Vote for McCain to stop a massive bailout of the irresponsible!

[blackbox]

Sounds like this guy reads the piggs site. Hits all the points right on point. These guy knows he’s stuff. Unlike clinton and Obama who seem to want to throw our money to fix what does not need fixing.

[patientlywaiting]

I would rather spend $30 billion to help out the FBs in America and 10 times more, each year, to continue the war in Iraq.

Doug Kmiec endorsed Obama.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120641048754261255.html

On Sunday, Mr. Obama was also endorsed by a lesser-known but more surprising figure — a constitutional law professor who headed the Office of Legal Counsel for both Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush.
Doug Kmiec is a respected professor at Pepperdine Law School, where Ken Starr serves as dean. He certainly hasn’t shown much previous inclination towards political apostasy — earlier this month he was still serving as co-chair of the Mitt Romney campaign’s Committee on the Courts and the Constitution.

Then he moves to the crux of his decision, which comes down to the Iraq War: “Our president has involved our nation in a military engagement without sufficient justification or clear objective. In so doing, he has incurred both tragic loss of life and extraordinary debt jeopardizing the economy and the well-being of the average American citizen.”

Mr. Kmiec then goes on to assert: “The office of the presidency, which it was once my privilege to defend… has been distorted beyond its constitutional assignment.”

[Casca]

Of course you would PW, but you’re the sort with no skin in the game. Thus, easily drawn into lawyerly dithering. We’re in the process of unscrewing something another nitwit democrat foolishly created thirty years ago. Some of us are unwilling to accept the head-in-the-sand approach of the Clinton years.

McCain is wrong about a lot of things, but not on these two subjects, and not nearly as wrong in general as the opposition.

[Casca]

Of course you would PW, but you’re the sort with no skin in the game. Thus, easily drawn into lawyerly dithering. We’re in the process of unscrewing something another nitwit democrat foolishly created thirty years ago. Some of us are unwilling to accept the head-in-the-sand approach of the Clinton years.

McCain is wrong about a lot of things, but not on these two subjects, and not nearly as wrong in general as the opposition.

[Casca]

Of course you would PW, but you’re the sort with no skin in the game. Thus, easily drawn into lawyerly dithering. We’re in the process of unscrewing something another nitwit democrat foolishly created thirty years ago. Some of us are unwilling to accept the head-in-the-sand approach of the Clinton years.

McCain is wrong about a lot of things, but not on these two subjects, and not nearly as wrong in general as the opposition.

[Casca]

Of course you would PW, but you’re the sort with no skin in the game. Thus, easily drawn into lawyerly dithering. We’re in the process of unscrewing something another nitwit democrat foolishly created thirty years ago. Some of us are unwilling to accept the head-in-the-sand approach of the Clinton years.

McCain is wrong about a lot of things, but not on these two subjects, and not nearly as wrong in general as the opposition.

[Casca]

Of course you would PW, but you’re the sort with no skin in the game. Thus, easily drawn into lawyerly dithering. We’re in the process of unscrewing something another nitwit democrat foolishly created thirty years ago. Some of us are unwilling to accept the head-in-the-sand approach of the Clinton years.

McCain is wrong about a lot of things, but not on these two subjects, and not nearly as wrong in general as the opposition.

[patientlywaiting]

I would rather spend $30 billion to help out the FBs in America and 10 times more, each year, to continue the war in Iraq.

Doug Kmiec endorsed Obama.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120641048754261255.html

On Sunday, Mr. Obama was also endorsed by a lesser-known but more surprising figure — a constitutional law professor who headed the Office of Legal Counsel for both Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush.
Doug Kmiec is a respected professor at Pepperdine Law School, where Ken Starr serves as dean. He certainly hasn’t shown much previous inclination towards political apostasy — earlier this month he was still serving as co-chair of the Mitt Romney campaign’s Committee on the Courts and the Constitution.

Then he moves to the crux of his decision, which comes down to the Iraq War: “Our president has involved our nation in a military engagement without sufficient justification or clear objective. In so doing, he has incurred both tragic loss of life and extraordinary debt jeopardizing the economy and the well-being of the average American citizen.”

Mr. Kmiec then goes on to assert: “The office of the presidency, which it was once my privilege to defend… has been distorted beyond its constitutional assignment.”

[patientlywaiting]

I would rather spend $30 billion to help out the FBs in America and 10 times more, each year, to continue the war in Iraq.

Doug Kmiec endorsed Obama.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120641048754261255.html

On Sunday, Mr. Obama was also endorsed by a lesser-known but more surprising figure — a constitutional law professor who headed the Office of Legal Counsel for both Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush.
Doug Kmiec is a respected professor at Pepperdine Law School, where Ken Starr serves as dean. He certainly hasn’t shown much previous inclination towards political apostasy — earlier this month he was still serving as co-chair of the Mitt Romney campaign’s Committee on the Courts and the Constitution.

Then he moves to the crux of his decision, which comes down to the Iraq War: “Our president has involved our nation in a military engagement without sufficient justification or clear objective. In so doing, he has incurred both tragic loss of life and extraordinary debt jeopardizing the economy and the well-being of the average American citizen.”

Mr. Kmiec then goes on to assert: “The office of the presidency, which it was once my privilege to defend… has been distorted beyond its constitutional assignment.”

[patientlywaiting]

I would rather spend $30 billion to help out the FBs in America and 10 times more, each year, to continue the war in Iraq.

Doug Kmiec endorsed Obama.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120641048754261255.html

On Sunday, Mr. Obama was also endorsed by a lesser-known but more surprising figure — a constitutional law professor who headed the Office of Legal Counsel for both Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush.
Doug Kmiec is a respected professor at Pepperdine Law School, where Ken Starr serves as dean. He certainly hasn’t shown much previous inclination towards political apostasy — earlier this month he was still serving as co-chair of the Mitt Romney campaign’s Committee on the Courts and the Constitution.

Then he moves to the crux of his decision, which comes down to the Iraq War: “Our president has involved our nation in a military engagement without sufficient justification or clear objective. In so doing, he has incurred both tragic loss of life and extraordinary debt jeopardizing the economy and the well-being of the average American citizen.”

Mr. Kmiec then goes on to assert: “The office of the presidency, which it was once my privilege to defend… has been distorted beyond its constitutional assignment.”

[patientlywaiting]

I would rather spend $30 billion to help out the FBs in America and 10 times more, each year, to continue the war in Iraq.

Doug Kmiec endorsed Obama.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120641048754261255.html

On Sunday, Mr. Obama was also endorsed by a lesser-known but more surprising figure — a constitutional law professor who headed the Office of Legal Counsel for both Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush.
Doug Kmiec is a respected professor at Pepperdine Law School, where Ken Starr serves as dean. He certainly hasn’t shown much previous inclination towards political apostasy — earlier this month he was still serving as co-chair of the Mitt Romney campaign’s Committee on the Courts and the Constitution.

Then he moves to the crux of his decision, which comes down to the Iraq War: “Our president has involved our nation in a military engagement without sufficient justification or clear objective. In so doing, he has incurred both tragic loss of life and extraordinary debt jeopardizing the economy and the well-being of the average American citizen.”

Mr. Kmiec then goes on to assert: “The office of the presidency, which it was once my privilege to defend… has been distorted beyond its constitutional assignment.”

[Aecetia]

Good for McCain. No permanent bailout! It sounds like he is getting up to speed on this issue: “ ‘We must have greater transparency in the lending process so that every borrower knows exactly what he is agreeing to and where every lender is required to meet the highest standards of ethical behavior,’ he said.

Mr. McCain did not rule out a bailout, instead saying any such aid should be temporary and ‘no assistance should be given to speculators.’

‘Any assistance for borrowers should be focused solely on homeowners, not people who bought houses for speculative purposes, to rent or as second homes,’ he said.”

[Navydoc]

So where does that leave folks who “speculated” that their home would go up in value, so they could take that teaser rate and option arm to afford a place they wouldn’t qualify for? In Claifornia I think there are a lot of these people, and they ARE actually living in the home. How do they get bailed out? I just don’t think there is enough money at the governments disposal to solve this problem.

Pehaps I’m overestimating the number of people out there like this, but I pesonally know a large number of them, so I kind of doubt it.

[patientlywaiting]

Navydoc, I know a number of people like that too. The Fed can lower interest rates all they want but when the monthly mortgage doubles (rather than triples) those homeowners will still eventually lose their houses. It’s just a matter of time.

