World Turned upside down

[sdrealtor]

So WhoTF are you agreeing with me or CAR? You flip flop more than a political candidate.

Let’s try this. I like puppies. Do you like puppies?

[bearishgurl]

[quote=sdrealtor]So WhoTF are you agreeing with me or CAR? You flip flop more than a political candidate…[/quote]

sdr, put down your glass for a minute and let your puppy outside … he’s whining to “do his business.”

If you’re referring to me here, I agree with CAR in that jobs which one can raise a family on which require only a HS education to obtain have been in short supply in recent years.

These jobs enabled an entire family to live, but NOT in the style a “typical Pigg” would prefer. Pigg or no Pigg, the vast majority of the “younger crowd” (especially “the 21-35 year-olds”) feel that they need everything you mention above in order to exist … and then some.

From what I’ve seen, a pervasive “sense of entitlement” exists among young people today. I’m struggling with how to fix this in my own daily experience. I guess this generation will figure it all out when their “dream job” fails to materialize right away for many of them after graduation from college. Some of these recent graduates will have to begin making student loan payments at the six-month mark after graduation causing them to enter the “school of hard knocks” along their eventual path to “self-sufficiency.”

It takes way too long for most young people to become self-sufficient today and I don’t know what can be done about this.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=sdrealtor]So WhoTF are you agreeing with me or CAR? You flip flop more than a political candidate…[/quote]

sdr, put down your glass for a minute and let your puppy outside … he’s whining to “do his business.”

If you’re referring to me here, I agree with CAR in that jobs which one can raise a family on which require only a HS education to obtain have been in short supply in recent years.

These jobs enabled an entire family to live, but NOT in the style a “typical Pigg” would prefer. Pigg or no Pigg, the vast majority of the “younger crowd” (especially “the 21-35 year-olds”) feel that they need everything you mention above in order to exist … and then some.

From what I’ve seen, a pervasive “sense of entitlement” exists among young people today. I’m struggling with how to fix this in my own daily experience. I guess this generation will figure it all out when their “dream job” fails to materialize right away for many of them after graduation from college. Some of these recent graduates will have to begin making student loan payments at the six-month mark after graduation causing them to enter the “school of hard knocks” along their eventual path to “self-sufficiency.”

It takes way too long for most young people to become self-sufficient today and I don’t know what can be done about this.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=sdrealtor]So WhoTF are you agreeing with me or CAR? You flip flop more than a political candidate…[/quote]

sdr, put down your glass for a minute and let your puppy outside … he’s whining to “do his business.”

If you’re referring to me here, I agree with CAR in that jobs which one can raise a family on which require only a HS education to obtain have been in short supply in recent years.

These jobs enabled an entire family to live, but NOT in the style a “typical Pigg” would prefer. Pigg or no Pigg, the vast majority of the “younger crowd” (especially “the 21-35 year-olds”) feel that they need everything you mention above in order to exist … and then some.

From what I’ve seen, a pervasive “sense of entitlement” exists among young people today. I’m struggling with how to fix this in my own daily experience. I guess this generation will figure it all out when their “dream job” fails to materialize right away for many of them after graduation from college. Some of these recent graduates will have to begin making student loan payments at the six-month mark after graduation causing them to enter the “school of hard knocks” along their eventual path to “self-sufficiency.”

It takes way too long for most young people to become self-sufficient today and I don’t know what can be done about this.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=sdrealtor]So WhoTF are you agreeing with me or CAR? You flip flop more than a political candidate…[/quote]

sdr, put down your glass for a minute and let your puppy outside … he’s whining to “do his business.”

If you’re referring to me here, I agree with CAR in that jobs which one can raise a family on which require only a HS education to obtain have been in short supply in recent years.

These jobs enabled an entire family to live, but NOT in the style a “typical Pigg” would prefer. Pigg or no Pigg, the vast majority of the “younger crowd” (especially “the 21-35 year-olds”) feel that they need everything you mention above in order to exist … and then some.

From what I’ve seen, a pervasive “sense of entitlement” exists among young people today. I’m struggling with how to fix this in my own daily experience. I guess this generation will figure it all out when their “dream job” fails to materialize right away for many of them after graduation from college. Some of these recent graduates will have to begin making student loan payments at the six-month mark after graduation causing them to enter the “school of hard knocks” along their eventual path to “self-sufficiency.”

