.. If so what’s shaken..
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January 30, 2008 at 7:41 PM #145894
beachhunter
Participantsorry that was for shiloh.. If so what’s shaken..
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January 30, 2008 at 7:41 PM #145957
beachhunter
Participantsorry that was for shiloh.. If so what’s shaken..
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January 30, 2008 at 7:40 PM #145852
beachhunter
Participantare you sims friend?
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January 30, 2008 at 7:40 PM #145878
beachhunter
Participantare you sims friend?
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January 30, 2008 at 7:40 PM #145888
beachhunter
Participantare you sims friend?
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January 30, 2008 at 7:40 PM #145952
beachhunter
Participantare you sims friend?
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January 29, 2008 at 3:28 PM #144996
Anonymous
GuestSubmitted by SHILOH on January 29, 2008 – 2:21pm.
will a lawyer please respond…isn’t it fraud?
No, it isn’t fraud. It’s people doing what’s in their own best interests. It’s always been this way and it will continue to be this way.
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January 29, 2008 at 3:28 PM #145022
Anonymous
GuestSubmitted by SHILOH on January 29, 2008 – 2:21pm.
will a lawyer please respond…isn’t it fraud?
No, it isn’t fraud. It’s people doing what’s in their own best interests. It’s always been this way and it will continue to be this way.
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January 29, 2008 at 3:28 PM #145025
Anonymous
GuestSubmitted by SHILOH on January 29, 2008 – 2:21pm.
will a lawyer please respond…isn’t it fraud?
No, it isn’t fraud. It’s people doing what’s in their own best interests. It’s always been this way and it will continue to be this way.
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January 29, 2008 at 3:28 PM #145094
Anonymous
GuestSubmitted by SHILOH on January 29, 2008 – 2:21pm.
will a lawyer please respond…isn’t it fraud?
No, it isn’t fraud. It’s people doing what’s in their own best interests. It’s always been this way and it will continue to be this way.
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January 29, 2008 at 1:21 PM #144900
SHILOH
Participantwill a lawyer please respond…isn’t it fraud?
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January 29, 2008 at 1:21 PM #144902
SHILOH
Participantwill a lawyer please respond…isn’t it fraud?
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January 29, 2008 at 1:21 PM #144928
SHILOH
Participantwill a lawyer please respond…isn’t it fraud?
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January 29, 2008 at 1:21 PM #144998
SHILOH
Participantwill a lawyer please respond…isn’t it fraud?
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January 29, 2008 at 2:52 PM #144726
Anonymous
GuestMaybe this will help, check out this site:
http://www.sandiegopredatorylending.com/?p=36
There’s an article on “Dumping your house”
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January 29, 2008 at 2:52 PM #144966
Anonymous
GuestMaybe this will help, check out this site:
http://www.sandiegopredatorylending.com/?p=36
There’s an article on “Dumping your house”
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January 29, 2008 at 2:52 PM #144967
Anonymous
GuestMaybe this will help, check out this site:
http://www.sandiegopredatorylending.com/?p=36
There’s an article on “Dumping your house”
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January 29, 2008 at 2:52 PM #144992
Anonymous
GuestMaybe this will help, check out this site:
http://www.sandiegopredatorylending.com/?p=36
There’s an article on “Dumping your house”
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January 29, 2008 at 2:52 PM #144994
Anonymous
GuestMaybe this will help, check out this site:
http://www.sandiegopredatorylending.com/?p=36
There’s an article on “Dumping your house”
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January 29, 2008 at 2:52 PM #145064
Anonymous
GuestMaybe this will help, check out this site:
http://www.sandiegopredatorylending.com/?p=36
There’s an article on “Dumping your house”
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January 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM #144861
DoJC
ParticipantWow, this twist could really aggravate the housing problem we’re having. When people who can otherwise afford their home simply walk away due to the unfavorable ratio of mortgage debt to value on their home we’re in for some seriously bad housing market times. Lenders will become even less willing to extend loans to people that could easily buy a home due to the risk in states like CA where the plunge is still happening.
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January 29, 2008 at 5:15 PM #144886
michael
ParticipantDisclaimer on bottom of home page…
“This company and site informs its users about foreclosure law designed to help them safely cope with their own legal needs. However, legal information is not the same as legal advice. The law as it applies to each individual varies with specific circumstances. The laws of each state are constantly changing, and although we go to great lengths to make sure our information is accurate and useful, we recommend you consult a lawyer if you want professional assurance that our information, and your interpretation of it, is appropriate to your particular situation.”
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January 29, 2008 at 5:44 PM #144901
beanmaestro
ParticipantFrankly, this is a brilliant idea for the underwater homedebtor.
You’ve been piling up credit card debt to pay the mortgage, and bleeding more each month. So you stop paying now (since it’s a matter of time anyway), pay off your credit cards, and save up a security deposit in the months before eviction. You clear your credit check on your new rental before the foreclosure, and know exactly when you have to move. Seems almost civilized…
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January 29, 2008 at 9:11 PM #144960
New_Renter
ParticipantMost landlords do a thorough credit check on prospective lessee’s these days. Doesn’t this put a little fly in the ointment on your scenario beanmaestro? Maybe they could find a desperate landlord, but from what I see, occupancy rates are quite high right now in San Diego, so landlords can be choosy and lower their risk…
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January 29, 2008 at 9:36 PM #144978
Fearful
ParticipantOh, yeah, we’re in for a wild ride from here on out, no doubt about it.
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January 29, 2008 at 9:46 PM #144984
kev374
Participantgood god!
These people will all way away, the lending institutions will collapse and eventually they will have to be bailed out with taxpayer money.
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January 29, 2008 at 10:41 PM #145014
Anonymous
GuestWhat’s so shocking here? Did any of you really think this wasn’t going to happen??
In regards to this company, it sounds like a scam. I’m assuming for a fee, they counsel people on how to walk away from their homes and then rebuild their credit.. Anyone can get this information for free by researching it. It’s not difficult.
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January 29, 2008 at 10:41 PM #145254
Anonymous
GuestWhat’s so shocking here? Did any of you really think this wasn’t going to happen??
In regards to this company, it sounds like a scam. I’m assuming for a fee, they counsel people on how to walk away from their homes and then rebuild their credit.. Anyone can get this information for free by researching it. It’s not difficult.
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January 29, 2008 at 10:41 PM #145282
Anonymous
GuestWhat’s so shocking here? Did any of you really think this wasn’t going to happen??
In regards to this company, it sounds like a scam. I’m assuming for a fee, they counsel people on how to walk away from their homes and then rebuild their credit.. Anyone can get this information for free by researching it. It’s not difficult.
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January 29, 2008 at 10:41 PM #145285
Anonymous
GuestWhat’s so shocking here? Did any of you really think this wasn’t going to happen??
In regards to this company, it sounds like a scam. I’m assuming for a fee, they counsel people on how to walk away from their homes and then rebuild their credit.. Anyone can get this information for free by researching it. It’s not difficult.
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January 29, 2008 at 10:41 PM #145355
Anonymous
GuestWhat’s so shocking here? Did any of you really think this wasn’t going to happen??
In regards to this company, it sounds like a scam. I’m assuming for a fee, they counsel people on how to walk away from their homes and then rebuild their credit.. Anyone can get this information for free by researching it. It’s not difficult.
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January 29, 2008 at 9:46 PM #145223
kev374
Participantgood god!
These people will all way away, the lending institutions will collapse and eventually they will have to be bailed out with taxpayer money.
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January 29, 2008 at 9:46 PM #145252
kev374
Participantgood god!
These people will all way away, the lending institutions will collapse and eventually they will have to be bailed out with taxpayer money.
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January 29, 2008 at 9:46 PM #145256
kev374
Participantgood god!