Acetia, I’m a libertarian and voted Republican many times. The problem with Mc Cain is that he wants to stay 100 years in Iraq; and, by his own admission, Mc Cain knows nothing about the economy.

Remember Econ 101? Big government spending is depriving the private sector of needed financing. The Iraq War is a huge reason why we are entering recession.

[Dukehorn]

Considering that the Fed just bailed out Bear Sterns, maybe you should worry more about what this current administration is doing.

I’m not happy about “bailing out” some of these homebuyers, but I’m less inclined to be saving investment bankers/analysts making over $200,000 in NYC.

Also, just wondering what price you put on people’s lives. How much “cost” do you associate with those 4,000 dead American soldiers and the numerous wounded besides the explicit cost of the war?

Considering the cost to date of the Iraq War is over 500 billion, I’d say that the 10 billion that Obama is offering up to save some Americans is chump change.

Feel free to disagree. As for nitwit Democrats, I’d rather have a nitwit than a moron that deliberately lied to the American people and put us in a war that’s lasted longer than WWII (though it’s technically not a war since that’s bad PR and he doesn’t want us to “sacrifice” our cushy lifestyle). Ironic, much??

[kev374]

As much as I dislike squandering so much for this senseless war I am more opposed to a bailout. So for me a democrat is out of the question as they will make this bailout happen and increase taxes on the upper middle class who are already penalized too much for doing the right thing

[raptorduck]

Did I hear Hilary correctly on NPR that she wants to set aside $50 billion to buy foreclosed homes for towns in distress that will then be converted to low income housing?

[raptorduck]

Did I hear Hilary correctly on NPR that she wants to set aside $50 billion to buy foreclosed homes for towns in distress that will then be converted to low income housing?

[raptorduck]

Did I hear Hilary correctly on NPR that she wants to set aside $50 billion to buy foreclosed homes for towns in distress that will then be converted to low income housing?

[raptorduck]

Did I hear Hilary correctly on NPR that she wants to set aside $50 billion to buy foreclosed homes for towns in distress that will then be converted to low income housing?

[raptorduck]

Did I hear Hilary correctly on NPR that she wants to set aside $50 billion to buy foreclosed homes for towns in distress that will then be converted to low income housing?

[Arraya]

As much as I dislike squandering so much for this senseless war I am more opposed to a bailout.

How many people will a bailout kill?

Personally I think you are all naive to think that the Wall Street will not get bailed out, whomever gets elected. They all speak with forked tongues pandering to their base.

The best bailout for the 0 down folks is to walk away from their home. Any attempt to keep people paying is a bailout for the IBs.

On that note I don’t think any of the candidates will withdraw from Iraq, no matter what they say.

[Arraya]

As much as I dislike squandering so much for this senseless war I am more opposed to a bailout.

How many people will a bailout kill?

Personally I think you are all naive to think that the Wall Street will not get bailed out, whomever gets elected. They all speak with forked tongues pandering to their base.

The best bailout for the 0 down folks is to walk away from their home. Any attempt to keep people paying is a bailout for the IBs.

On that note I don’t think any of the candidates will withdraw from Iraq, no matter what they say.

[Arraya]

As much as I dislike squandering so much for this senseless war I am more opposed to a bailout.

How many people will a bailout kill?

Personally I think you are all naive to think that the Wall Street will not get bailed out, whomever gets elected. They all speak with forked tongues pandering to their base.

The best bailout for the 0 down folks is to walk away from their home. Any attempt to keep people paying is a bailout for the IBs.

On that note I don’t think any of the candidates will withdraw from Iraq, no matter what they say.

[Arraya]

As much as I dislike squandering so much for this senseless war I am more opposed to a bailout.

How many people will a bailout kill?

Personally I think you are all naive to think that the Wall Street will not get bailed out, whomever gets elected. They all speak with forked tongues pandering to their base.

The best bailout for the 0 down folks is to walk away from their home. Any attempt to keep people paying is a bailout for the IBs.

On that note I don’t think any of the candidates will withdraw from Iraq, no matter what they say.

[Arraya]

As much as I dislike squandering so much for this senseless war I am more opposed to a bailout.

How many people will a bailout kill?

Personally I think you are all naive to think that the Wall Street will not get bailed out, whomever gets elected. They all speak with forked tongues pandering to their base.

The best bailout for the 0 down folks is to walk away from their home. Any attempt to keep people paying is a bailout for the IBs.

On that note I don’t think any of the candidates will withdraw from Iraq, no matter what they say.

[kev374]

As much as I dislike squandering so much for this senseless war I am more opposed to a bailout. So for me a democrat is out of the question as they will make this bailout happen and increase taxes on the upper middle class who are already penalized too much for doing the right thing

[kev374]

As much as I dislike squandering so much for this senseless war I am more opposed to a bailout. So for me a democrat is out of the question as they will make this bailout happen and increase taxes on the upper middle class who are already penalized too much for doing the right thing

[kev374]

As much as I dislike squandering so much for this senseless war I am more opposed to a bailout. So for me a democrat is out of the question as they will make this bailout happen and increase taxes on the upper middle class who are already penalized too much for doing the right thing

[kev374]

As much as I dislike squandering so much for this senseless war I am more opposed to a bailout. So for me a democrat is out of the question as they will make this bailout happen and increase taxes on the upper middle class who are already penalized too much for doing the right thing

[Dukehorn]

Considering that the Fed just bailed out Bear Sterns, maybe you should worry more about what this current administration is doing.

I’m not happy about “bailing out” some of these homebuyers, but I’m less inclined to be saving investment bankers/analysts making over $200,000 in NYC.

Also, just wondering what price you put on people’s lives. How much “cost” do you associate with those 4,000 dead American soldiers and the numerous wounded besides the explicit cost of the war?

Considering the cost to date of the Iraq War is over 500 billion, I’d say that the 10 billion that Obama is offering up to save some Americans is chump change.

Feel free to disagree. As for nitwit Democrats, I’d rather have a nitwit than a moron that deliberately lied to the American people and put us in a war that’s lasted longer than WWII (though it’s technically not a war since that’s bad PR and he doesn’t want us to “sacrifice” our cushy lifestyle). Ironic, much??

[Dukehorn]

Considering that the Fed just bailed out Bear Sterns, maybe you should worry more about what this current administration is doing.

I’m not happy about “bailing out” some of these homebuyers, but I’m less inclined to be saving investment bankers/analysts making over $200,000 in NYC.

Also, just wondering what price you put on people’s lives. How much “cost” do you associate with those 4,000 dead American soldiers and the numerous wounded besides the explicit cost of the war?

Considering the cost to date of the Iraq War is over 500 billion, I’d say that the 10 billion that Obama is offering up to save some Americans is chump change.

Feel free to disagree. As for nitwit Democrats, I’d rather have a nitwit than a moron that deliberately lied to the American people and put us in a war that’s lasted longer than WWII (though it’s technically not a war since that’s bad PR and he doesn’t want us to “sacrifice” our cushy lifestyle). Ironic, much??

[Dukehorn]

Considering that the Fed just bailed out Bear Sterns, maybe you should worry more about what this current administration is doing.

I’m not happy about “bailing out” some of these homebuyers, but I’m less inclined to be saving investment bankers/analysts making over $200,000 in NYC.

Also, just wondering what price you put on people’s lives. How much “cost” do you associate with those 4,000 dead American soldiers and the numerous wounded besides the explicit cost of the war?

Considering the cost to date of the Iraq War is over 500 billion, I’d say that the 10 billion that Obama is offering up to save some Americans is chump change.

Feel free to disagree. As for nitwit Democrats, I’d rather have a nitwit than a moron that deliberately lied to the American people and put us in a war that’s lasted longer than WWII (though it’s technically not a war since that’s bad PR and he doesn’t want us to “sacrifice” our cushy lifestyle). Ironic, much??

[Dukehorn]

Considering that the Fed just bailed out Bear Sterns, maybe you should worry more about what this current administration is doing.

I’m not happy about “bailing out” some of these homebuyers, but I’m less inclined to be saving investment bankers/analysts making over $200,000 in NYC.

Also, just wondering what price you put on people’s lives. How much “cost” do you associate with those 4,000 dead American soldiers and the numerous wounded besides the explicit cost of the war?

Considering the cost to date of the Iraq War is over 500 billion, I’d say that the 10 billion that Obama is offering up to save some Americans is chump change.