It takes way too long for most young people to become self-sufficient today and I don’t know what can be done about this.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=sdrealtor]So WhoTF are you agreeing with me or CAR? You flip flop more than a political candidate…[/quote]

sdr, put down your glass for a minute and let your puppy outside … he’s whining to “do his business.”

If you’re referring to me here, I agree with CAR in that jobs which one can raise a family on which require only a HS education to obtain have been in short supply in recent years.

These jobs enabled an entire family to live, but NOT in the style a “typical Pigg” would prefer. Pigg or no Pigg, the vast majority of the “younger crowd” (especially “the 21-35 year-olds”) feel that they need everything you mention above in order to exist … and then some.

From what I’ve seen, a pervasive “sense of entitlement” exists among young people today. I’m struggling with how to fix this in my own daily experience. I guess this generation will figure it all out when their “dream job” fails to materialize right away for many of them after graduation from college. Some of these recent graduates will have to begin making student loan payments at the six-month mark after graduation causing them to enter the “school of hard knocks” along their eventual path to “self-sufficiency.”

It takes way too long for most young people to become self-sufficient today and I don’t know what can be done about this.

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor]I think most people still can graduate from high school and get a job that could support themselves and possibly an entire family on one income today. The problem is they arent content to live the way people used to. The attitude of todays modest jobholders is there is no reason they shouldnt have a cell phone, iPod, computer w/ internet access, a new car every few years, designer clothes, take nice vacations, go out to dinner and have a flat panel TV. When i was growing up we kept cars 10 years, had one TV in the house we kept for 20 years, one phone number, we rarely took vacations and dinner out was a bucket of chicken from Colonel Sanders (and that was a rare treat). Most of my clothes were hand me downs from relatives and I was the 3rd or 4th person to wear them. I grew up in an upper middle class area but expectations have changed as has the world. You cant have it both ways.[/quote]

We disagree. That flat panel TV costs less, as a percentage of income, than the older TVs did. Internet access is now necessary in order to apply for most jobs. While many people have cell phones, many of them just use their cell phone, and don’t have a land line. A simple, cheap cell phone plan costs less, as a percentage of income, than non-cell phones cost back in the 60s and 70s. Clothing is also cheaper, as a percentage of income, than it was when we were growing up.

While the families you associate with might go on many exotic vacations; most poor, working people do not.

Elizabeth Warren explains it very well here:

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor]I think most people still can graduate from high school and get a job that could support themselves and possibly an entire family on one income today. The problem is they arent content to live the way people used to. The attitude of todays modest jobholders is there is no reason they shouldnt have a cell phone, iPod, computer w/ internet access, a new car every few years, designer clothes, take nice vacations, go out to dinner and have a flat panel TV. When i was growing up we kept cars 10 years, had one TV in the house we kept for 20 years, one phone number, we rarely took vacations and dinner out was a bucket of chicken from Colonel Sanders (and that was a rare treat). Most of my clothes were hand me downs from relatives and I was the 3rd or 4th person to wear them. I grew up in an upper middle class area but expectations have changed as has the world. You cant have it both ways.[/quote]

We disagree. That flat panel TV costs less, as a percentage of income, than the older TVs did. Internet access is now necessary in order to apply for most jobs. While many people have cell phones, many of them just use their cell phone, and don’t have a land line. A simple, cheap cell phone plan costs less, as a percentage of income, than non-cell phones cost back in the 60s and 70s. Clothing is also cheaper, as a percentage of income, than it was when we were growing up.

While the families you associate with might go on many exotic vacations; most poor, working people do not.

Elizabeth Warren explains it very well here:

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor]I think most people still can graduate from high school and get a job that could support themselves and possibly an entire family on one income today. The problem is they arent content to live the way people used to. The attitude of todays modest jobholders is there is no reason they shouldnt have a cell phone, iPod, computer w/ internet access, a new car every few years, designer clothes, take nice vacations, go out to dinner and have a flat panel TV. When i was growing up we kept cars 10 years, had one TV in the house we kept for 20 years, one phone number, we rarely took vacations and dinner out was a bucket of chicken from Colonel Sanders (and that was a rare treat). Most of my clothes were hand me downs from relatives and I was the 3rd or 4th person to wear them. I grew up in an upper middle class area but expectations have changed as has the world. You cant have it both ways.[/quote]

We disagree. That flat panel TV costs less, as a percentage of income, than the older TVs did. Internet access is now necessary in order to apply for most jobs. While many people have cell phones, many of them just use their cell phone, and don’t have a land line. A simple, cheap cell phone plan costs less, as a percentage of income, than non-cell phones cost back in the 60s and 70s. Clothing is also cheaper, as a percentage of income, than it was when we were growing up.