These people will all way away, the lending institutions will collapse and eventually they will have to be bailed out with taxpayer money.
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January 29, 2008 at 9:46 PM #145325
kev374
Participantgood god!
These people will all way away, the lending institutions will collapse and eventually they will have to be bailed out with taxpayer money.
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January 29, 2008 at 9:36 PM #145218
Fearful
ParticipantOh, yeah, we’re in for a wild ride from here on out, no doubt about it.
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January 29, 2008 at 9:36 PM #145247
Fearful
ParticipantOh, yeah, we’re in for a wild ride from here on out, no doubt about it.
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January 29, 2008 at 9:36 PM #145248
Fearful
ParticipantOh, yeah, we’re in for a wild ride from here on out, no doubt about it.
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January 29, 2008 at 9:36 PM #145318
Fearful
ParticipantOh, yeah, we’re in for a wild ride from here on out, no doubt about it.
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January 31, 2008 at 3:48 PM #146197
beanmaestro
ParticipantNR-
I’m in Santa Barbara, so I’m not that familiar with SD’s rental occupancy rate. But near my house (not the most fashionable part of town), there are a bunch of fairly plain apartment complexes that always have a vacancy or three. These complexes can’t afford to turn down fully employed applicants who can afford the full deposit, just because they’re being foreclosed. Or at least, based on people I know who live there, they’re willing to take anyone with a job (or financial aid) and a deposit. And you have to figure that growing number of foreclosures will reduce its stigma.
I just don’t see thousands of foreclosed families walking the streets because apartments they can afford would rather have vacancies than let them in. More likely they just demand an extra $1k in deposit. If there’s a demand, someone will create the supply.
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February 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM #147991
kelly
ParticipantI’m a reporter for voiceofsandiego.org and would love to talk to someone who’s talked with this company or who’s considering walking away.
Please e-mail me at kelly.bennett(at)voiceofsandiego.org if that’s you.
kb
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February 5, 2008 at 2:36 PM #148483
kelly
ParticipantStill looking for people who are trying to decide whether to walk away from their mortgages.
In the meantime, I heard from one of our readers with a compelling story that I thought you’d be interested in. Click on this link to go there.
Here’s a taste:
It’s troubling to me that people have so little shame — and so little sense of obligation toward their neighbors and their commitments — that they would just throw up their hands and not make their best efforts to do what they said they would.
If you have ideas or people I should talk to, please send me an e-mail — kelly.bennett(at)voiceofsandiego.org
Thanks, Piggs –
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February 5, 2008 at 3:13 PM #148508
kev374
ParticipantThe lenders RICHLY deserve the losses. I hope the guys on Wall St. lose everything. They took ridiculous risks due to their immense greed and I have no sympathy for them.
HOWEVER, my concern is that there WILL be a taxpayer funded bailout for Wall St. in the guise of protecting the poor foreclosure “victims”.
Wall St. will get bailed out by taxpayers. The reckless homeowners who bought homes they couldn’t afford will get a super low interest rate lock, some other subsidy or at the very least have had the opportunity to live in a home they couldn’t afford, rent free for a few months and also had the good fortune of living lavishly on home equity lines for a few years.
The real victims are the people who were responsible, worked hard for their money, paid their taxes and did not exhibit this reckless behavior. The bailout is going to be on the backs of such people!
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February 5, 2008 at 3:13 PM #148760
kev374
ParticipantThe lenders RICHLY deserve the losses. I hope the guys on Wall St. lose everything. They took ridiculous risks due to their immense greed and I have no sympathy for them.
HOWEVER, my concern is that there WILL be a taxpayer funded bailout for Wall St. in the guise of protecting the poor foreclosure “victims”.
Wall St. will get bailed out by taxpayers. The reckless homeowners who bought homes they couldn’t afford will get a super low interest rate lock, some other subsidy or at the very least have had the opportunity to live in a home they couldn’t afford, rent free for a few months and also had the good fortune of living lavishly on home equity lines for a few years.
The real victims are the people who were responsible, worked hard for their money, paid their taxes and did not exhibit this reckless behavior. The bailout is going to be on the backs of such people!
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February 5, 2008 at 3:13 PM #148778
kev374
ParticipantThe lenders RICHLY deserve the losses. I hope the guys on Wall St. lose everything. They took ridiculous risks due to their immense greed and I have no sympathy for them.
HOWEVER, my concern is that there WILL be a taxpayer funded bailout for Wall St. in the guise of protecting the poor foreclosure “victims”.
Wall St. will get bailed out by taxpayers. The reckless homeowners who bought homes they couldn’t afford will get a super low interest rate lock, some other subsidy or at the very least have had the opportunity to live in a home they couldn’t afford, rent free for a few months and also had the good fortune of living lavishly on home equity lines for a few years.
The real victims are the people who were responsible, worked hard for their money, paid their taxes and did not exhibit this reckless behavior. The bailout is going to be on the backs of such people!
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February 5, 2008 at 3:13 PM #148790
kev374
ParticipantThe lenders RICHLY deserve the losses. I hope the guys on Wall St. lose everything. They took ridiculous risks due to their immense greed and I have no sympathy for them.
HOWEVER, my concern is that there WILL be a taxpayer funded bailout for Wall St. in the guise of protecting the poor foreclosure “victims”.
Wall St. will get bailed out by taxpayers. The reckless homeowners who bought homes they couldn’t afford will get a super low interest rate lock, some other subsidy or at the very least have had the opportunity to live in a home they couldn’t afford, rent free for a few months and also had the good fortune of living lavishly on home equity lines for a few years.
The real victims are the people who were responsible, worked hard for their money, paid their taxes and did not exhibit this reckless behavior. The bailout is going to be on the backs of such people!
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February 5, 2008 at 3:13 PM #148862
kev374
ParticipantThe lenders RICHLY deserve the losses. I hope the guys on Wall St. lose everything. They took ridiculous risks due to their immense greed and I have no sympathy for them.
HOWEVER, my concern is that there WILL be a taxpayer funded bailout for Wall St. in the guise of protecting the poor foreclosure “victims”.
Wall St. will get bailed out by taxpayers. The reckless homeowners who bought homes they couldn’t afford will get a super low interest rate lock, some other subsidy or at the very least have had the opportunity to live in a home they couldn’t afford, rent free for a few months and also had the good fortune of living lavishly on home equity lines for a few years.
The real victims are the people who were responsible, worked hard for their money, paid their taxes and did not exhibit this reckless behavior. The bailout is going to be on the backs of such people!
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February 5, 2008 at 8:03 PM #148583
DaCounselor
ParticipantI would be more inclined to call it stupidity as opposed to honor, Kelly. Our astute “investor” (characterizing a property that is negative cash flow from the get-go an “income” property is our first sign of who we are dealing with) throws down the morality card we have debated here for months. My advice to this person, having already acknowledged that they have made a bad business decision, is to start thinking long and hard about whether their priorities should rest with some over-reaching sense of obligation to their neighborhood as opposed to their own family.
Yes indeed, there is great “honor” in sinking increasing amounts of money into a bad investment while neglecting your childrens’ educational funds. That makes tremendous sense. Perhaps the children don’t even really need higher education, thus increasing the likelihood that they will perpetuate their parents’ fine investment decisions. Fantastic idea. After all, we don’t want to cause any problems for next door neighbor Bob’s refi or ruffle any feathers in the neighborhood.
This person’s circumstances are affected by the fact that the distressed property is, ahem, “income” property, which has certain legal implications relating to…walkability. Speaking more in generalities, then, I suggest that anyone who can walk with nothing but a damaged credit report must consider doing so if the alternative is financial ruin. Anyone who steers their own bus, family aboard, over the cliff when there is a way out is arguably an idiot.
