What is Your Stake in Politics?

[jstoesz]

[quote]Thats the difference between you and me.[/quote]

Translation: I am so high minded and noble, I care so much about “poor” people that I am willing to rob others to pay for their “needs”

I do not want to get into the merits of nationalized health and the like. I think reasonable people can disagree. But with our tax code the way it is (picking winners and losers and taking it in clandestine ways), our treasury is filled with stolen money.

If everyone has to cut a check every month to the treasury…you can be sure our government would act a good bit differently. At that point if the populous votes for free busing…who am I to disagree.

Bit of introspection for those libertarian types (myself included)…Do you give significantly to charity?

[jstoesz]

UCCal,

Totally agree. Thats why we either have to deadlock government (a la flu), so they can stop picking winners and loser. That means we have to live with the crappy picks we already have. Or we can limit government to the basic necessities, thereby reducing the number and magnitude of their picks…

The second option is just a dream I have from time to time. Its kind of like unicorns and leprechauns…

[jstoesz]

UCCal,

Totally agree. Thats why we either have to deadlock government (a la flu), so they can stop picking winners and loser. That means we have to live with the crappy picks we already have. Or we can limit government to the basic necessities, thereby reducing the number and magnitude of their picks…

The second option is just a dream I have from time to time. Its kind of like unicorns and leprechauns…

[jstoesz]

UCCal,

Totally agree. Thats why we either have to deadlock government (a la flu), so they can stop picking winners and loser. That means we have to live with the crappy picks we already have. Or we can limit government to the basic necessities, thereby reducing the number and magnitude of their picks…

The second option is just a dream I have from time to time. Its kind of like unicorns and leprechauns…

[jstoesz]

UCCal,

Totally agree. Thats why we either have to deadlock government (a la flu), so they can stop picking winners and loser. That means we have to live with the crappy picks we already have. Or we can limit government to the basic necessities, thereby reducing the number and magnitude of their picks…

The second option is just a dream I have from time to time. Its kind of like unicorns and leprechauns…

[jstoesz]

UCCal,

Totally agree. Thats why we either have to deadlock government (a la flu), so they can stop picking winners and loser. That means we have to live with the crappy picks we already have. Or we can limit government to the basic necessities, thereby reducing the number and magnitude of their picks…

The second option is just a dream I have from time to time. Its kind of like unicorns and leprechauns…

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=briansd1]
I’m still trying to grasp the rational motivations of working-class conservatives.
[/quote]

Because “they are bitter”? 🙂

Okay, that was a cheap shot. But America is a land of optimists and positive thinking. True or not – most people believe that there is a good deal of meritocracy and class mobility here. I may be broke today but I truly believe that in this society I can move up and join the ranks of the rich. Therefore, I would not support policies that advocate taxing their wealth away.

In most of the world elsewhere people view things differently. Rich/aristocrats are a separate class – one can never join them. So it is OK to tax their wealth away.

Because of our limited history most people also believe that the rich earned their fortune fairly. In most other places, people think that the rich became what they are by stealing from others.

And finally, working class conservatives probably feel threatened by the elitist leaders of social liberalism. GOP candidates probably do a better job connecting with them on some level.

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=briansd1]
I’m still trying to grasp the rational motivations of working-class conservatives.
[/quote]

Because “they are bitter”? 🙂

Okay, that was a cheap shot. But America is a land of optimists and positive thinking. True or not – most people believe that there is a good deal of meritocracy and class mobility here. I may be broke today but I truly believe that in this society I can move up and join the ranks of the rich. Therefore, I would not support policies that advocate taxing their wealth away.

In most of the world elsewhere people view things differently. Rich/aristocrats are a separate class – one can never join them. So it is OK to tax their wealth away.

Because of our limited history most people also believe that the rich earned their fortune fairly. In most other places, people think that the rich became what they are by stealing from others.

And finally, working class conservatives probably feel threatened by the elitist leaders of social liberalism. GOP candidates probably do a better job connecting with them on some level.

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=briansd1]
I’m still trying to grasp the rational motivations of working-class conservatives.
[/quote]

Because “they are bitter”? 🙂

Okay, that was a cheap shot. But America is a land of optimists and positive thinking. True or not – most people believe that there is a good deal of meritocracy and class mobility here. I may be broke today but I truly believe that in this society I can move up and join the ranks of the rich. Therefore, I would not support policies that advocate taxing their wealth away.

In most of the world elsewhere people view things differently. Rich/aristocrats are a separate class – one can never join them. So it is OK to tax their wealth away.

Because of our limited history most people also believe that the rich earned their fortune fairly. In most other places, people think that the rich became what they are by stealing from others.

And finally, working class conservatives probably feel threatened by the elitist leaders of social liberalism. GOP candidates probably do a better job connecting with them on some level.

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=briansd1]
I’m still trying to grasp the rational motivations of working-class conservatives.
[/quote]

Because “they are bitter”? 🙂

Okay, that was a cheap shot. But America is a land of optimists and positive thinking. True or not – most people believe that there is a good deal of meritocracy and class mobility here. I may be broke today but I truly believe that in this society I can move up and join the ranks of the rich. Therefore, I would not support policies that advocate taxing their wealth away.

In most of the world elsewhere people view things differently. Rich/aristocrats are a separate class – one can never join them. So it is OK to tax their wealth away.

Because of our limited history most people also believe that the rich earned their fortune fairly. In most other places, people think that the rich became what they are by stealing from others.

And finally, working class conservatives probably feel threatened by the elitist leaders of social liberalism. GOP candidates probably do a better job connecting with them on some level.

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=briansd1]
I’m still trying to grasp the rational motivations of working-class conservatives.
[/quote]

Because “they are bitter”? 🙂

Okay, that was a cheap shot. But America is a land of optimists and positive thinking. True or not – most people believe that there is a good deal of meritocracy and class mobility here. I may be broke today but I truly believe that in this society I can move up and join the ranks of the rich. Therefore, I would not support policies that advocate taxing their wealth away.

In most of the world elsewhere people view things differently. Rich/aristocrats are a separate class – one can never join them. So it is OK to tax their wealth away.

Because of our limited history most people also believe that the rich earned their fortune fairly. In most other places, people think that the rich became what they are by stealing from others.

And finally, working class conservatives probably feel threatened by the elitist leaders of social liberalism. GOP candidates probably do a better job connecting with them on some level.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]

Maybe I missed something in translation….

[quote=briansd1]
You are clearly not the kind of conservative for whom good manners and impeccable upbringing are important.
[/quote]
[/quote]

That’s because you put yourself in the same class as Sarah Palin. My comment was more about Sarah Palin’s family.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]

Maybe I missed something in translation….

[quote=briansd1]
You are clearly not the kind of conservative for whom good manners and impeccable upbringing are important.
[/quote]
[/quote]

That’s because you put yourself in the same class as Sarah Palin. My comment was more about Sarah Palin’s family.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]

Maybe I missed something in translation….

[quote=briansd1]
You are clearly not the kind of conservative for whom good manners and impeccable upbringing are important.
[/quote]
[/quote]

That’s because you put yourself in the same class as Sarah Palin. My comment was more about Sarah Palin’s family.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]

Maybe I missed something in translation….

[quote=briansd1]
You are clearly not the kind of conservative for whom good manners and impeccable upbringing are important.
[/quote]
[/quote]

That’s because you put yourself in the same class as Sarah Palin. My comment was more about Sarah Palin’s family.

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