Who would you report shady deals to?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=temeculaguy]I was going to say the same thing urban said but i would have been nicer in the end, I’m just playing urban, we appreciate the info but this isn’t the place to tell everyone they don’t know anything, be nice, have a glass of wine, i’ll even buy.

I am a lot less worried about the banks not caring, they are going to care about things starting today now that Paulson has decided to change course and let the mortgages fall and foreclose, no bailout for toxic mortgages, suprised nobody posted the news stories from today about that.[/quote]

I don’t say this to try to quash the exchange of ideas or to tell people they are ignorant.

However, when all you have to trade on is your name, words matter.

My family has been in this business for over a century.

Many see this profession as being roughly equivalent to being a used car salesman or telemarketer.

Besmirching a professional’s reputation (and adding to this perception) without suspicious reasons is irresponsible and harmful.

For another professional to be doing that in a public forum is really unprofessional in my opinion.

I don’t know if this deal or this agent is shady but it seems unfair to make assertions without some kind of evidence. Perhaps there is evidence but I have not seen it here.

Am I mistaken?

[temeculaguy]

Urban, content is fine, it’s the delivery. Also don’t try to defend the profession here, it’s a tough audience. I wouldn’t defend anyone that I didn’t know, even if we shared professions, shady comes in every flavor and sispicion isn’t conviction. In fact your explanation was perfect, except the last part, the part that made me, the reader, feel like we weren’t allowed to question things.

Nobody said it was fraud, just that it looked shady to them and where would they report it. If they reported it and it checked out ok, no harm no foul, in fact it vindicates the realtor and in that instance the profession. Also there is nothing wrong with used car salesmen, there are good ones and bad ones, like anything. If I were a good used car salesman, i would encourage the investigation of my peers so the bad ones could be weeded out.

making assertions and accusations is good, in all things, the culprit here is the lack of transparancy of the MLS. Other than lock box codes, the MLS is perpetuating the distrust of the industry, if the OP could see what you see, there would be no suspicion. We are americans, we question our leaders, our government, our doctors and out professionals and nothing but good comes from those questions, it might be a pain, but it’s productive.

And while it may seem like your profession is getting bad rap, it’s because it deserves it, not all of you, but some. They will be weeded out and the true professionals will survive. both Sd and sd realtors have been posting for years here and both have my respect and admiration, I’d drink with them and do business with them if given the opportunity. you are writing to a highly intelligent crowd, don’t worry about us using a broad brush to paint pictures.

[temeculaguy]

Urban, content is fine, it’s the delivery. Also don’t try to defend the profession here, it’s a tough audience. I wouldn’t defend anyone that I didn’t know, even if we shared professions, shady comes in every flavor and sispicion isn’t conviction. In fact your explanation was perfect, except the last part, the part that made me, the reader, feel like we weren’t allowed to question things.

Nobody said it was fraud, just that it looked shady to them and where would they report it. If they reported it and it checked out ok, no harm no foul, in fact it vindicates the realtor and in that instance the profession. Also there is nothing wrong with used car salesmen, there are good ones and bad ones, like anything. If I were a good used car salesman, i would encourage the investigation of my peers so the bad ones could be weeded out.

making assertions and accusations is good, in all things, the culprit here is the lack of transparancy of the MLS. Other than lock box codes, the MLS is perpetuating the distrust of the industry, if the OP could see what you see, there would be no suspicion. We are americans, we question our leaders, our government, our doctors and out professionals and nothing but good comes from those questions, it might be a pain, but it’s productive.

And while it may seem like your profession is getting bad rap, it’s because it deserves it, not all of you, but some. They will be weeded out and the true professionals will survive. both Sd and sd realtors have been posting for years here and both have my respect and admiration, I’d drink with them and do business with them if given the opportunity. you are writing to a highly intelligent crowd, don’t worry about us using a broad brush to paint pictures.

[temeculaguy]

Urban, content is fine, it’s the delivery. Also don’t try to defend the profession here, it’s a tough audience. I wouldn’t defend anyone that I didn’t know, even if we shared professions, shady comes in every flavor and sispicion isn’t conviction. In fact your explanation was perfect, except the last part, the part that made me, the reader, feel like we weren’t allowed to question things.