And what of those, you ask, who do not face financial ruin but instead would like to shave a few hundred grand off their mortgage balance? I can hear the morality drumbeats grow louder on this one, but I’m not inclined to cast stones regarding someone’s business decision pursuant to a contract that if at all typical has provisions on point. Now will there be a macroeconomic effect of decisions to walk? Yes. Will I be affected in some way? Probably. But it’s certainly naive to believe that we have not been affected by the decisions of our fellow man/consumer/borrower/insured/etc over the span of time. This is no different.
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February 6, 2008 at 11:50 AM #148764
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February 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM #148964
nostradamus
ParticipantHi Kelly,
Thanks for the link. Can you write a story about financially responsible people who bought homes within a price range they could easily afford, and who now have significant savings yet are regretful due to the fact that the fed–to stave off a recession caused by fiscal recklessness– has lowered rates hereby devaluing the dollar while reducing bond and cd interest rates which in turn causes said financially responsible people to become so infuriated that they write run-on sentences?I think that would be a great story for which I have a lot of input. You might call it “Heads you lose, tails you lose” (i.e. if you overextended yourself with exotic loans you’re screwed, if you didn’t and you saved your money you’re still screwed).
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February 6, 2008 at 5:36 PM #148969
kewp
ParticipantKelly,
I think you should make a point that there is really no ‘moral’ obligation to service mortgage debt. Its a contract, the house is the collateral, so tossing the keys is part of the deal.
If the neighbors are so concerned about not blowing the comps, they can always incorporate and buy up all the foreclosure properties at an inflated price.
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February 6, 2008 at 5:36 PM #149225
kewp
ParticipantKelly,
I think you should make a point that there is really no ‘moral’ obligation to service mortgage debt. Its a contract, the house is the collateral, so tossing the keys is part of the deal.
If the neighbors are so concerned about not blowing the comps, they can always incorporate and buy up all the foreclosure properties at an inflated price.
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February 6, 2008 at 5:36 PM #149236
kewp
ParticipantKelly,
I think you should make a point that there is really no ‘moral’ obligation to service mortgage debt. Its a contract, the house is the collateral, so tossing the keys is part of the deal.
If the neighbors are so concerned about not blowing the comps, they can always incorporate and buy up all the foreclosure properties at an inflated price.
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February 6, 2008 at 5:36 PM #149253
kewp
ParticipantKelly,
I think you should make a point that there is really no ‘moral’ obligation to service mortgage debt. Its a contract, the house is the collateral, so tossing the keys is part of the deal.
If the neighbors are so concerned about not blowing the comps, they can always incorporate and buy up all the foreclosure properties at an inflated price.
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February 6, 2008 at 5:36 PM #149326
kewp
ParticipantKelly,
I think you should make a point that there is really no ‘moral’ obligation to service mortgage debt. Its a contract, the house is the collateral, so tossing the keys is part of the deal.
If the neighbors are so concerned about not blowing the comps, they can always incorporate and buy up all the foreclosure properties at an inflated price.
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February 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM #149220
nostradamus
ParticipantHi Kelly,
Thanks for the link. Can you write a story about financially responsible people who bought homes within a price range they could easily afford, and who now have significant savings yet are regretful due to the fact that the fed–to stave off a recession caused by fiscal recklessness– has lowered rates hereby devaluing the dollar while reducing bond and cd interest rates which in turn causes said financially responsible people to become so infuriated that they write run-on sentences?I think that would be a great story for which I have a lot of input. You might call it “Heads you lose, tails you lose” (i.e. if you overextended yourself with exotic loans you’re screwed, if you didn’t and you saved your money you’re still screwed).
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February 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM #149231
nostradamus
ParticipantHi Kelly,
Thanks for the link. Can you write a story about financially responsible people who bought homes within a price range they could easily afford, and who now have significant savings yet are regretful due to the fact that the fed–to stave off a recession caused by fiscal recklessness– has lowered rates hereby devaluing the dollar while reducing bond and cd interest rates which in turn causes said financially responsible people to become so infuriated that they write run-on sentences?I think that would be a great story for which I have a lot of input. You might call it “Heads you lose, tails you lose” (i.e. if you overextended yourself with exotic loans you’re screwed, if you didn’t and you saved your money you’re still screwed).
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February 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM #149247
nostradamus
ParticipantHi Kelly,
Thanks for the link. Can you write a story about financially responsible people who bought homes within a price range they could easily afford, and who now have significant savings yet are regretful due to the fact that the fed–to stave off a recession caused by fiscal recklessness– has lowered rates hereby devaluing the dollar while reducing bond and cd interest rates which in turn causes said financially responsible people to become so infuriated that they write run-on sentences?I think that would be a great story for which I have a lot of input. You might call it “Heads you lose, tails you lose” (i.e. if you overextended yourself with exotic loans you’re screwed, if you didn’t and you saved your money you’re still screwed).
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February 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM #149320
nostradamus
ParticipantHi Kelly,
Thanks for the link. Can you write a story about financially responsible people who bought homes within a price range they could easily afford, and who now have significant savings yet are regretful due to the fact that the fed–to stave off a recession caused by fiscal recklessness– has lowered rates hereby devaluing the dollar while reducing bond and cd interest rates which in turn causes said financially responsible people to become so infuriated that they write run-on sentences?I think that would be a great story for which I have a lot of input. You might call it “Heads you lose, tails you lose” (i.e. if you overextended yourself with exotic loans you’re screwed, if you didn’t and you saved your money you’re still screwed).
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February 5, 2008 at 8:03 PM #148836
DaCounselor
ParticipantI would be more inclined to call it stupidity as opposed to honor, Kelly. Our astute “investor” (characterizing a property that is negative cash flow from the get-go an “income” property is our first sign of who we are dealing with) throws down the morality card we have debated here for months. My advice to this person, having already acknowledged that they have made a bad business decision, is to start thinking long and hard about whether their priorities should rest with some over-reaching sense of obligation to their neighborhood as opposed to their own family.
Yes indeed, there is great “honor” in sinking increasing amounts of money into a bad investment while neglecting your childrens’ educational funds. That makes tremendous sense. Perhaps the children don’t even really need higher education, thus increasing the likelihood that they will perpetuate their parents’ fine investment decisions. Fantastic idea. After all, we don’t want to cause any problems for next door neighbor Bob’s refi or ruffle any feathers in the neighborhood.
This person’s circumstances are affected by the fact that the distressed property is, ahem, “income” property, which has certain legal implications relating to…walkability. Speaking more in generalities, then, I suggest that anyone who can walk with nothing but a damaged credit report must consider doing so if the alternative is financial ruin. Anyone who steers their own bus, family aboard, over the cliff when there is a way out is arguably an idiot.
And what of those, you ask, who do not face financial ruin but instead would like to shave a few hundred grand off their mortgage balance? I can hear the morality drumbeats grow louder on this one, but I’m not inclined to cast stones regarding someone’s business decision pursuant to a contract that if at all typical has provisions on point. Now will there be a macroeconomic effect of decisions to walk? Yes. Will I be affected in some way? Probably. But it’s certainly naive to believe that we have not been affected by the decisions of our fellow man/consumer/borrower/insured/etc over the span of time. This is no different.
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February 5, 2008 at 8:03 PM #148853
DaCounselor
ParticipantI would be more inclined to call it stupidity as opposed to honor, Kelly. Our astute “investor” (characterizing a property that is negative cash flow from the get-go an “income” property is our first sign of who we are dealing with) throws down the morality card we have debated here for months. My advice to this person, having already acknowledged that they have made a bad business decision, is to start thinking long and hard about whether their priorities should rest with some over-reaching sense of obligation to their neighborhood as opposed to their own family.
