Why I am leaving San Diego

[sdrealtor]

No he is not alone. How do those numbers look for San Diego County in 2010? Comparing 2008 and 2010 as well as San Diego with the State of CA is not the same thing.

People living here clearly value different things than people else where. That is why the choose to live here. If they valued inexpensive, affordable homes over a Sd Lifestyle they would live elsewhere. Its a free country and they have that choice.

[joec]

[quote=jstoesz]This is the statement that kicked off this fun fest…
[quote]So either the place is swimming with imported retirees which in Clairemont I highly *DOUBT*. [/quote]

You are killing me. My point is that 55419 is not a place that imports retirees either, many of its residences have been there for 40, 50 years too! NEITHER place imports retirees. The median age is the same! Therefore, your argument about old people living there does not compute. It is spurious because the both zips have similar age demographics. Just like every other neighborhood in the country, except the La Jolla’s and palm springs of the world. We are comparing apples to apples in terms of demographics…but one is twice as expensive.

In other words, old people are not why Clairemont is expensive.[/quote]

So many messages on this topic, but in terms of neighborhoods, Clairemont and pretty much all of San Diego, Los Angeles, and the Bay Area has a net immigrant population vs. 55419 (MN). It doesn’t have to be retirees.

Retirees and some people simply would refuse to live in MN for the cold alone. Asian people probably would refuse to move to other areas where there are fewer asians for fear of more discrimination. There’s also no Ranch 99 market. 🙂

The food shopping is certainly a point any Chinese person brings up when they move to some far off locale. You hear it all the time from folks who leave CA.

“Yeah, Las Vegas is ok, we just got our 1st 99 Ranch store.”

You can replace Las Vegas with any place like Houston, Seattle, etc…

In my previous job, over 50% of the employees came from another country or state…I don’t know how true that is for MN since MN is simply (very much IMO) not on the map for most folks I don’t think unless you grew up there.

[joec]

[quote=jstoesz]This is the statement that kicked off this fun fest…
[quote]So either the place is swimming with imported retirees which in Clairemont I highly *DOUBT*. [/quote]

You are killing me. My point is that 55419 is not a place that imports retirees either, many of its residences have been there for 40, 50 years too! NEITHER place imports retirees. The median age is the same! Therefore, your argument about old people living there does not compute. It is spurious because the both zips have similar age demographics. Just like every other neighborhood in the country, except the La Jolla’s and palm springs of the world. We are comparing apples to apples in terms of demographics…but one is twice as expensive.

In other words, old people are not why Clairemont is expensive.[/quote]

So many messages on this topic, but in terms of neighborhoods, Clairemont and pretty much all of San Diego, Los Angeles, and the Bay Area has a net immigrant population vs. 55419 (MN). It doesn’t have to be retirees.

Retirees and some people simply would refuse to live in MN for the cold alone. Asian people probably would refuse to move to other areas where there are fewer asians for fear of more discrimination. There’s also no Ranch 99 market. 🙂

The food shopping is certainly a point any Chinese person brings up when they move to some far off locale. You hear it all the time from folks who leave CA.

“Yeah, Las Vegas is ok, we just got our 1st 99 Ranch store.”

You can replace Las Vegas with any place like Houston, Seattle, etc…

In my previous job, over 50% of the employees came from another country or state…I don’t know how true that is for MN since MN is simply (very much IMO) not on the map for most folks I don’t think unless you grew up there.

[joec]

[quote=jstoesz]This is the statement that kicked off this fun fest…
[quote]So either the place is swimming with imported retirees which in Clairemont I highly *DOUBT*. [/quote]

You are killing me. My point is that 55419 is not a place that imports retirees either, many of its residences have been there for 40, 50 years too! NEITHER place imports retirees. The median age is the same! Therefore, your argument about old people living there does not compute. It is spurious because the both zips have similar age demographics. Just like every other neighborhood in the country, except the La Jolla’s and palm springs of the world. We are comparing apples to apples in terms of demographics…but one is twice as expensive.