Nobody said it was fraud, just that it looked shady to them and where would they report it. If they reported it and it checked out ok, no harm no foul, in fact it vindicates the realtor and in that instance the profession. Also there is nothing wrong with used car salesmen, there are good ones and bad ones, like anything. If I were a good used car salesman, i would encourage the investigation of my peers so the bad ones could be weeded out.

making assertions and accusations is good, in all things, the culprit here is the lack of transparancy of the MLS. Other than lock box codes, the MLS is perpetuating the distrust of the industry, if the OP could see what you see, there would be no suspicion. We are americans, we question our leaders, our government, our doctors and out professionals and nothing but good comes from those questions, it might be a pain, but it’s productive.

And while it may seem like your profession is getting bad rap, it’s because it deserves it, not all of you, but some. They will be weeded out and the true professionals will survive. both Sd and sd realtors have been posting for years here and both have my respect and admiration, I’d drink with them and do business with them if given the opportunity. you are writing to a highly intelligent crowd, don’t worry about us using a broad brush to paint pictures.

[temeculaguy]

Urban, content is fine, it’s the delivery. Also don’t try to defend the profession here, it’s a tough audience. I wouldn’t defend anyone that I didn’t know, even if we shared professions, shady comes in every flavor and sispicion isn’t conviction. In fact your explanation was perfect, except the last part, the part that made me, the reader, feel like we weren’t allowed to question things.

Nobody said it was fraud, just that it looked shady to them and where would they report it. If they reported it and it checked out ok, no harm no foul, in fact it vindicates the realtor and in that instance the profession. Also there is nothing wrong with used car salesmen, there are good ones and bad ones, like anything. If I were a good used car salesman, i would encourage the investigation of my peers so the bad ones could be weeded out.

making assertions and accusations is good, in all things, the culprit here is the lack of transparancy of the MLS. Other than lock box codes, the MLS is perpetuating the distrust of the industry, if the OP could see what you see, there would be no suspicion. We are americans, we question our leaders, our government, our doctors and out professionals and nothing but good comes from those questions, it might be a pain, but it’s productive.

And while it may seem like your profession is getting bad rap, it’s because it deserves it, not all of you, but some. They will be weeded out and the true professionals will survive. both Sd and sd realtors have been posting for years here and both have my respect and admiration, I’d drink with them and do business with them if given the opportunity. you are writing to a highly intelligent crowd, don’t worry about us using a broad brush to paint pictures.

[temeculaguy]

Urban, content is fine, it’s the delivery. Also don’t try to defend the profession here, it’s a tough audience. I wouldn’t defend anyone that I didn’t know, even if we shared professions, shady comes in every flavor and sispicion isn’t conviction. In fact your explanation was perfect, except the last part, the part that made me, the reader, feel like we weren’t allowed to question things.

Nobody said it was fraud, just that it looked shady to them and where would they report it. If they reported it and it checked out ok, no harm no foul, in fact it vindicates the realtor and in that instance the profession. Also there is nothing wrong with used car salesmen, there are good ones and bad ones, like anything. If I were a good used car salesman, i would encourage the investigation of my peers so the bad ones could be weeded out.

making assertions and accusations is good, in all things, the culprit here is the lack of transparancy of the MLS. Other than lock box codes, the MLS is perpetuating the distrust of the industry, if the OP could see what you see, there would be no suspicion. We are americans, we question our leaders, our government, our doctors and out professionals and nothing but good comes from those questions, it might be a pain, but it’s productive.

And while it may seem like your profession is getting bad rap, it’s because it deserves it, not all of you, but some. They will be weeded out and the true professionals will survive. both Sd and sd realtors have been posting for years here and both have my respect and admiration, I’d drink with them and do business with them if given the opportunity. you are writing to a highly intelligent crowd, don’t worry about us using a broad brush to paint pictures.

[NotCranky]

No Realtor has claimed to have any evidence. To speculate on commission hording by defending an early low ball or deal steering at this point, considering what people are posting is not irresponsible or unreasonable. There is no intent to harm. There is certainly nothing wrong with saying, “if you have X suspicion this is how you can look into it”. Even if it isn’t criminal behavior, what’s wrong with people not liking what they see and making some complaints if they suspect something? Maybe they bring about some changes… maybe they learn something.I think we do the “profession” a service by letting people see that transparency is an acceptable idea.

[NotCranky]

No Realtor has claimed to have any evidence. To speculate on commission hording by defending an early low ball or deal steering at this point, considering what people are posting is not irresponsible or unreasonable. There is no intent to harm. There is certainly nothing wrong with saying, “if you have X suspicion this is how you can look into it”. Even if it isn’t criminal behavior, what’s wrong with people not liking what they see and making some complaints if they suspect something? Maybe they bring about some changes… maybe they learn something.I think we do the “profession” a service by letting people see that transparency is an acceptable idea.