Yes indeed, there is great “honor” in sinking increasing amounts of money into a bad investment while neglecting your childrens’ educational funds. That makes tremendous sense. Perhaps the children don’t even really need higher education, thus increasing the likelihood that they will perpetuate their parents’ fine investment decisions. Fantastic idea. After all, we don’t want to cause any problems for next door neighbor Bob’s refi or ruffle any feathers in the neighborhood.
This person’s circumstances are affected by the fact that the distressed property is, ahem, “income” property, which has certain legal implications relating to…walkability. Speaking more in generalities, then, I suggest that anyone who can walk with nothing but a damaged credit report must consider doing so if the alternative is financial ruin. Anyone who steers their own bus, family aboard, over the cliff when there is a way out is arguably an idiot.
And what of those, you ask, who do not face financial ruin but instead would like to shave a few hundred grand off their mortgage balance? I can hear the morality drumbeats grow louder on this one, but I’m not inclined to cast stones regarding someone’s business decision pursuant to a contract that if at all typical has provisions on point. Now will there be a macroeconomic effect of decisions to walk? Yes. Will I be affected in some way? Probably. But it’s certainly naive to believe that we have not been affected by the decisions of our fellow man/consumer/borrower/insured/etc over the span of time. This is no different.
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February 5, 2008 at 8:03 PM #148865
DaCounselor
ParticipantI would be more inclined to call it stupidity as opposed to honor, Kelly. Our astute “investor” (characterizing a property that is negative cash flow from the get-go an “income” property is our first sign of who we are dealing with) throws down the morality card we have debated here for months. My advice to this person, having already acknowledged that they have made a bad business decision, is to start thinking long and hard about whether their priorities should rest with some over-reaching sense of obligation to their neighborhood as opposed to their own family.
Yes indeed, there is great “honor” in sinking increasing amounts of money into a bad investment while neglecting your childrens’ educational funds. That makes tremendous sense. Perhaps the children don’t even really need higher education, thus increasing the likelihood that they will perpetuate their parents’ fine investment decisions. Fantastic idea. After all, we don’t want to cause any problems for next door neighbor Bob’s refi or ruffle any feathers in the neighborhood.
This person’s circumstances are affected by the fact that the distressed property is, ahem, “income” property, which has certain legal implications relating to…walkability. Speaking more in generalities, then, I suggest that anyone who can walk with nothing but a damaged credit report must consider doing so if the alternative is financial ruin. Anyone who steers their own bus, family aboard, over the cliff when there is a way out is arguably an idiot.
And what of those, you ask, who do not face financial ruin but instead would like to shave a few hundred grand off their mortgage balance? I can hear the morality drumbeats grow louder on this one, but I’m not inclined to cast stones regarding someone’s business decision pursuant to a contract that if at all typical has provisions on point. Now will there be a macroeconomic effect of decisions to walk? Yes. Will I be affected in some way? Probably. But it’s certainly naive to believe that we have not been affected by the decisions of our fellow man/consumer/borrower/insured/etc over the span of time. This is no different.
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February 5, 2008 at 8:03 PM #148938
DaCounselor
ParticipantI would be more inclined to call it stupidity as opposed to honor, Kelly. Our astute “investor” (characterizing a property that is negative cash flow from the get-go an “income” property is our first sign of who we are dealing with) throws down the morality card we have debated here for months. My advice to this person, having already acknowledged that they have made a bad business decision, is to start thinking long and hard about whether their priorities should rest with some over-reaching sense of obligation to their neighborhood as opposed to their own family.
Yes indeed, there is great “honor” in sinking increasing amounts of money into a bad investment while neglecting your childrens’ educational funds. That makes tremendous sense. Perhaps the children don’t even really need higher education, thus increasing the likelihood that they will perpetuate their parents’ fine investment decisions. Fantastic idea. After all, we don’t want to cause any problems for next door neighbor Bob’s refi or ruffle any feathers in the neighborhood.
This person’s circumstances are affected by the fact that the distressed property is, ahem, “income” property, which has certain legal implications relating to…walkability. Speaking more in generalities, then, I suggest that anyone who can walk with nothing but a damaged credit report must consider doing so if the alternative is financial ruin. Anyone who steers their own bus, family aboard, over the cliff when there is a way out is arguably an idiot.
And what of those, you ask, who do not face financial ruin but instead would like to shave a few hundred grand off their mortgage balance? I can hear the morality drumbeats grow louder on this one, but I’m not inclined to cast stones regarding someone’s business decision pursuant to a contract that if at all typical has provisions on point. Now will there be a macroeconomic effect of decisions to walk? Yes. Will I be affected in some way? Probably. But it’s certainly naive to believe that we have not been affected by the decisions of our fellow man/consumer/borrower/insured/etc over the span of time. This is no different.
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February 5, 2008 at 2:36 PM #148735
kelly
ParticipantStill looking for people who are trying to decide whether to walk away from their mortgages.
In the meantime, I heard from one of our readers with a compelling story that I thought you’d be interested in. Click on this link to go there.
Here’s a taste:
It’s troubling to me that people have so little shame — and so little sense of obligation toward their neighbors and their commitments — that they would just throw up their hands and not make their best efforts to do what they said they would.
If you have ideas or people I should talk to, please send me an e-mail — kelly.bennett(at)voiceofsandiego.org
Thanks, Piggs –
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February 5, 2008 at 2:36 PM #148753
kelly
ParticipantStill looking for people who are trying to decide whether to walk away from their mortgages.
In the meantime, I heard from one of our readers with a compelling story that I thought you’d be interested in. Click on this link to go there.
Here’s a taste:
It’s troubling to me that people have so little shame — and so little sense of obligation toward their neighbors and their commitments — that they would just throw up their hands and not make their best efforts to do what they said they would.
If you have ideas or people I should talk to, please send me an e-mail — kelly.bennett(at)voiceofsandiego.org
Thanks, Piggs –
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February 5, 2008 at 2:36 PM #148765
kelly
ParticipantStill looking for people who are trying to decide whether to walk away from their mortgages.
In the meantime, I heard from one of our readers with a compelling story that I thought you’d be interested in. Click on this link to go there.
Here’s a taste:
It’s troubling to me that people have so little shame — and so little sense of obligation toward their neighbors and their commitments — that they would just throw up their hands and not make their best efforts to do what they said they would.
If you have ideas or people I should talk to, please send me an e-mail — kelly.bennett(at)voiceofsandiego.org
Thanks, Piggs –
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February 5, 2008 at 2:36 PM #148837
kelly
ParticipantStill looking for people who are trying to decide whether to walk away from their mortgages.
In the meantime, I heard from one of our readers with a compelling story that I thought you’d be interested in. Click on this link to go there.
Here’s a taste:
It’s troubling to me that people have so little shame — and so little sense of obligation toward their neighbors and their commitments — that they would just throw up their hands and not make their best efforts to do what they said they would.
If you have ideas or people I should talk to, please send me an e-mail — kelly.bennett(at)voiceofsandiego.org
Thanks, Piggs –
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February 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM #148240
kelly
ParticipantI’m a reporter for voiceofsandiego.org and would love to talk to someone who’s talked with this company or who’s considering walking away.
Please e-mail me at kelly.bennett(at)voiceofsandiego.org if that’s you.
kb
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February 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM #148259
kelly
ParticipantI’m a reporter for voiceofsandiego.org and would love to talk to someone who’s talked with this company or who’s considering walking away.
Please e-mail me at kelly.bennett(at)voiceofsandiego.org if that’s you.
kb
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February 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM #148272
kelly
ParticipantI’m a reporter for voiceofsandiego.org and would love to talk to someone who’s talked with this company or who’s considering walking away.