In other words, old people are not why Clairemont is expensive.[/quote]

So many messages on this topic, but in terms of neighborhoods, Clairemont and pretty much all of San Diego, Los Angeles, and the Bay Area has a net immigrant population vs. 55419 (MN). It doesn’t have to be retirees.

Retirees and some people simply would refuse to live in MN for the cold alone. Asian people probably would refuse to move to other areas where there are fewer asians for fear of more discrimination. There’s also no Ranch 99 market. 🙂

The food shopping is certainly a point any Chinese person brings up when they move to some far off locale. You hear it all the time from folks who leave CA.

“Yeah, Las Vegas is ok, we just got our 1st 99 Ranch store.”

You can replace Las Vegas with any place like Houston, Seattle, etc…

In my previous job, over 50% of the employees came from another country or state…I don’t know how true that is for MN since MN is simply (very much IMO) not on the map for most folks I don’t think unless you grew up there.

[joec]

[quote=jstoesz]This is the statement that kicked off this fun fest…
[quote]So either the place is swimming with imported retirees which in Clairemont I highly *DOUBT*. [/quote]

You are killing me. My point is that 55419 is not a place that imports retirees either, many of its residences have been there for 40, 50 years too! NEITHER place imports retirees. The median age is the same! Therefore, your argument about old people living there does not compute. It is spurious because the both zips have similar age demographics. Just like every other neighborhood in the country, except the La Jolla’s and palm springs of the world. We are comparing apples to apples in terms of demographics…but one is twice as expensive.

In other words, old people are not why Clairemont is expensive.[/quote]

So many messages on this topic, but in terms of neighborhoods, Clairemont and pretty much all of San Diego, Los Angeles, and the Bay Area has a net immigrant population vs. 55419 (MN). It doesn’t have to be retirees.

Retirees and some people simply would refuse to live in MN for the cold alone. Asian people probably would refuse to move to other areas where there are fewer asians for fear of more discrimination. There’s also no Ranch 99 market. 🙂

The food shopping is certainly a point any Chinese person brings up when they move to some far off locale. You hear it all the time from folks who leave CA.

“Yeah, Las Vegas is ok, we just got our 1st 99 Ranch store.”

You can replace Las Vegas with any place like Houston, Seattle, etc…

In my previous job, over 50% of the employees came from another country or state…I don’t know how true that is for MN since MN is simply (very much IMO) not on the map for most folks I don’t think unless you grew up there.

[joec]

[quote=jstoesz]This is the statement that kicked off this fun fest…
[quote]So either the place is swimming with imported retirees which in Clairemont I highly *DOUBT*. [/quote]

You are killing me. My point is that 55419 is not a place that imports retirees either, many of its residences have been there for 40, 50 years too! NEITHER place imports retirees. The median age is the same! Therefore, your argument about old people living there does not compute. It is spurious because the both zips have similar age demographics. Just like every other neighborhood in the country, except the La Jolla’s and palm springs of the world. We are comparing apples to apples in terms of demographics…but one is twice as expensive.

In other words, old people are not why Clairemont is expensive.[/quote]

So many messages on this topic, but in terms of neighborhoods, Clairemont and pretty much all of San Diego, Los Angeles, and the Bay Area has a net immigrant population vs. 55419 (MN). It doesn’t have to be retirees.

Retirees and some people simply would refuse to live in MN for the cold alone. Asian people probably would refuse to move to other areas where there are fewer asians for fear of more discrimination. There’s also no Ranch 99 market. 🙂

The food shopping is certainly a point any Chinese person brings up when they move to some far off locale. You hear it all the time from folks who leave CA.

“Yeah, Las Vegas is ok, we just got our 1st 99 Ranch store.”

You can replace Las Vegas with any place like Houston, Seattle, etc…

In my previous job, over 50% of the employees came from another country or state…I don’t know how true that is for MN since MN is simply (very much IMO) not on the map for most folks I don’t think unless you grew up there.