Feel free to disagree. As for nitwit Democrats, I’d rather have a nitwit than a moron that deliberately lied to the American people and put us in a war that’s lasted longer than WWII (though it’s technically not a war since that’s bad PR and he doesn’t want us to “sacrifice” our cushy lifestyle). Ironic, much??

[jficquette]

McCain must have mispoke(g). How can he not know about the economy? He has been in the Senate forever.

John

[jficquette]

McCain must have mispoke(g). How can he not know about the economy? He has been in the Senate forever.

John

[jficquette]

McCain must have mispoke(g). How can he not know about the economy? He has been in the Senate forever.

John

[jficquette]

McCain must have mispoke(g). How can he not know about the economy? He has been in the Senate forever.

John

[jficquette]

McCain must have mispoke(g). How can he not know about the economy? He has been in the Senate forever.

John

[patientlywaiting]

Navydoc, I know a number of people like that too. The Fed can lower interest rates all they want but when the monthly mortgage doubles (rather than triples) those homeowners will still eventually lose their houses. It’s just a matter of time.

Acetia, I’m a libertarian and voted Republican many times. The problem with Mc Cain is that he wants to stay 100 years in Iraq; and, by his own admission, Mc Cain knows nothing about the economy.

Remember Econ 101? Big government spending is depriving the private sector of needed financing. The Iraq War is a huge reason why we are entering recession.

[patientlywaiting]

Navydoc, I know a number of people like that too. The Fed can lower interest rates all they want but when the monthly mortgage doubles (rather than triples) those homeowners will still eventually lose their houses. It’s just a matter of time.

Acetia, I’m a libertarian and voted Republican many times. The problem with Mc Cain is that he wants to stay 100 years in Iraq; and, by his own admission, Mc Cain knows nothing about the economy.

Remember Econ 101? Big government spending is depriving the private sector of needed financing. The Iraq War is a huge reason why we are entering recession.

[patientlywaiting]

Navydoc, I know a number of people like that too. The Fed can lower interest rates all they want but when the monthly mortgage doubles (rather than triples) those homeowners will still eventually lose their houses. It’s just a matter of time.

Acetia, I’m a libertarian and voted Republican many times. The problem with Mc Cain is that he wants to stay 100 years in Iraq; and, by his own admission, Mc Cain knows nothing about the economy.

Remember Econ 101? Big government spending is depriving the private sector of needed financing. The Iraq War is a huge reason why we are entering recession.

[patientlywaiting]

Navydoc, I know a number of people like that too. The Fed can lower interest rates all they want but when the monthly mortgage doubles (rather than triples) those homeowners will still eventually lose their houses. It’s just a matter of time.

Acetia, I’m a libertarian and voted Republican many times. The problem with Mc Cain is that he wants to stay 100 years in Iraq; and, by his own admission, Mc Cain knows nothing about the economy.

Remember Econ 101? Big government spending is depriving the private sector of needed financing. The Iraq War is a huge reason why we are entering recession.

[Navydoc]

So where does that leave folks who “speculated” that their home would go up in value, so they could take that teaser rate and option arm to afford a place they wouldn’t qualify for? In Claifornia I think there are a lot of these people, and they ARE actually living in the home. How do they get bailed out? I just don’t think there is enough money at the governments disposal to solve this problem.

Pehaps I’m overestimating the number of people out there like this, but I pesonally know a large number of them, so I kind of doubt it.

[Navydoc]

So where does that leave folks who “speculated” that their home would go up in value, so they could take that teaser rate and option arm to afford a place they wouldn’t qualify for? In Claifornia I think there are a lot of these people, and they ARE actually living in the home. How do they get bailed out? I just don’t think there is enough money at the governments disposal to solve this problem.

Pehaps I’m overestimating the number of people out there like this, but I pesonally know a large number of them, so I kind of doubt it.

[Navydoc]

So where does that leave folks who “speculated” that their home would go up in value, so they could take that teaser rate and option arm to afford a place they wouldn’t qualify for? In Claifornia I think there are a lot of these people, and they ARE actually living in the home. How do they get bailed out? I just don’t think there is enough money at the governments disposal to solve this problem.

Pehaps I’m overestimating the number of people out there like this, but I pesonally know a large number of them, so I kind of doubt it.

[Navydoc]

So where does that leave folks who “speculated” that their home would go up in value, so they could take that teaser rate and option arm to afford a place they wouldn’t qualify for? In Claifornia I think there are a lot of these people, and they ARE actually living in the home. How do they get bailed out? I just don’t think there is enough money at the governments disposal to solve this problem.

Pehaps I’m overestimating the number of people out there like this, but I pesonally know a large number of them, so I kind of doubt it.

[Aecetia]

Good for McCain. No permanent bailout! It sounds like he is getting up to speed on this issue: “ ‘We must have greater transparency in the lending process so that every borrower knows exactly what he is agreeing to and where every lender is required to meet the highest standards of ethical behavior,’ he said.

Mr. McCain did not rule out a bailout, instead saying any such aid should be temporary and ‘no assistance should be given to speculators.’

‘Any assistance for borrowers should be focused solely on homeowners, not people who bought houses for speculative purposes, to rent or as second homes,’ he said.”

[Aecetia]

Good for McCain. No permanent bailout! It sounds like he is getting up to speed on this issue: “ ‘We must have greater transparency in the lending process so that every borrower knows exactly what he is agreeing to and where every lender is required to meet the highest standards of ethical behavior,’ he said.

Mr. McCain did not rule out a bailout, instead saying any such aid should be temporary and ‘no assistance should be given to speculators.’

‘Any assistance for borrowers should be focused solely on homeowners, not people who bought houses for speculative purposes, to rent or as second homes,’ he said.”

[Aecetia]

Good for McCain. No permanent bailout! It sounds like he is getting up to speed on this issue: “ ‘We must have greater transparency in the lending process so that every borrower knows exactly what he is agreeing to and where every lender is required to meet the highest standards of ethical behavior,’ he said.

Mr. McCain did not rule out a bailout, instead saying any such aid should be temporary and ‘no assistance should be given to speculators.’

‘Any assistance for borrowers should be focused solely on homeowners, not people who bought houses for speculative purposes, to rent or as second homes,’ he said.”

[Aecetia]

Good for McCain. No permanent bailout! It sounds like he is getting up to speed on this issue: “ ‘We must have greater transparency in the lending process so that every borrower knows exactly what he is agreeing to and where every lender is required to meet the highest standards of ethical behavior,’ he said.

Mr. McCain did not rule out a bailout, instead saying any such aid should be temporary and ‘no assistance should be given to speculators.’

‘Any assistance for borrowers should be focused solely on homeowners, not people who bought houses for speculative purposes, to rent or as second homes,’ he said.”

[capeman]

Well, Dubya claimed he wouldn’t allow bailouts either but he signed the deal on BSC. These guys are politicians and they do what they have to for their party and the ones who line their pockets. I am already voting for McCain due to his tendancy to handout less but if push comes to shove he’ll change his mind to suit his political agenda.

[Enorah]

Who here actually believes the crap that comes out of their mouths? They are trying to get elected (as if that is the way it really works anymore anyways). They are all speaking their particular party speak. None of it is real.

[nostradamus]

I think it’s pretty safe to say that no matter who gets elected, American military presence in Iraq will be permanent (like Korea, Japan, Germany) and the investment banks will be getting bailed out as much as possible. All paid for by us.

The question is, how long are Americans going to take this? I for one am sick of being an ostrich. At least 1/3 of most people’s lifelong working career is dedicated to paying taxes, and those taxes are being used to enrich a privileged few. After sales tax and everything else we probably pay the equivalent of taxes in a socialist society but we don’t get any of the benefits of one (health care, retirement, etc).

Check this out, especially all the taxes and acts that led up to it. Please do not take this as incitement, rather just an historical observation of the similarities between then and now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_revolution

[Arraya]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3178067774724260562&q=the+onion+deibold&total=9&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[Arraya]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3178067774724260562&q=the+onion+deibold&total=9&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[Arraya]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3178067774724260562&q=the+onion+deibold&total=9&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[Arraya]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3178067774724260562&q=the+onion+deibold&total=9&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[Arraya]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3178067774724260562&q=the+onion+deibold&total=9&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[patientlywaiting]

nostradamus, you’re quite right in saying that after all the leves of taxes, fees and costs, we are paying just as much, or more than in socialist countries, yet we don’t have the benefits.