Please e-mail me at kelly.bennett(at)voiceofsandiego.org if that’s you.
kb
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February 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM #148341
kelly
ParticipantI’m a reporter for voiceofsandiego.org and would love to talk to someone who’s talked with this company or who’s considering walking away.
Please e-mail me at kelly.bennett(at)voiceofsandiego.org if that’s you.
kb
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January 31, 2008 at 3:48 PM #146441
beanmaestro
ParticipantNR-
I’m in Santa Barbara, so I’m not that familiar with SD’s rental occupancy rate. But near my house (not the most fashionable part of town), there are a bunch of fairly plain apartment complexes that always have a vacancy or three. These complexes can’t afford to turn down fully employed applicants who can afford the full deposit, just because they’re being foreclosed. Or at least, based on people I know who live there, they’re willing to take anyone with a job (or financial aid) and a deposit. And you have to figure that growing number of foreclosures will reduce its stigma.
I just don’t see thousands of foreclosed families walking the streets because apartments they can afford would rather have vacancies than let them in. More likely they just demand an extra $1k in deposit. If there’s a demand, someone will create the supply.
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January 31, 2008 at 3:48 PM #146468
beanmaestro
ParticipantNR-
I’m in Santa Barbara, so I’m not that familiar with SD’s rental occupancy rate. But near my house (not the most fashionable part of town), there are a bunch of fairly plain apartment complexes that always have a vacancy or three. These complexes can’t afford to turn down fully employed applicants who can afford the full deposit, just because they’re being foreclosed. Or at least, based on people I know who live there, they’re willing to take anyone with a job (or financial aid) and a deposit. And you have to figure that growing number of foreclosures will reduce its stigma.
I just don’t see thousands of foreclosed families walking the streets because apartments they can afford would rather have vacancies than let them in. More likely they just demand an extra $1k in deposit. If there’s a demand, someone will create the supply.
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January 31, 2008 at 3:48 PM #146480
beanmaestro
ParticipantNR-
I’m in Santa Barbara, so I’m not that familiar with SD’s rental occupancy rate. But near my house (not the most fashionable part of town), there are a bunch of fairly plain apartment complexes that always have a vacancy or three. These complexes can’t afford to turn down fully employed applicants who can afford the full deposit, just because they’re being foreclosed. Or at least, based on people I know who live there, they’re willing to take anyone with a job (or financial aid) and a deposit. And you have to figure that growing number of foreclosures will reduce its stigma.
I just don’t see thousands of foreclosed families walking the streets because apartments they can afford would rather have vacancies than let them in. More likely they just demand an extra $1k in deposit. If there’s a demand, someone will create the supply.
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January 31, 2008 at 3:48 PM #146538
beanmaestro
ParticipantNR-
I’m in Santa Barbara, so I’m not that familiar with SD’s rental occupancy rate. But near my house (not the most fashionable part of town), there are a bunch of fairly plain apartment complexes that always have a vacancy or three. These complexes can’t afford to turn down fully employed applicants who can afford the full deposit, just because they’re being foreclosed. Or at least, based on people I know who live there, they’re willing to take anyone with a job (or financial aid) and a deposit. And you have to figure that growing number of foreclosures will reduce its stigma.
I just don’t see thousands of foreclosed families walking the streets because apartments they can afford would rather have vacancies than let them in. More likely they just demand an extra $1k in deposit. If there’s a demand, someone will create the supply.
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January 29, 2008 at 9:11 PM #145198
New_Renter
ParticipantMost landlords do a thorough credit check on prospective lessee’s these days. Doesn’t this put a little fly in the ointment on your scenario beanmaestro? Maybe they could find a desperate landlord, but from what I see, occupancy rates are quite high right now in San Diego, so landlords can be choosy and lower their risk…
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January 29, 2008 at 9:11 PM #145227
New_Renter
ParticipantMost landlords do a thorough credit check on prospective lessee’s these days. Doesn’t this put a little fly in the ointment on your scenario beanmaestro? Maybe they could find a desperate landlord, but from what I see, occupancy rates are quite high right now in San Diego, so landlords can be choosy and lower their risk…
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January 29, 2008 at 9:11 PM #145229
New_Renter
ParticipantMost landlords do a thorough credit check on prospective lessee’s these days. Doesn’t this put a little fly in the ointment on your scenario beanmaestro? Maybe they could find a desperate landlord, but from what I see, occupancy rates are quite high right now in San Diego, so landlords can be choosy and lower their risk…
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January 29, 2008 at 9:11 PM #145299
New_Renter
ParticipantMost landlords do a thorough credit check on prospective lessee’s these days. Doesn’t this put a little fly in the ointment on your scenario beanmaestro? Maybe they could find a desperate landlord, but from what I see, occupancy rates are quite high right now in San Diego, so landlords can be choosy and lower their risk…
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January 29, 2008 at 5:44 PM #145138
beanmaestro
ParticipantFrankly, this is a brilliant idea for the underwater homedebtor.
You’ve been piling up credit card debt to pay the mortgage, and bleeding more each month. So you stop paying now (since it’s a matter of time anyway), pay off your credit cards, and save up a security deposit in the months before eviction. You clear your credit check on your new rental before the foreclosure, and know exactly when you have to move. Seems almost civilized…
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January 29, 2008 at 5:44 PM #145167
beanmaestro
ParticipantFrankly, this is a brilliant idea for the underwater homedebtor.
You’ve been piling up credit card debt to pay the mortgage, and bleeding more each month. So you stop paying now (since it’s a matter of time anyway), pay off your credit cards, and save up a security deposit in the months before eviction. You clear your credit check on your new rental before the foreclosure, and know exactly when you have to move. Seems almost civilized…
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January 29, 2008 at 5:44 PM #145170
beanmaestro
ParticipantFrankly, this is a brilliant idea for the underwater homedebtor.
You’ve been piling up credit card debt to pay the mortgage, and bleeding more each month. So you stop paying now (since it’s a matter of time anyway), pay off your credit cards, and save up a security deposit in the months before eviction. You clear your credit check on your new rental before the foreclosure, and know exactly when you have to move. Seems almost civilized…
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January 29, 2008 at 5:44 PM #145239
beanmaestro
ParticipantFrankly, this is a brilliant idea for the underwater homedebtor.
You’ve been piling up credit card debt to pay the mortgage, and bleeding more each month. So you stop paying now (since it’s a matter of time anyway), pay off your credit cards, and save up a security deposit in the months before eviction. You clear your credit check on your new rental before the foreclosure, and know exactly when you have to move. Seems almost civilized…
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January 29, 2008 at 5:15 PM #145124
michael
ParticipantDisclaimer on bottom of home page…
“This company and site informs its users about foreclosure law designed to help them safely cope with their own legal needs. However, legal information is not the same as legal advice. The law as it applies to each individual varies with specific circumstances. The laws of each state are constantly changing, and although we go to great lengths to make sure our information is accurate and useful, we recommend you consult a lawyer if you want professional assurance that our information, and your interpretation of it, is appropriate to your particular situation.”
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January 29, 2008 at 5:15 PM #145152
michael
ParticipantDisclaimer on bottom of home page…
“This company and site informs its users about foreclosure law designed to help them safely cope with their own legal needs. However, legal information is not the same as legal advice. The law as it applies to each individual varies with specific circumstances. The laws of each state are constantly changing, and although we go to great lengths to make sure our information is accurate and useful, we recommend you consult a lawyer if you want professional assurance that our information, and your interpretation of it, is appropriate to your particular situation.”