[NotCranky]

Jstoez, I wasn’t playing a game it was just a question.Anyway, it got Bearishgirl thinking.

Buddy, everyone wants to live here.

[NotCranky]

Jstoez, I wasn’t playing a game it was just a question.Anyway, it got Bearishgirl thinking.

Buddy, everyone wants to live here.

[NotCranky]

Jstoez, I wasn’t playing a game it was just a question.Anyway, it got Bearishgirl thinking.

Buddy, everyone wants to live here.

[NotCranky]

Jstoez, I wasn’t playing a game it was just a question.Anyway, it got Bearishgirl thinking.

Buddy, everyone wants to live here.

[NotCranky]

Jstoez, I wasn’t playing a game it was just a question.Anyway, it got Bearishgirl thinking.

Buddy, everyone wants to live here.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=sdrealtor] Not saying its right or wrong but again “it is what it is”.[/quote]

sdr hit the nail on the head.

[quote=jstoesz]
Yup it is not supply and demand I am frustrated with. It is with the financial irresponsibility of my peers. And that has not even begun to correct.[/quote]

Based on the data it appears to me that although the financial irresponsibility has not declined to upper-Midwestern levels, current cost ratios indicate that SD buyers are less financially irresponsible today than through most of the past 33 years. In that sense it has improved, just not to the point where it meets the threshold of sensible for those of us who grew up in the Midwest. I am alot like you jstoesz, I think SoCal prices are nuts. But, it is what it is. I don’t think we will see prices normalize to something resembling reasonable ratios observed in other places (e.g. Minneapolis or Dallas or Kansas City) in my lifetime.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=sdrealtor] Not saying its right or wrong but again “it is what it is”.[/quote]

sdr hit the nail on the head.

[quote=jstoesz]
Yup it is not supply and demand I am frustrated with. It is with the financial irresponsibility of my peers. And that has not even begun to correct.[/quote]

Based on the data it appears to me that although the financial irresponsibility has not declined to upper-Midwestern levels, current cost ratios indicate that SD buyers are less financially irresponsible today than through most of the past 33 years. In that sense it has improved, just not to the point where it meets the threshold of sensible for those of us who grew up in the Midwest. I am alot like you jstoesz, I think SoCal prices are nuts. But, it is what it is. I don’t think we will see prices normalize to something resembling reasonable ratios observed in other places (e.g. Minneapolis or Dallas or Kansas City) in my lifetime.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=sdrealtor] Not saying its right or wrong but again “it is what it is”.[/quote]

sdr hit the nail on the head.

[quote=jstoesz]
Yup it is not supply and demand I am frustrated with. It is with the financial irresponsibility of my peers. And that has not even begun to correct.[/quote]

Based on the data it appears to me that although the financial irresponsibility has not declined to upper-Midwestern levels, current cost ratios indicate that SD buyers are less financially irresponsible today than through most of the past 33 years. In that sense it has improved, just not to the point where it meets the threshold of sensible for those of us who grew up in the Midwest. I am alot like you jstoesz, I think SoCal prices are nuts. But, it is what it is. I don’t think we will see prices normalize to something resembling reasonable ratios observed in other places (e.g. Minneapolis or Dallas or Kansas City) in my lifetime.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=sdrealtor] Not saying its right or wrong but again “it is what it is”.[/quote]

sdr hit the nail on the head.

[quote=jstoesz]
Yup it is not supply and demand I am frustrated with. It is with the financial irresponsibility of my peers. And that has not even begun to correct.[/quote]

Based on the data it appears to me that although the financial irresponsibility has not declined to upper-Midwestern levels, current cost ratios indicate that SD buyers are less financially irresponsible today than through most of the past 33 years. In that sense it has improved, just not to the point where it meets the threshold of sensible for those of us who grew up in the Midwest. I am alot like you jstoesz, I think SoCal prices are nuts. But, it is what it is. I don’t think we will see prices normalize to something resembling reasonable ratios observed in other places (e.g. Minneapolis or Dallas or Kansas City) in my lifetime.

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