Some of my friends in Europe cannot believe how much we pay in property taxes and HOA as well as health care and education. Most Americans don’t realize it but their health insurance contributions at work as well as co-payments are taxes.

The difference with the military installations in Korea, Japan and Germany is that unlike, Iraq, the locals don’t want to kill us. They never did. 4000 Americans never died after the military hostilities ended in Korea, Japan, and Germany combined.

I’m sick of the Bush Administration talking about the heroes in Iraq. Think about what those talented heroes could be doing if their wonderful skills were used in the private sector.

[svelte]

Blackbox, your headline only makes sense if your view is that speculators are the irresponsible. McCain states he will consider bailing out homeowners.

By the way, a little light-hearted ribbing…it’s kind of ironic that someone with the handle “blackbox” supports someone calling for more transparency! 🙂

[kev374]

Agreed that politicians are all the same, a bunch of liars who are only hand in glove with those that are greasing their palms.

[cashman]

Ditto kev374 comments that as much as I oppose the Iraq war, I would rather not have socialism imposed by the Democrats. Let’s be honest, how many people who bought in the last few years were duped into the mess they are in now? I think it’s a very small percentage. Most people were just plain greedy, and now they’re getting burnt, deservedly so. Do you want your increased taxes to bail them out?

[Sandi Egan]

I don’t think the POTUS gets to decide on economy matters. It’s the likes of Bernanke and Paulson who run the economy, having the president justify their actions in light of his own policy.

But foreign policy is different, and I am terrified by the possibility of an explicitly war-mongering neocon getting into the office.

I understand that for many of us current economic situation seems more important at the moment than foreign policy, but please don’t forget the price of waging multiple wars. That’s much, much more than anything a dem would be willing to spend on bailouts and health care. And much less beneficial for this country.

[Casca]

You high-minded anti-war types might make sense of “this senseless war” one day. Probably right after the Iranians start popping nukes.

[patientlywaiting]

It was not a senseless war from the Iranian point of view. The invasion of Iraq was America’s greatest gift to Iran by removing Iran’s #1 enemy.

If Iran is the real threat, then why are we in Iraq?

[nostradamus]

15 of the 19 terrorists in the 9/11 attacks were from Saudi Arabia and were trained in Afghanistan. We know that the info about weapons of mass destruction and the supposed threat posed by Iraq was falsified. Can someone tell me why we’re in Iraq?

[LA_Renter]

Well since this is a political thread I thought I would post this report confirming Hillary’s statements about Bosnia.

[jficquette]

In that she just proves to be a liar. In this http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=67734 she looks just dumb.

She says she speaks millions of words each week and its easy to say “things”.

Basically she is saying that “I talk so much that I am bound to lie about something”.

If she were to be president then how can anyone believe anything she says about anything. How can the Russians or Chinese believe anything either?

John

[Arraya]

If she were to be president then how can anyone believe anything she says about anything. How can the Russians or Chinese believe anything either?

Especially after such straight talkers like bush and cheney.

[jficquette]

“Especially after such straight talkers like bush and cheney”.

Exactly!

[zk]

“Especially after such straight talkers like bush and cheney”.

Exactly!

jficquette,

Unless I am (or you are) confused, you’re turning arraya’s sarcasm around and saying that you actually believe that Bush and Cheney are straight talkers. Is that what you’re saying?

[Arraya]

Unless I am (or you are) confused, you’re turning arraya’s sarcasm around and saying that you actually believe that Bush and Cheney are straight talkers. Is that what you’re saying?

Are there really people that would not get that as sarcasm? Sometimes I feel like I’m in the twilight zone…

[cashman]

Life’s a bitch, don’t vote for one.

[cashman]

Life’s a bitch, don’t vote for one.

[cashman]

Life’s a bitch, don’t vote for one.

[cashman]

Life’s a bitch, don’t vote for one.

[cashman]

Life’s a bitch, don’t vote for one.

[Arraya]

Unless I am (or you are) confused, you’re turning arraya’s sarcasm around and saying that you actually believe that Bush and Cheney are straight talkers. Is that what you’re saying?

Are there really people that would not get that as sarcasm? Sometimes I feel like I’m in the twilight zone…

[Arraya]

Unless I am (or you are) confused, you’re turning arraya’s sarcasm around and saying that you actually believe that Bush and Cheney are straight talkers. Is that what you’re saying?

Are there really people that would not get that as sarcasm? Sometimes I feel like I’m in the twilight zone…

[Arraya]

Unless I am (or you are) confused, you’re turning arraya’s sarcasm around and saying that you actually believe that Bush and Cheney are straight talkers. Is that what you’re saying?

Are there really people that would not get that as sarcasm? Sometimes I feel like I’m in the twilight zone…

[Arraya]

Unless I am (or you are) confused, you’re turning arraya’s sarcasm around and saying that you actually believe that Bush and Cheney are straight talkers. Is that what you’re saying?

Are there really people that would not get that as sarcasm? Sometimes I feel like I’m in the twilight zone…

[zk]

“Especially after such straight talkers like bush and cheney”.

Exactly!

jficquette,

Unless I am (or you are) confused, you’re turning arraya’s sarcasm around and saying that you actually believe that Bush and Cheney are straight talkers. Is that what you’re saying?

[zk]

“Especially after such straight talkers like bush and cheney”.

Exactly!

jficquette,

Unless I am (or you are) confused, you’re turning arraya’s sarcasm around and saying that you actually believe that Bush and Cheney are straight talkers. Is that what you’re saying?

[zk]

“Especially after such straight talkers like bush and cheney”.

Exactly!

jficquette,

Unless I am (or you are) confused, you’re turning arraya’s sarcasm around and saying that you actually believe that Bush and Cheney are straight talkers. Is that what you’re saying?

[zk]

“Especially after such straight talkers like bush and cheney”.

Exactly!

jficquette,

Unless I am (or you are) confused, you’re turning arraya’s sarcasm around and saying that you actually believe that Bush and Cheney are straight talkers. Is that what you’re saying?

[jficquette]

“Especially after such straight talkers like bush and cheney”.

Exactly!

[jficquette]

“Especially after such straight talkers like bush and cheney”.

Exactly!

[jficquette]

“Especially after such straight talkers like bush and cheney”.

Exactly!

[jficquette]

“Especially after such straight talkers like bush and cheney”.

Exactly!

[DoJC]

Even John & Ken from KFI AM 640 today said that, after hearing about the plans of Obama and Clinton to bail out borrowers, anyone would be a fool to vote for them now.

And, even worse, is that after all the mud slinging and namecalling, that if Obama gets nominated 26% of Clinton’s followers would vote for McCain, and if Clinton gets it that 18% of Obama’s followers would vote for him.

Either way, with a really bad economy, growing inflation, massive housing values drops, increasing joblessness, and several other factors I find it hard to imagine ANYONE seeking election to the Presidency would even think about raising taxes, much less propose incredibly costly ideas like borrower bailouts.

– Doug

[DoJC]

Even John & Ken from KFI AM 640 today said that, after hearing about the plans of Obama and Clinton to bail out borrowers, anyone would be a fool to vote for them now.

And, even worse, is that after all the mud slinging and namecalling, that if Obama gets nominated 26% of Clinton’s followers would vote for McCain, and if Clinton gets it that 18% of Obama’s followers would vote for him.

Either way, with a really bad economy, growing inflation, massive housing values drops, increasing joblessness, and several other factors I find it hard to imagine ANYONE seeking election to the Presidency would even think about raising taxes, much less propose incredibly costly ideas like borrower bailouts.

– Doug

[DoJC]

Even John & Ken from KFI AM 640 today said that, after hearing about the plans of Obama and Clinton to bail out borrowers, anyone would be a fool to vote for them now.

And, even worse, is that after all the mud slinging and namecalling, that if Obama gets nominated 26% of Clinton’s followers would vote for McCain, and if Clinton gets it that 18% of Obama’s followers would vote for him.

Either way, with a really bad economy, growing inflation, massive housing values drops, increasing joblessness, and several other factors I find it hard to imagine ANYONE seeking election to the Presidency would even think about raising taxes, much less propose incredibly costly ideas like borrower bailouts.

– Doug

[DoJC]

Even John & Ken from KFI AM 640 today said that, after hearing about the plans of Obama and Clinton to bail out borrowers, anyone would be a fool to vote for them now.