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January 29, 2008 at 5:15 PM #145155
michael
ParticipantDisclaimer on bottom of home page…
“This company and site informs its users about foreclosure law designed to help them safely cope with their own legal needs. However, legal information is not the same as legal advice. The law as it applies to each individual varies with specific circumstances. The laws of each state are constantly changing, and although we go to great lengths to make sure our information is accurate and useful, we recommend you consult a lawyer if you want professional assurance that our information, and your interpretation of it, is appropriate to your particular situation.”
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January 29, 2008 at 5:15 PM #145225
michael
ParticipantDisclaimer on bottom of home page…
“This company and site informs its users about foreclosure law designed to help them safely cope with their own legal needs. However, legal information is not the same as legal advice. The law as it applies to each individual varies with specific circumstances. The laws of each state are constantly changing, and although we go to great lengths to make sure our information is accurate and useful, we recommend you consult a lawyer if you want professional assurance that our information, and your interpretation of it, is appropriate to your particular situation.”
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January 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM #145099
DoJC
ParticipantWow, this twist could really aggravate the housing problem we’re having. When people who can otherwise afford their home simply walk away due to the unfavorable ratio of mortgage debt to value on their home we’re in for some seriously bad housing market times. Lenders will become even less willing to extend loans to people that could easily buy a home due to the risk in states like CA where the plunge is still happening.
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January 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM #145127
DoJC
ParticipantWow, this twist could really aggravate the housing problem we’re having. When people who can otherwise afford their home simply walk away due to the unfavorable ratio of mortgage debt to value on their home we’re in for some seriously bad housing market times. Lenders will become even less willing to extend loans to people that could easily buy a home due to the risk in states like CA where the plunge is still happening.
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January 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM #145131
DoJC
ParticipantWow, this twist could really aggravate the housing problem we’re having. When people who can otherwise afford their home simply walk away due to the unfavorable ratio of mortgage debt to value on their home we’re in for some seriously bad housing market times. Lenders will become even less willing to extend loans to people that could easily buy a home due to the risk in states like CA where the plunge is still happening.
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January 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM #145201
DoJC
ParticipantWow, this twist could really aggravate the housing problem we’re having. When people who can otherwise afford their home simply walk away due to the unfavorable ratio of mortgage debt to value on their home we’re in for some seriously bad housing market times. Lenders will become even less willing to extend loans to people that could easily buy a home due to the risk in states like CA where the plunge is still happening.
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January 29, 2008 at 6:21 PM #144911
Pasadena Broker
ParticipantGotta love stock photos.
Foreclosure looks like fun
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January 29, 2008 at 6:21 PM #145149
Pasadena Broker
ParticipantGotta love stock photos.
Foreclosure looks like fun
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January 29, 2008 at 6:21 PM #145177
Pasadena Broker
ParticipantGotta love stock photos.
Foreclosure looks like fun
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January 29, 2008 at 6:21 PM #145179
Pasadena Broker
ParticipantGotta love stock photos.
Foreclosure looks like fun
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January 29, 2008 at 6:21 PM #145250
Pasadena Broker
ParticipantGotta love stock photos.
Foreclosure looks like fun
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January 29, 2008 at 10:47 PM #145019
bubba99
ParticipantThis looks like a variation of the “Repair your Credit Scam”. The “kit” offers nothing that is not already guaranteed by law – right to walk away from purchase money mortgages, and phrases like “You CAN have the foreclosure REMOVED from your credit!”. All true, but it takes 7 years for the foreclosure to be removed. And yes Fannie Mae may lend to you in two years, but not likely.
All for the low low price of $995 – on sale now. Just another rip off by bottom feeders. Expect more of these as things get worse.
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January 30, 2008 at 11:52 AM #145240
recordsclerk
ParticipantI’ve been a short sale that the buyer has stated that they are in the process of moving to their new home that they just purchased. I also spoke to a small store owner that is going to to the same thing. This is going to be big, people will walk away from being under water even if they can afford their payments. It’s not just going to be people that can’t afford payments after their teaser rate changes. Once this becomes more common place the majority of people underwater might do the same thing.
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January 30, 2008 at 11:56 AM #145249
Raybyrnes
ParticipantRates have come down. What to say when payments resent that the borrower is not going to be in the smae position payment wise that they were when they took out the loan.
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January 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM #145503
djrobsd
ParticipantHow much is your service?
A. With our money back guarantee, you get it all for only $995.00. This can be made in three easy payments of $332.00. Regular price is $1,195.00. For a limited time only price is reduced and subject to change without notice.
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January 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM #145744
djrobsd
ParticipantHow much is your service?
A. With our money back guarantee, you get it all for only $995.00. This can be made in three easy payments of $332.00. Regular price is $1,195.00. For a limited time only price is reduced and subject to change without notice.
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January 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM #145773
djrobsd
ParticipantHow much is your service?
A. With our money back guarantee, you get it all for only $995.00. This can be made in three easy payments of $332.00. Regular price is $1,195.00. For a limited time only price is reduced and subject to change without notice.
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January 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM #145784
djrobsd
ParticipantHow much is your service?
A. With our money back guarantee, you get it all for only $995.00. This can be made in three easy payments of $332.00. Regular price is $1,195.00. For a limited time only price is reduced and subject to change without notice.
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January 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM #145845
djrobsd
ParticipantHow much is your service?
A. With our money back guarantee, you get it all for only $995.00. This can be made in three easy payments of $332.00. Regular price is $1,195.00. For a limited time only price is reduced and subject to change without notice.
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January 30, 2008 at 11:56 AM #145490
Raybyrnes
ParticipantRates have come down. What to say when payments resent that the borrower is not going to be in the smae position payment wise that they were when they took out the loan.
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January 30, 2008 at 11:56 AM #145520
Raybyrnes
ParticipantRates have come down. What to say when payments resent that the borrower is not going to be in the smae position payment wise that they were when they took out the loan.
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January 30, 2008 at 11:56 AM #145528
Raybyrnes
ParticipantRates have come down. What to say when payments resent that the borrower is not going to be in the smae position payment wise that they were when they took out the loan.
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January 30, 2008 at 11:56 AM #145591
Raybyrnes
ParticipantRates have come down. What to say when payments resent that the borrower is not going to be in the smae position payment wise that they were when they took out the loan.
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January 30, 2008 at 11:52 AM #145479
recordsclerk
ParticipantI’ve been a short sale that the buyer has stated that they are in the process of moving to their new home that they just purchased. I also spoke to a small store owner that is going to to the same thing. This is going to be big, people will walk away from being under water even if they can afford their payments. It’s not just going to be people that can’t afford payments after their teaser rate changes. Once this becomes more common place the majority of people underwater might do the same thing.
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January 30, 2008 at 11:52 AM #145507
recordsclerk
ParticipantI’ve been a short sale that the buyer has stated that they are in the process of moving to their new home that they just purchased. I also spoke to a small store owner that is going to to the same thing. This is going to be big, people will walk away from being under water even if they can afford their payments. It’s not just going to be people that can’t afford payments after their teaser rate changes. Once this becomes more common place the majority of people underwater might do the same thing.
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January 30, 2008 at 11:52 AM #145517
recordsclerk
ParticipantI’ve been a short sale that the buyer has stated that they are in the process of moving to their new home that they just purchased. I also spoke to a small store owner that is going to to the same thing. This is going to be big, people will walk away from being under water even if they can afford their payments. It’s not just going to be people that can’t afford payments after their teaser rate changes. Once this becomes more common place the majority of people underwater might do the same thing.
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January 30, 2008 at 11:52 AM #145581
recordsclerk
ParticipantI’ve been a short sale that the buyer has stated that they are in the process of moving to their new home that they just purchased. I also spoke to a small store owner that is going to to the same thing. This is going to be big, people will walk away from being under water even if they can afford their payments. It’s not just going to be people that can’t afford payments after their teaser rate changes. Once this becomes more common place the majority of people underwater might do the same thing.