While the families you associate with might go on many exotic vacations; most poor, working people do not.

Elizabeth Warren explains it very well here:

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor]I think most people still can graduate from high school and get a job that could support themselves and possibly an entire family on one income today. The problem is they arent content to live the way people used to. The attitude of todays modest jobholders is there is no reason they shouldnt have a cell phone, iPod, computer w/ internet access, a new car every few years, designer clothes, take nice vacations, go out to dinner and have a flat panel TV. When i was growing up we kept cars 10 years, had one TV in the house we kept for 20 years, one phone number, we rarely took vacations and dinner out was a bucket of chicken from Colonel Sanders (and that was a rare treat). Most of my clothes were hand me downs from relatives and I was the 3rd or 4th person to wear them. I grew up in an upper middle class area but expectations have changed as has the world. You cant have it both ways.[/quote]

We disagree. That flat panel TV costs less, as a percentage of income, than the older TVs did. Internet access is now necessary in order to apply for most jobs. While many people have cell phones, many of them just use their cell phone, and don’t have a land line. A simple, cheap cell phone plan costs less, as a percentage of income, than non-cell phones cost back in the 60s and 70s. Clothing is also cheaper, as a percentage of income, than it was when we were growing up.

While the families you associate with might go on many exotic vacations; most poor, working people do not.

Elizabeth Warren explains it very well here:

[CA renter]

[quote=sdrealtor]I think most people still can graduate from high school and get a job that could support themselves and possibly an entire family on one income today. The problem is they arent content to live the way people used to. The attitude of todays modest jobholders is there is no reason they shouldnt have a cell phone, iPod, computer w/ internet access, a new car every few years, designer clothes, take nice vacations, go out to dinner and have a flat panel TV. When i was growing up we kept cars 10 years, had one TV in the house we kept for 20 years, one phone number, we rarely took vacations and dinner out was a bucket of chicken from Colonel Sanders (and that was a rare treat). Most of my clothes were hand me downs from relatives and I was the 3rd or 4th person to wear them. I grew up in an upper middle class area but expectations have changed as has the world. You cant have it both ways.[/quote]

We disagree. That flat panel TV costs less, as a percentage of income, than the older TVs did. Internet access is now necessary in order to apply for most jobs. While many people have cell phones, many of them just use their cell phone, and don’t have a land line. A simple, cheap cell phone plan costs less, as a percentage of income, than non-cell phones cost back in the 60s and 70s. Clothing is also cheaper, as a percentage of income, than it was when we were growing up.

While the families you associate with might go on many exotic vacations; most poor, working people do not.

Elizabeth Warren explains it very well here:

[sdrealtor]

You didnt disagree you engaged in strawman. We had 1 TV we kept for 20 years. We never ate out. It wasnt that clothes were more or less, we used hand me downs and 4 to 5 different kids wore them. We had 1 phone line for 6 people not 6. We didnt go on exotic vacations even though we were upper middle class. My next door neighbor (a very successful dr) kept a Buick Skylark for 15 years. We just lived differently back then as did most people. The world is a different place today.

[sdrealtor]

You didnt disagree you engaged in strawman. We had 1 TV we kept for 20 years. We never ate out. It wasnt that clothes were more or less, we used hand me downs and 4 to 5 different kids wore them. We had 1 phone line for 6 people not 6. We didnt go on exotic vacations even though we were upper middle class. My next door neighbor (a very successful dr) kept a Buick Skylark for 15 years. We just lived differently back then as did most people. The world is a different place today.

[sdrealtor]

You didnt disagree you engaged in strawman. We had 1 TV we kept for 20 years. We never ate out. It wasnt that clothes were more or less, we used hand me downs and 4 to 5 different kids wore them. We had 1 phone line for 6 people not 6. We didnt go on exotic vacations even though we were upper middle class. My next door neighbor (a very successful dr) kept a Buick Skylark for 15 years. We just lived differently back then as did most people. The world is a different place today.

[sdrealtor]

You didnt disagree you engaged in strawman. We had 1 TV we kept for 20 years. We never ate out. It wasnt that clothes were more or less, we used hand me downs and 4 to 5 different kids wore them. We had 1 phone line for 6 people not 6. We didnt go on exotic vacations even though we were upper middle class. My next door neighbor (a very successful dr) kept a Buick Skylark for 15 years. We just lived differently back then as did most people. The world is a different place today.

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