And, even worse, is that after all the mud slinging and namecalling, that if Obama gets nominated 26% of Clinton’s followers would vote for McCain, and if Clinton gets it that 18% of Obama’s followers would vote for him.

Either way, with a really bad economy, growing inflation, massive housing values drops, increasing joblessness, and several other factors I find it hard to imagine ANYONE seeking election to the Presidency would even think about raising taxes, much less propose incredibly costly ideas like borrower bailouts.

– Doug

[DoJC]

Even John & Ken from KFI AM 640 today said that, after hearing about the plans of Obama and Clinton to bail out borrowers, anyone would be a fool to vote for them now.

And, even worse, is that after all the mud slinging and namecalling, that if Obama gets nominated 26% of Clinton’s followers would vote for McCain, and if Clinton gets it that 18% of Obama’s followers would vote for him.

Either way, with a really bad economy, growing inflation, massive housing values drops, increasing joblessness, and several other factors I find it hard to imagine ANYONE seeking election to the Presidency would even think about raising taxes, much less propose incredibly costly ideas like borrower bailouts.

– Doug

[Arraya]

If she were to be president then how can anyone believe anything she says about anything. How can the Russians or Chinese believe anything either?

Especially after such straight talkers like bush and cheney.

[Arraya]

If she were to be president then how can anyone believe anything she says about anything. How can the Russians or Chinese believe anything either?

Especially after such straight talkers like bush and cheney.

[Arraya]

If she were to be president then how can anyone believe anything she says about anything. How can the Russians or Chinese believe anything either?

Especially after such straight talkers like bush and cheney.

[Arraya]

If she were to be president then how can anyone believe anything she says about anything. How can the Russians or Chinese believe anything either?

Especially after such straight talkers like bush and cheney.

[jficquette]

In that she just proves to be a liar. In this http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=67734 she looks just dumb.

She says she speaks millions of words each week and its easy to say “things”.

Basically she is saying that “I talk so much that I am bound to lie about something”.

If she were to be president then how can anyone believe anything she says about anything. How can the Russians or Chinese believe anything either?

John

[jficquette]

In that she just proves to be a liar. In this http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=67734 she looks just dumb.

She says she speaks millions of words each week and its easy to say “things”.

Basically she is saying that “I talk so much that I am bound to lie about something”.

If she were to be president then how can anyone believe anything she says about anything. How can the Russians or Chinese believe anything either?

John

[jficquette]

In that she just proves to be a liar. In this http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=67734 she looks just dumb.

She says she speaks millions of words each week and its easy to say “things”.

Basically she is saying that “I talk so much that I am bound to lie about something”.

If she were to be president then how can anyone believe anything she says about anything. How can the Russians or Chinese believe anything either?

John

[jficquette]

In that she just proves to be a liar. In this http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=67734 she looks just dumb.

She says she speaks millions of words each week and its easy to say “things”.

Basically she is saying that “I talk so much that I am bound to lie about something”.

If she were to be president then how can anyone believe anything she says about anything. How can the Russians or Chinese believe anything either?

John

[LA_Renter]

Well since this is a political thread I thought I would post this report confirming Hillary’s statements about Bosnia.

[LA_Renter]

Well since this is a political thread I thought I would post this report confirming Hillary’s statements about Bosnia.

[LA_Renter]

Well since this is a political thread I thought I would post this report confirming Hillary’s statements about Bosnia.

[LA_Renter]

Well since this is a political thread I thought I would post this report confirming Hillary’s statements about Bosnia.

[Arraya]

Can someone tell me why we’re in Iraq?

Pay no attention to the last reserves of sweet crude being pillaged and plundered.

“By some estimates there will be an average of two per cent annual growth in global oil demand over the years ahead along with conservatively a three per cent natural decline in production from existing reserves. That means by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? Governments and the national oil companies are obviously in control of about ninety per cent of the assets. Oil remains fundamentally a government business. While many regions of the world offer greet oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world’s oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greeter access there, progress continues to be slow.”

-Dick Cheney 1999

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck

[Arraya]

Can someone tell me why we’re in Iraq?

Pay no attention to the last reserves of sweet crude being pillaged and plundered.

“By some estimates there will be an average of two per cent annual growth in global oil demand over the years ahead along with conservatively a three per cent natural decline in production from existing reserves. That means by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? Governments and the national oil companies are obviously in control of about ninety per cent of the assets. Oil remains fundamentally a government business. While many regions of the world offer greet oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world’s oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greeter access there, progress continues to be slow.”

-Dick Cheney 1999

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck

[Arraya]

Can someone tell me why we’re in Iraq?

Pay no attention to the last reserves of sweet crude being pillaged and plundered.

“By some estimates there will be an average of two per cent annual growth in global oil demand over the years ahead along with conservatively a three per cent natural decline in production from existing reserves. That means by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? Governments and the national oil companies are obviously in control of about ninety per cent of the assets. Oil remains fundamentally a government business. While many regions of the world offer greet oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world’s oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greeter access there, progress continues to be slow.”

-Dick Cheney 1999

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck

[Arraya]

Can someone tell me why we’re in Iraq?

Pay no attention to the last reserves of sweet crude being pillaged and plundered.

“By some estimates there will be an average of two per cent annual growth in global oil demand over the years ahead along with conservatively a three per cent natural decline in production from existing reserves. That means by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? Governments and the national oil companies are obviously in control of about ninety per cent of the assets. Oil remains fundamentally a government business. While many regions of the world offer greet oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world’s oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greeter access there, progress continues to be slow.”

-Dick Cheney 1999

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck

[Arraya]

Can someone tell me why we’re in Iraq?

Pay no attention to the last reserves of sweet crude being pillaged and plundered.

“By some estimates there will be an average of two per cent annual growth in global oil demand over the years ahead along with conservatively a three per cent natural decline in production from existing reserves. That means by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? Governments and the national oil companies are obviously in control of about ninety per cent of the assets. Oil remains fundamentally a government business. While many regions of the world offer greet oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world’s oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greeter access there, progress continues to be slow.”

-Dick Cheney 1999

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck

[nostradamus]

15 of the 19 terrorists in the 9/11 attacks were from Saudi Arabia and were trained in Afghanistan. We know that the info about weapons of mass destruction and the supposed threat posed by Iraq was falsified. Can someone tell me why we’re in Iraq?

[nostradamus]

15 of the 19 terrorists in the 9/11 attacks were from Saudi Arabia and were trained in Afghanistan. We know that the info about weapons of mass destruction and the supposed threat posed by Iraq was falsified. Can someone tell me why we’re in Iraq?

[nostradamus]

15 of the 19 terrorists in the 9/11 attacks were from Saudi Arabia and were trained in Afghanistan. We know that the info about weapons of mass destruction and the supposed threat posed by Iraq was falsified. Can someone tell me why we’re in Iraq?

[nostradamus]

15 of the 19 terrorists in the 9/11 attacks were from Saudi Arabia and were trained in Afghanistan. We know that the info about weapons of mass destruction and the supposed threat posed by Iraq was falsified. Can someone tell me why we’re in Iraq?

[patientlywaiting]

It was not a senseless war from the Iranian point of view. The invasion of Iraq was America’s greatest gift to Iran by removing Iran’s #1 enemy.

If Iran is the real threat, then why are we in Iraq?

[patientlywaiting]

It was not a senseless war from the Iranian point of view. The invasion of Iraq was America’s greatest gift to Iran by removing Iran’s #1 enemy.

If Iran is the real threat, then why are we in Iraq?

[patientlywaiting]

It was not a senseless war from the Iranian point of view. The invasion of Iraq was America’s greatest gift to Iran by removing Iran’s #1 enemy.

If Iran is the real threat, then why are we in Iraq?

[patientlywaiting]

It was not a senseless war from the Iranian point of view. The invasion of Iraq was America’s greatest gift to Iran by removing Iran’s #1 enemy.

If Iran is the real threat, then why are we in Iraq?

[Casca]

You high-minded anti-war types might make sense of “this senseless war” one day. Probably right after the Iranians start popping nukes.

[Casca]

You high-minded anti-war types might make sense of “this senseless war” one day. Probably right after the Iranians start popping nukes.

[Casca]

You high-minded anti-war types might make sense of “this senseless war” one day. Probably right after the Iranians start popping nukes.

[Casca]

You high-minded anti-war types might make sense of “this senseless war” one day. Probably right after the Iranians start popping nukes.