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January 29, 2008 at 10:47 PM #145258
bubba99
ParticipantThis looks like a variation of the “Repair your Credit Scam”. The “kit” offers nothing that is not already guaranteed by law – right to walk away from purchase money mortgages, and phrases like “You CAN have the foreclosure REMOVED from your credit!”. All true, but it takes 7 years for the foreclosure to be removed. And yes Fannie Mae may lend to you in two years, but not likely.
All for the low low price of $995 – on sale now. Just another rip off by bottom feeders. Expect more of these as things get worse.
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January 29, 2008 at 10:47 PM #145287
bubba99
ParticipantThis looks like a variation of the “Repair your Credit Scam”. The “kit” offers nothing that is not already guaranteed by law – right to walk away from purchase money mortgages, and phrases like “You CAN have the foreclosure REMOVED from your credit!”. All true, but it takes 7 years for the foreclosure to be removed. And yes Fannie Mae may lend to you in two years, but not likely.
All for the low low price of $995 – on sale now. Just another rip off by bottom feeders. Expect more of these as things get worse.
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January 29, 2008 at 10:47 PM #145289
bubba99
ParticipantThis looks like a variation of the “Repair your Credit Scam”. The “kit” offers nothing that is not already guaranteed by law – right to walk away from purchase money mortgages, and phrases like “You CAN have the foreclosure REMOVED from your credit!”. All true, but it takes 7 years for the foreclosure to be removed. And yes Fannie Mae may lend to you in two years, but not likely.
All for the low low price of $995 – on sale now. Just another rip off by bottom feeders. Expect more of these as things get worse.
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January 29, 2008 at 10:47 PM #145361
bubba99
ParticipantThis looks like a variation of the “Repair your Credit Scam”. The “kit” offers nothing that is not already guaranteed by law – right to walk away from purchase money mortgages, and phrases like “You CAN have the foreclosure REMOVED from your credit!”. All true, but it takes 7 years for the foreclosure to be removed. And yes Fannie Mae may lend to you in two years, but not likely.
All for the low low price of $995 – on sale now. Just another rip off by bottom feeders. Expect more of these as things get worse.
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February 7, 2008 at 5:35 PM #149501
Mayer
Participanthttp://www.youwalkaway.com was just on Channel 8 news at 5 PM and got some free advertising. Looks like it’s getting a little coverage from the MSM as well now. They gave a little description of the company and introduced the two founders. It got about three minutes worth of coverage.
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February 15, 2008 at 6:36 PM #154002
citydweller
ParticipantDJNinSD, hope some of this info is helpful.
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February 25, 2008 at 6:51 PM #154027
jpinpb
ParticipantThis is JMHO.
Costco has a money back guarantee. Except recently instituted electronics, anything you buy at Costco, you can return regardless of how long you’ve had this item. I know someone that returned a vacuum cleaner after a couple of years. People return heaters they purchased in the winter. It is their policy. They want customers to be satisfied.I’m not sure if everyone is familiar w/this. Most people are, especially if they shop at Costco. Some people think it’s wrong to do this, return something. They’ll take your purchase back, even w/out receipt. They just need your card and they have a record of your purchase in the computer.
Now, why is it wrong if it is Costco’s very own policy. They are betting most people won’t return items. But if it’s their policy, then some people take advantage of that. It is an understanding between customer and Costco.
If you enter into a contract w/a bank for a loan to buy the house and they don’t even bother to check if you can even make the payments and lo and behold you can’t, then the bank takes the house which you purchased w/their loan and they have held as collateral.
This should not really be considered wrong. It’s the terms of the contract and the bank agreed to this, as you have.
Sucks for everyone playing by the rules, but that’s how it is. The banks get the shaft. It will be less painful than have the people become mortgage slaves at the expense of taxpayers.
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February 25, 2008 at 6:51 PM #154302
jpinpb
ParticipantThis is JMHO.
Costco has a money back guarantee. Except recently instituted electronics, anything you buy at Costco, you can return regardless of how long you’ve had this item. I know someone that returned a vacuum cleaner after a couple of years. People return heaters they purchased in the winter. It is their policy. They want customers to be satisfied.I’m not sure if everyone is familiar w/this. Most people are, especially if they shop at Costco. Some people think it’s wrong to do this, return something. They’ll take your purchase back, even w/out receipt. They just need your card and they have a record of your purchase in the computer.
Now, why is it wrong if it is Costco’s very own policy. They are betting most people won’t return items. But if it’s their policy, then some people take advantage of that. It is an understanding between customer and Costco.
If you enter into a contract w/a bank for a loan to buy the house and they don’t even bother to check if you can even make the payments and lo and behold you can’t, then the bank takes the house which you purchased w/their loan and they have held as collateral.
This should not really be considered wrong. It’s the terms of the contract and the bank agreed to this, as you have.
Sucks for everyone playing by the rules, but that’s how it is. The banks get the shaft. It will be less painful than have the people become mortgage slaves at the expense of taxpayers.
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February 25, 2008 at 6:51 PM #154314
jpinpb
ParticipantThis is JMHO.
Costco has a money back guarantee. Except recently instituted electronics, anything you buy at Costco, you can return regardless of how long you’ve had this item. I know someone that returned a vacuum cleaner after a couple of years. People return heaters they purchased in the winter. It is their policy. They want customers to be satisfied.I’m not sure if everyone is familiar w/this. Most people are, especially if they shop at Costco. Some people think it’s wrong to do this, return something. They’ll take your purchase back, even w/out receipt. They just need your card and they have a record of your purchase in the computer.
Now, why is it wrong if it is Costco’s very own policy. They are betting most people won’t return items. But if it’s their policy, then some people take advantage of that. It is an understanding between customer and Costco.
If you enter into a contract w/a bank for a loan to buy the house and they don’t even bother to check if you can even make the payments and lo and behold you can’t, then the bank takes the house which you purchased w/their loan and they have held as collateral.
This should not really be considered wrong. It’s the terms of the contract and the bank agreed to this, as you have.
Sucks for everyone playing by the rules, but that’s how it is. The banks get the shaft. It will be less painful than have the people become mortgage slaves at the expense of taxpayers.
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February 25, 2008 at 6:51 PM #154325
jpinpb
ParticipantThis is JMHO.
Costco has a money back guarantee. Except recently instituted electronics, anything you buy at Costco, you can return regardless of how long you’ve had this item. I know someone that returned a vacuum cleaner after a couple of years. People return heaters they purchased in the winter. It is their policy. They want customers to be satisfied.I’m not sure if everyone is familiar w/this. Most people are, especially if they shop at Costco. Some people think it’s wrong to do this, return something. They’ll take your purchase back, even w/out receipt. They just need your card and they have a record of your purchase in the computer.
Now, why is it wrong if it is Costco’s very own policy. They are betting most people won’t return items. But if it’s their policy, then some people take advantage of that. It is an understanding between customer and Costco.
If you enter into a contract w/a bank for a loan to buy the house and they don’t even bother to check if you can even make the payments and lo and behold you can’t, then the bank takes the house which you purchased w/their loan and they have held as collateral.
This should not really be considered wrong. It’s the terms of the contract and the bank agreed to this, as you have.
Sucks for everyone playing by the rules, but that’s how it is. The banks get the shaft. It will be less painful than have the people become mortgage slaves at the expense of taxpayers.
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February 25, 2008 at 6:51 PM #154403
jpinpb
ParticipantThis is JMHO.
Costco has a money back guarantee. Except recently instituted electronics, anything you buy at Costco, you can return regardless of how long you’ve had this item. I know someone that returned a vacuum cleaner after a couple of years. People return heaters they purchased in the winter. It is their policy. They want customers to be satisfied.I’m not sure if everyone is familiar w/this. Most people are, especially if they shop at Costco. Some people think it’s wrong to do this, return something. They’ll take your purchase back, even w/out receipt. They just need your card and they have a record of your purchase in the computer.