[NotCranky]

No Realtor has claimed to have any evidence. To speculate on commission hording by defending an early low ball or deal steering at this point, considering what people are posting is not irresponsible or unreasonable. There is no intent to harm. There is certainly nothing wrong with saying, “if you have X suspicion this is how you can look into it”. Even if it isn’t criminal behavior, what’s wrong with people not liking what they see and making some complaints if they suspect something? Maybe they bring about some changes… maybe they learn something.I think we do the “profession” a service by letting people see that transparency is an acceptable idea.

[NotCranky]

No Realtor has claimed to have any evidence. To speculate on commission hording by defending an early low ball or deal steering at this point, considering what people are posting is not irresponsible or unreasonable. There is no intent to harm. There is certainly nothing wrong with saying, “if you have X suspicion this is how you can look into it”. Even if it isn’t criminal behavior, what’s wrong with people not liking what they see and making some complaints if they suspect something? Maybe they bring about some changes… maybe they learn something.I think we do the “profession” a service by letting people see that transparency is an acceptable idea.

[NotCranky]

No Realtor has claimed to have any evidence. To speculate on commission hording by defending an early low ball or deal steering at this point, considering what people are posting is not irresponsible or unreasonable. There is no intent to harm. There is certainly nothing wrong with saying, “if you have X suspicion this is how you can look into it”. Even if it isn’t criminal behavior, what’s wrong with people not liking what they see and making some complaints if they suspect something? Maybe they bring about some changes… maybe they learn something.I think we do the “profession” a service by letting people see that transparency is an acceptable idea.

[urbanrealtor]

Fair point.
I agree with the transparency desire.

However, I see derogatory terms (fraud, shady, sketchy) used a lot here.
They are referenced to specific agents.
Thats what bothers me.
These are often not framed as “is this acceptable or shady?” but more like “where do I report these shady deals and liars?”. (eg: this thread)
In most of the recent examples here there is no indication of dishonesty.

We are calling people liars without there being a lie. Considering that this has a direct effect with regard to them putting food on the table, I don’t see the benefit in jumping to conclusions.

Don’t get me wrong. I believe in airing grievances but I just think responsibility matters.

But TG is right, I should do better with delivery.

And for the record: I don’t know that this example is innocent. I just don’t see any indication of sketch.

[urbanrealtor]

Fair point.
I agree with the transparency desire.

However, I see derogatory terms (fraud, shady, sketchy) used a lot here.
They are referenced to specific agents.
Thats what bothers me.
These are often not framed as “is this acceptable or shady?” but more like “where do I report these shady deals and liars?”. (eg: this thread)
In most of the recent examples here there is no indication of dishonesty.

We are calling people liars without there being a lie. Considering that this has a direct effect with regard to them putting food on the table, I don’t see the benefit in jumping to conclusions.

Don’t get me wrong. I believe in airing grievances but I just think responsibility matters.

But TG is right, I should do better with delivery.

And for the record: I don’t know that this example is innocent. I just don’t see any indication of sketch.

[urbanrealtor]

Fair point.
I agree with the transparency desire.

However, I see derogatory terms (fraud, shady, sketchy) used a lot here.
They are referenced to specific agents.
Thats what bothers me.
These are often not framed as “is this acceptable or shady?” but more like “where do I report these shady deals and liars?”. (eg: this thread)
In most of the recent examples here there is no indication of dishonesty.

We are calling people liars without there being a lie. Considering that this has a direct effect with regard to them putting food on the table, I don’t see the benefit in jumping to conclusions.

Don’t get me wrong. I believe in airing grievances but I just think responsibility matters.

But TG is right, I should do better with delivery.

And for the record: I don’t know that this example is innocent. I just don’t see any indication of sketch.

[urbanrealtor]

Fair point.
I agree with the transparency desire.

However, I see derogatory terms (fraud, shady, sketchy) used a lot here.
They are referenced to specific agents.
Thats what bothers me.
These are often not framed as “is this acceptable or shady?” but more like “where do I report these shady deals and liars?”. (eg: this thread)
In most of the recent examples here there is no indication of dishonesty.

We are calling people liars without there being a lie. Considering that this has a direct effect with regard to them putting food on the table, I don’t see the benefit in jumping to conclusions.

Don’t get me wrong. I believe in airing grievances but I just think responsibility matters.

But TG is right, I should do better with delivery.

And for the record: I don’t know that this example is innocent. I just don’t see any indication of sketch.

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