[Sandi Egan]

I don’t think the POTUS gets to decide on economy matters. It’s the likes of Bernanke and Paulson who run the economy, having the president justify their actions in light of his own policy.

But foreign policy is different, and I am terrified by the possibility of an explicitly war-mongering neocon getting into the office.

I understand that for many of us current economic situation seems more important at the moment than foreign policy, but please don’t forget the price of waging multiple wars. That’s much, much more than anything a dem would be willing to spend on bailouts and health care. And much less beneficial for this country.

[Sandi Egan]

I don’t think the POTUS gets to decide on economy matters. It’s the likes of Bernanke and Paulson who run the economy, having the president justify their actions in light of his own policy.

But foreign policy is different, and I am terrified by the possibility of an explicitly war-mongering neocon getting into the office.

I understand that for many of us current economic situation seems more important at the moment than foreign policy, but please don’t forget the price of waging multiple wars. That’s much, much more than anything a dem would be willing to spend on bailouts and health care. And much less beneficial for this country.

[Sandi Egan]

I don’t think the POTUS gets to decide on economy matters. It’s the likes of Bernanke and Paulson who run the economy, having the president justify their actions in light of his own policy.

But foreign policy is different, and I am terrified by the possibility of an explicitly war-mongering neocon getting into the office.

I understand that for many of us current economic situation seems more important at the moment than foreign policy, but please don’t forget the price of waging multiple wars. That’s much, much more than anything a dem would be willing to spend on bailouts and health care. And much less beneficial for this country.

[Sandi Egan]

I don’t think the POTUS gets to decide on economy matters. It’s the likes of Bernanke and Paulson who run the economy, having the president justify their actions in light of his own policy.

But foreign policy is different, and I am terrified by the possibility of an explicitly war-mongering neocon getting into the office.

I understand that for many of us current economic situation seems more important at the moment than foreign policy, but please don’t forget the price of waging multiple wars. That’s much, much more than anything a dem would be willing to spend on bailouts and health care. And much less beneficial for this country.

[cashman]

Ditto kev374 comments that as much as I oppose the Iraq war, I would rather not have socialism imposed by the Democrats. Let’s be honest, how many people who bought in the last few years were duped into the mess they are in now? I think it’s a very small percentage. Most people were just plain greedy, and now they’re getting burnt, deservedly so. Do you want your increased taxes to bail them out?

[cashman]

Ditto kev374 comments that as much as I oppose the Iraq war, I would rather not have socialism imposed by the Democrats. Let’s be honest, how many people who bought in the last few years were duped into the mess they are in now? I think it’s a very small percentage. Most people were just plain greedy, and now they’re getting burnt, deservedly so. Do you want your increased taxes to bail them out?

[cashman]

Ditto kev374 comments that as much as I oppose the Iraq war, I would rather not have socialism imposed by the Democrats. Let’s be honest, how many people who bought in the last few years were duped into the mess they are in now? I think it’s a very small percentage. Most people were just plain greedy, and now they’re getting burnt, deservedly so. Do you want your increased taxes to bail them out?

[cashman]

Ditto kev374 comments that as much as I oppose the Iraq war, I would rather not have socialism imposed by the Democrats. Let’s be honest, how many people who bought in the last few years were duped into the mess they are in now? I think it’s a very small percentage. Most people were just plain greedy, and now they’re getting burnt, deservedly so. Do you want your increased taxes to bail them out?

[kev374]

Agreed that politicians are all the same, a bunch of liars who are only hand in glove with those that are greasing their palms.

[kev374]

Agreed that politicians are all the same, a bunch of liars who are only hand in glove with those that are greasing their palms.

[kev374]

Agreed that politicians are all the same, a bunch of liars who are only hand in glove with those that are greasing their palms.

[kev374]

Agreed that politicians are all the same, a bunch of liars who are only hand in glove with those that are greasing their palms.

[svelte]

Blackbox, your headline only makes sense if your view is that speculators are the irresponsible. McCain states he will consider bailing out homeowners.

By the way, a little light-hearted ribbing…it’s kind of ironic that someone with the handle “blackbox” supports someone calling for more transparency! 🙂

[svelte]

Blackbox, your headline only makes sense if your view is that speculators are the irresponsible. McCain states he will consider bailing out homeowners.

By the way, a little light-hearted ribbing…it’s kind of ironic that someone with the handle “blackbox” supports someone calling for more transparency! 🙂

[svelte]

Blackbox, your headline only makes sense if your view is that speculators are the irresponsible. McCain states he will consider bailing out homeowners.

By the way, a little light-hearted ribbing…it’s kind of ironic that someone with the handle “blackbox” supports someone calling for more transparency! 🙂

[svelte]

Blackbox, your headline only makes sense if your view is that speculators are the irresponsible. McCain states he will consider bailing out homeowners.

By the way, a little light-hearted ribbing…it’s kind of ironic that someone with the handle “blackbox” supports someone calling for more transparency! 🙂

[patientlywaiting]

nostradamus, you’re quite right in saying that after all the leves of taxes, fees and costs, we are paying just as much, or more than in socialist countries, yet we don’t have the benefits.

Some of my friends in Europe cannot believe how much we pay in property taxes and HOA as well as health care and education. Most Americans don’t realize it but their health insurance contributions at work as well as co-payments are taxes.

The difference with the military installations in Korea, Japan and Germany is that unlike, Iraq, the locals don’t want to kill us. They never did. 4000 Americans never died after the military hostilities ended in Korea, Japan, and Germany combined.

I’m sick of the Bush Administration talking about the heroes in Iraq. Think about what those talented heroes could be doing if their wonderful skills were used in the private sector.

[patientlywaiting]

nostradamus, you’re quite right in saying that after all the leves of taxes, fees and costs, we are paying just as much, or more than in socialist countries, yet we don’t have the benefits.

Some of my friends in Europe cannot believe how much we pay in property taxes and HOA as well as health care and education. Most Americans don’t realize it but their health insurance contributions at work as well as co-payments are taxes.

The difference with the military installations in Korea, Japan and Germany is that unlike, Iraq, the locals don’t want to kill us. They never did. 4000 Americans never died after the military hostilities ended in Korea, Japan, and Germany combined.

I’m sick of the Bush Administration talking about the heroes in Iraq. Think about what those talented heroes could be doing if their wonderful skills were used in the private sector.

[patientlywaiting]

nostradamus, you’re quite right in saying that after all the leves of taxes, fees and costs, we are paying just as much, or more than in socialist countries, yet we don’t have the benefits.

Some of my friends in Europe cannot believe how much we pay in property taxes and HOA as well as health care and education. Most Americans don’t realize it but their health insurance contributions at work as well as co-payments are taxes.

The difference with the military installations in Korea, Japan and Germany is that unlike, Iraq, the locals don’t want to kill us. They never did. 4000 Americans never died after the military hostilities ended in Korea, Japan, and Germany combined.

I’m sick of the Bush Administration talking about the heroes in Iraq. Think about what those talented heroes could be doing if their wonderful skills were used in the private sector.

[patientlywaiting]

nostradamus, you’re quite right in saying that after all the leves of taxes, fees and costs, we are paying just as much, or more than in socialist countries, yet we don’t have the benefits.

Some of my friends in Europe cannot believe how much we pay in property taxes and HOA as well as health care and education. Most Americans don’t realize it but their health insurance contributions at work as well as co-payments are taxes.

The difference with the military installations in Korea, Japan and Germany is that unlike, Iraq, the locals don’t want to kill us. They never did. 4000 Americans never died after the military hostilities ended in Korea, Japan, and Germany combined.

I’m sick of the Bush Administration talking about the heroes in Iraq. Think about what those talented heroes could be doing if their wonderful skills were used in the private sector.

[nostradamus]

I think it’s pretty safe to say that no matter who gets elected, American military presence in Iraq will be permanent (like Korea, Japan, Germany) and the investment banks will be getting bailed out as much as possible. All paid for by us.

The question is, how long are Americans going to take this? I for one am sick of being an ostrich. At least 1/3 of most people’s lifelong working career is dedicated to paying taxes, and those taxes are being used to enrich a privileged few. After sales tax and everything else we probably pay the equivalent of taxes in a socialist society but we don’t get any of the benefits of one (health care, retirement, etc).