Now, why is it wrong if it is Costco’s very own policy. They are betting most people won’t return items. But if it’s their policy, then some people take advantage of that. It is an understanding between customer and Costco.
If you enter into a contract w/a bank for a loan to buy the house and they don’t even bother to check if you can even make the payments and lo and behold you can’t, then the bank takes the house which you purchased w/their loan and they have held as collateral.
This should not really be considered wrong. It’s the terms of the contract and the bank agreed to this, as you have.
Sucks for everyone playing by the rules, but that’s how it is. The banks get the shaft. It will be less painful than have the people become mortgage slaves at the expense of taxpayers.
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February 15, 2008 at 6:36 PM #154277
citydweller
ParticipantDJNinSD, hope some of this info is helpful.
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February 15, 2008 at 6:36 PM #154290
citydweller
ParticipantDJNinSD, hope some of this info is helpful.
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February 15, 2008 at 6:36 PM #154299
citydweller
ParticipantDJNinSD, hope some of this info is helpful.
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February 15, 2008 at 6:36 PM #154378
citydweller
ParticipantDJNinSD, hope some of this info is helpful.
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February 7, 2008 at 5:35 PM #149758
Mayer
Participanthttp://www.youwalkaway.com was just on Channel 8 news at 5 PM and got some free advertising. Looks like it’s getting a little coverage from the MSM as well now. They gave a little description of the company and introduced the two founders. It got about three minutes worth of coverage.
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February 7, 2008 at 5:35 PM #149770
Mayer
Participanthttp://www.youwalkaway.com was just on Channel 8 news at 5 PM and got some free advertising. Looks like it’s getting a little coverage from the MSM as well now. They gave a little description of the company and introduced the two founders. It got about three minutes worth of coverage.
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February 7, 2008 at 5:35 PM #149786
Mayer
Participanthttp://www.youwalkaway.com was just on Channel 8 news at 5 PM and got some free advertising. Looks like it’s getting a little coverage from the MSM as well now. They gave a little description of the company and introduced the two founders. It got about three minutes worth of coverage.
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February 7, 2008 at 5:35 PM #149857
Mayer
Participanthttp://www.youwalkaway.com was just on Channel 8 news at 5 PM and got some free advertising. Looks like it’s getting a little coverage from the MSM as well now. They gave a little description of the company and introduced the two founders. It got about three minutes worth of coverage.
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February 25, 2008 at 6:52 PM #159846
jpinpb
ParticipantWhy Not Just Walk Away from a Home?
They have made news on NPR:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19346659-
February 25, 2008 at 9:23 PM #159904
Deal Hunter
ParticipantWalkers make great Renters.
2 of our rentals had leases that expired in Dec. The former rent rate was $1025/mo. We put the house back on the rental market in January and got 16 applicants right away. The highest bids came from people who walked away from their homes and accepted foreclosure.
The only thing on their credit was the 90 and 120 day lates on their mortgages. Our prop manager did disclose to us that the applicants got foreclosed upon. However, they offered $1450/mo for the available house. We accepted and they put up 2 months rent as deposit.
My second property went to another “walker” that begged us to consider a rent-to-own/lease op. This one also offered above the asking ($1300/mo). With this one, we decided to do a 6 month lease to be replaced with a lease op as long as he pays on time.
The walking away phenomenon is working out great for me, as a landlord – so far. I’ll let you know in a few months if I get walked away from myself, but so far, so good.
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February 25, 2008 at 9:23 PM #160198
Deal Hunter
ParticipantWalkers make great Renters.
2 of our rentals had leases that expired in Dec. The former rent rate was $1025/mo. We put the house back on the rental market in January and got 16 applicants right away. The highest bids came from people who walked away from their homes and accepted foreclosure.
The only thing on their credit was the 90 and 120 day lates on their mortgages. Our prop manager did disclose to us that the applicants got foreclosed upon. However, they offered $1450/mo for the available house. We accepted and they put up 2 months rent as deposit.
My second property went to another “walker” that begged us to consider a rent-to-own/lease op. This one also offered above the asking ($1300/mo). With this one, we decided to do a 6 month lease to be replaced with a lease op as long as he pays on time.
The walking away phenomenon is working out great for me, as a landlord – so far. I’ll let you know in a few months if I get walked away from myself, but so far, so good.
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February 25, 2008 at 9:23 PM #160214
Deal Hunter
ParticipantWalkers make great Renters.
2 of our rentals had leases that expired in Dec. The former rent rate was $1025/mo. We put the house back on the rental market in January and got 16 applicants right away. The highest bids came from people who walked away from their homes and accepted foreclosure.
The only thing on their credit was the 90 and 120 day lates on their mortgages. Our prop manager did disclose to us that the applicants got foreclosed upon. However, they offered $1450/mo for the available house. We accepted and they put up 2 months rent as deposit.
My second property went to another “walker” that begged us to consider a rent-to-own/lease op. This one also offered above the asking ($1300/mo). With this one, we decided to do a 6 month lease to be replaced with a lease op as long as he pays on time.
The walking away phenomenon is working out great for me, as a landlord – so far. I’ll let you know in a few months if I get walked away from myself, but so far, so good.
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February 25, 2008 at 9:23 PM #160217
Deal Hunter
ParticipantWalkers make great Renters.
2 of our rentals had leases that expired in Dec. The former rent rate was $1025/mo. We put the house back on the rental market in January and got 16 applicants right away. The highest bids came from people who walked away from their homes and accepted foreclosure.
The only thing on their credit was the 90 and 120 day lates on their mortgages. Our prop manager did disclose to us that the applicants got foreclosed upon. However, they offered $1450/mo for the available house. We accepted and they put up 2 months rent as deposit.
My second property went to another “walker” that begged us to consider a rent-to-own/lease op. This one also offered above the asking ($1300/mo). With this one, we decided to do a 6 month lease to be replaced with a lease op as long as he pays on time.
The walking away phenomenon is working out great for me, as a landlord – so far. I’ll let you know in a few months if I get walked away from myself, but so far, so good.
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February 25, 2008 at 9:23 PM #160295
Deal Hunter
ParticipantWalkers make great Renters.
2 of our rentals had leases that expired in Dec. The former rent rate was $1025/mo. We put the house back on the rental market in January and got 16 applicants right away. The highest bids came from people who walked away from their homes and accepted foreclosure.
The only thing on their credit was the 90 and 120 day lates on their mortgages. Our prop manager did disclose to us that the applicants got foreclosed upon. However, they offered $1450/mo for the available house. We accepted and they put up 2 months rent as deposit.
My second property went to another “walker” that begged us to consider a rent-to-own/lease op. This one also offered above the asking ($1300/mo). With this one, we decided to do a 6 month lease to be replaced with a lease op as long as he pays on time.
The walking away phenomenon is working out great for me, as a landlord – so far. I’ll let you know in a few months if I get walked away from myself, but so far, so good.
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February 25, 2008 at 6:52 PM #160142
jpinpb
ParticipantWhy Not Just Walk Away from a Home?
They have made news on NPR:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19346659 -
February 25, 2008 at 6:52 PM #160159
jpinpb
ParticipantWhy Not Just Walk Away from a Home?
They have made news on NPR:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19346659 -
February 25, 2008 at 6:52 PM #160162
jpinpb
ParticipantWhy Not Just Walk Away from a Home?
They have made news on NPR:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19346659 -
February 25, 2008 at 6:52 PM #160240
jpinpb
ParticipantWhy Not Just Walk Away from a Home?
They have made news on NPR:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19346659
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