Check this out, especially all the taxes and acts that led up to it. Please do not take this as incitement, rather just an historical observation of the similarities between then and now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_revolution

[nostradamus]

I think it’s pretty safe to say that no matter who gets elected, American military presence in Iraq will be permanent (like Korea, Japan, Germany) and the investment banks will be getting bailed out as much as possible. All paid for by us.

The question is, how long are Americans going to take this? I for one am sick of being an ostrich. At least 1/3 of most people’s lifelong working career is dedicated to paying taxes, and those taxes are being used to enrich a privileged few. After sales tax and everything else we probably pay the equivalent of taxes in a socialist society but we don’t get any of the benefits of one (health care, retirement, etc).

Check this out, especially all the taxes and acts that led up to it. Please do not take this as incitement, rather just an historical observation of the similarities between then and now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_revolution

[nostradamus]

I think it’s pretty safe to say that no matter who gets elected, American military presence in Iraq will be permanent (like Korea, Japan, Germany) and the investment banks will be getting bailed out as much as possible. All paid for by us.

The question is, how long are Americans going to take this? I for one am sick of being an ostrich. At least 1/3 of most people’s lifelong working career is dedicated to paying taxes, and those taxes are being used to enrich a privileged few. After sales tax and everything else we probably pay the equivalent of taxes in a socialist society but we don’t get any of the benefits of one (health care, retirement, etc).

Check this out, especially all the taxes and acts that led up to it. Please do not take this as incitement, rather just an historical observation of the similarities between then and now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_revolution

[nostradamus]

I think it’s pretty safe to say that no matter who gets elected, American military presence in Iraq will be permanent (like Korea, Japan, Germany) and the investment banks will be getting bailed out as much as possible. All paid for by us.

The question is, how long are Americans going to take this? I for one am sick of being an ostrich. At least 1/3 of most people’s lifelong working career is dedicated to paying taxes, and those taxes are being used to enrich a privileged few. After sales tax and everything else we probably pay the equivalent of taxes in a socialist society but we don’t get any of the benefits of one (health care, retirement, etc).

Check this out, especially all the taxes and acts that led up to it. Please do not take this as incitement, rather just an historical observation of the similarities between then and now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_revolution

[Aecetia]

Patientlywaiting I am not a big McCain fan. However, I suggest you properly research the 100 year quote to see what he really said. I do not think anyone Libertarian, Republican or Democrat wants to spend 100 years there or in any other war.

Here is a link to the quote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/25/politics/politico/main3965272.shtml

[Aecetia]

Patientlywaiting I am not a big McCain fan. However, I suggest you properly research the 100 year quote to see what he really said. I do not think anyone Libertarian, Republican or Democrat wants to spend 100 years there or in any other war.

Here is a link to the quote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/25/politics/politico/main3965272.shtml

[Aecetia]

Patientlywaiting I am not a big McCain fan. However, I suggest you properly research the 100 year quote to see what he really said. I do not think anyone Libertarian, Republican or Democrat wants to spend 100 years there or in any other war.

Here is a link to the quote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/25/politics/politico/main3965272.shtml

[Aecetia]

Patientlywaiting I am not a big McCain fan. However, I suggest you properly research the 100 year quote to see what he really said. I do not think anyone Libertarian, Republican or Democrat wants to spend 100 years there or in any other war.

Here is a link to the quote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/25/politics/politico/main3965272.shtml

[Aecetia]

Patientlywaiting I am not a big McCain fan. However, I suggest you properly research the 100 year quote to see what he really said. I do not think anyone Libertarian, Republican or Democrat wants to spend 100 years there or in any other war.

Here is a link to the quote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/25/politics/politico/main3965272.shtml

[Enorah]

Who here actually believes the crap that comes out of their mouths? They are trying to get elected (as if that is the way it really works anymore anyways). They are all speaking their particular party speak. None of it is real.

[Enorah]

Who here actually believes the crap that comes out of their mouths? They are trying to get elected (as if that is the way it really works anymore anyways). They are all speaking their particular party speak. None of it is real.

[Enorah]

Who here actually believes the crap that comes out of their mouths? They are trying to get elected (as if that is the way it really works anymore anyways). They are all speaking their particular party speak. None of it is real.

[Enorah]

Who here actually believes the crap that comes out of their mouths? They are trying to get elected (as if that is the way it really works anymore anyways). They are all speaking their particular party speak. None of it is real.

[capeman]

Well, Dubya claimed he wouldn’t allow bailouts either but he signed the deal on BSC. These guys are politicians and they do what they have to for their party and the ones who line their pockets. I am already voting for McCain due to his tendancy to handout less but if push comes to shove he’ll change his mind to suit his political agenda.

[capeman]

Well, Dubya claimed he wouldn’t allow bailouts either but he signed the deal on BSC. These guys are politicians and they do what they have to for their party and the ones who line their pockets. I am already voting for McCain due to his tendancy to handout less but if push comes to shove he’ll change his mind to suit his political agenda.

[capeman]

Well, Dubya claimed he wouldn’t allow bailouts either but he signed the deal on BSC. These guys are politicians and they do what they have to for their party and the ones who line their pockets. I am already voting for McCain due to his tendancy to handout less but if push comes to shove he’ll change his mind to suit his political agenda.

[capeman]

Well, Dubya claimed he wouldn’t allow bailouts either but he signed the deal on BSC. These guys are politicians and they do what they have to for their party and the ones who line their pockets. I am already voting for McCain due to his tendancy to handout less but if push comes to shove he’ll change his mind to suit his political agenda.

[SHILOH]

“Did I hear Hilary correctly on NPR that she wants to set aside $50 billion to buy foreclosed homes for towns in distress that will then be converted to low income housing?

Yeah…didn’t you read about that in “It Takes A Project”?

In 2006, It Takes a Village was republished as the “10th Anniversary Edition” with a new cover design and an introduction by the author. Clinton did not shy away from its conclusions; during her own presidential campaign in 2007, she said “I still believe it takes a village to raise a child.” Wikipedia

[SHILOH]

“Did I hear Hilary correctly on NPR that she wants to set aside $50 billion to buy foreclosed homes for towns in distress that will then be converted to low income housing?

Yeah…didn’t you read about that in “It Takes A Project”?

In 2006, It Takes a Village was republished as the “10th Anniversary Edition” with a new cover design and an introduction by the author. Clinton did not shy away from its conclusions; during her own presidential campaign in 2007, she said “I still believe it takes a village to raise a child.” Wikipedia

[SHILOH]

“Did I hear Hilary correctly on NPR that she wants to set aside $50 billion to buy foreclosed homes for towns in distress that will then be converted to low income housing?

Yeah…didn’t you read about that in “It Takes A Project”?

In 2006, It Takes a Village was republished as the “10th Anniversary Edition” with a new cover design and an introduction by the author. Clinton did not shy away from its conclusions; during her own presidential campaign in 2007, she said “I still believe it takes a village to raise a child.” Wikipedia

[SHILOH]

“Did I hear Hilary correctly on NPR that she wants to set aside $50 billion to buy foreclosed homes for towns in distress that will then be converted to low income housing?

Yeah…didn’t you read about that in “It Takes A Project”?

In 2006, It Takes a Village was republished as the “10th Anniversary Edition” with a new cover design and an introduction by the author. Clinton did not shy away from its conclusions; during her own presidential campaign in 2007, she said “I still believe it takes a village to raise a child.” Wikipedia

[SHILOH]

“Did I hear Hilary correctly on NPR that she wants to set aside $50 billion to buy foreclosed homes for towns in distress that will then be converted to low income housing?

Yeah…didn’t you read about that in “It Takes A Project”?

In 2006, It Takes a Village was republished as the “10th Anniversary Edition” with a new cover design and an introduction by the author. Clinton did not shy away from its conclusions; during her own presidential campaign in 2007, she said “I still believe it takes a village to raise a child.” Wikipedia

[SHILOH]

It seems to me, like it or not, oil is linked to national security. Suppose our country used 9/11 or WMD as a reason or excuse to gain a foothold in the Middle East – There is supposedly a lot of oil there –and Americans are voracious consumers of natural resources—especially “cheap” oil needed to maintain our standard of living – for the time being.
It would be a fallacy to think that our government hasn’t acted in the interest of private profit or national security to acquire more oil. I agree with others that a permanent presence in the Middle East is the trend.

I war for oil makes people mad but it appears this is the way of the world.

[Casca]

Nostrodamus, since you asked, although to do the subject justice it would take a book. There is an oil component, but more directly our aim was to put the Iranians back in their box. They are the world sponsors of terror, and have been since Jimmy Carter pulled the rug out from under the Shah. Geopolitically, we couldn’t work against them from anywhere else. Saudi Arabia was and is problematic. If the Iranians ultimately gained control of Iraq, they’d have half the world’s oil supply. We couldn’t let that happen. With a democracy planted on their doorstep, that’s where they have to keep their eye, and that is why we’re in this for the long haul. Our venture in Iraq is the price of doing business, and staying in business. Bailing out homeowners, not so much.

[Casca]

Nostrodamus, since you asked, although to do the subject justice it would take a book. There is an oil component, but more directly our aim was to put the Iranians back in their box. They are the world sponsors of terror, and have been since Jimmy Carter pulled the rug out from under the Shah. Geopolitically, we couldn’t work against them from anywhere else. Saudi Arabia was and is problematic. If the Iranians ultimately gained control of Iraq, they’d have half the world’s oil supply. We couldn’t let that happen. With a democracy planted on their doorstep, that’s where they have to keep their eye, and that is why we’re in this for the long haul. Our venture in Iraq is the price of doing business, and staying in business. Bailing out homeowners, not so much.

[Casca]

Nostrodamus, since you asked, although to do the subject justice it would take a book. There is an oil component, but more directly our aim was to put the Iranians back in their box. They are the world sponsors of terror, and have been since Jimmy Carter pulled the rug out from under the Shah. Geopolitically, we couldn’t work against them from anywhere else. Saudi Arabia was and is problematic. If the Iranians ultimately gained control of Iraq, they’d have half the world’s oil supply. We couldn’t let that happen. With a democracy planted on their doorstep, that’s where they have to keep their eye, and that is why we’re in this for the long haul. Our venture in Iraq is the price of doing business, and staying in business. Bailing out homeowners, not so much.

[Casca]

Nostrodamus, since you asked, although to do the subject justice it would take a book. There is an oil component, but more directly our aim was to put the Iranians back in their box. They are the world sponsors of terror, and have been since Jimmy Carter pulled the rug out from under the Shah. Geopolitically, we couldn’t work against them from anywhere else. Saudi Arabia was and is problematic. If the Iranians ultimately gained control of Iraq, they’d have half the world’s oil supply. We couldn’t let that happen. With a democracy planted on their doorstep, that’s where they have to keep their eye, and that is why we’re in this for the long haul. Our venture in Iraq is the price of doing business, and staying in business. Bailing out homeowners, not so much.

[Casca]

Nostrodamus, since you asked, although to do the subject justice it would take a book. There is an oil component, but more directly our aim was to put the Iranians back in their box. They are the world sponsors of terror, and have been since Jimmy Carter pulled the rug out from under the Shah. Geopolitically, we couldn’t work against them from anywhere else. Saudi Arabia was and is problematic. If the Iranians ultimately gained control of Iraq, they’d have half the world’s oil supply. We couldn’t let that happen. With a democracy planted on their doorstep, that’s where they have to keep their eye, and that is why we’re in this for the long haul. Our venture in Iraq is the price of doing business, and staying in business. Bailing out homeowners, not so much.

[SHILOH]

It seems to me, like it or not, oil is linked to national security. Suppose our country used 9/11 or WMD as a reason or excuse to gain a foothold in the Middle East – There is supposedly a lot of oil there –and Americans are voracious consumers of natural resources—especially “cheap” oil needed to maintain our standard of living – for the time being.
It would be a fallacy to think that our government hasn’t acted in the interest of private profit or national security to acquire more oil. I agree with others that a permanent presence in the Middle East is the trend.

I war for oil makes people mad but it appears this is the way of the world.

[SHILOH]

It seems to me, like it or not, oil is linked to national security. Suppose our country used 9/11 or WMD as a reason or excuse to gain a foothold in the Middle East – There is supposedly a lot of oil there –and Americans are voracious consumers of natural resources—especially “cheap” oil needed to maintain our standard of living – for the time being.
It would be a fallacy to think that our government hasn’t acted in the interest of private profit or national security to acquire more oil. I agree with others that a permanent presence in the Middle East is the trend.

I war for oil makes people mad but it appears this is the way of the world.

[SHILOH]

It seems to me, like it or not, oil is linked to national security. Suppose our country used 9/11 or WMD as a reason or excuse to gain a foothold in the Middle East – There is supposedly a lot of oil there –and Americans are voracious consumers of natural resources—especially “cheap” oil needed to maintain our standard of living – for the time being.
It would be a fallacy to think that our government hasn’t acted in the interest of private profit or national security to acquire more oil. I agree with others that a permanent presence in the Middle East is the trend.

I war for oil makes people mad but it appears this is the way of the world.

[SHILOH]

It seems to me, like it or not, oil is linked to national security. Suppose our country used 9/11 or WMD as a reason or excuse to gain a foothold in the Middle East – There is supposedly a lot of oil there –and Americans are voracious consumers of natural resources—especially “cheap” oil needed to maintain our standard of living – for the time being.
It would be a fallacy to think that our government hasn’t acted in the interest of private profit or national security to acquire more oil. I agree with others that a permanent presence in the Middle East is the trend.

I war for oil makes people mad but it appears this is the way of the world.

[patientrenter]

I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the political tripe that gets debated on various blogs, but hearing McCain sound a note of caution, limits, and personal responsibility on the housing bubble problems was so refreshing and unusual that I have decided who would get my vote this year.

Patient renter in OC

[jpinpb]

I’m not in favor of a bailout of homeowners. That’s BS, unless they are going to give me now a zero down, no doc loan at a very low fixed rate.

That said, I do not approve of corporate welfare either. Basically helping Bear Stears was exactly that.

Not only am I on the fence about buying a house, I’m on the fence about the election. When she first said she was going to run, I thought about it. But then when she started talking about helping the homeowners by fixing their rate. But I heard the government can’t interfere w/contracts like that. I ended up voting for Obama. He wasn’t saying things like that back then.

Now I don’t know.

[patientlywaiting]

Bush’s War is now on Frontline.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/

Let’s not make it Mc Cain’s war.

[Casca]

I watched all three hours of that hitpiece. How anyone could watch and not notice that all the interviews were given by malcontents so that they might grind their axes is beyond reason. Armitage is Colin Powell’s bitch, and this is Powell & Co’s version of the history. It lacks veracity, but will be gobbled up by the weakminded.

[zk]

Casca,

Of course they’re all malcontents. Anybody with common sense who worked for incompetent fools like Bush and Cheney would be a malcontent.

I’d say anyone who prefers Bush and Cheney’s version of history to Powell and Co’s version of history is weak minded. Only a very few (percentage-wise) Americans still see Bush and Cheney as honest and competent. They are, like the weak-minded Bush, absolutely unable to admit that they are wrong. Their desire to see themselves as being in the right overwhelms the evidence that they see. So they continue to believe Bush and Cheney despite the fact that Bush and Cheney have been shown to be incompetent liars.

[zk]

Casca,

Of course they’re all malcontents. Anybody with common sense who worked for incompetent fools like Bush and Cheney would be a malcontent.

I’d say anyone who prefers Bush and Cheney’s version of history to Powell and Co’s version of history is weak minded. Only a very few (percentage-wise) Americans still see Bush and Cheney as honest and competent. They are, like the weak-minded Bush, absolutely unable to admit that they are wrong. Their desire to see themselves as being in the right overwhelms the evidence that they see. So they continue to believe Bush and Cheney despite the fact that Bush and Cheney have been shown to be incompetent liars.

[zk]

Casca,

Of course they’re all malcontents. Anybody with common sense who worked for incompetent fools like Bush and Cheney would be a malcontent.

I’d say anyone who prefers Bush and Cheney’s version of history to Powell and Co’s version of history is weak minded. Only a very few (percentage-wise) Americans still see Bush and Cheney as honest and competent. They are, like the weak-minded Bush, absolutely unable to admit that they are wrong. Their desire to see themselves as being in the right overwhelms the evidence that they see. So they continue to believe Bush and Cheney despite the fact that Bush and Cheney have been shown to be incompetent liars.

[zk]

Casca,

Of course they’re all malcontents. Anybody with common sense who worked for incompetent fools like Bush and Cheney would be a malcontent.

I’d say anyone who prefers Bush and Cheney’s version of history to Powell and Co’s version of history is weak minded. Only a very few (percentage-wise) Americans still see Bush and Cheney as honest and competent. They are, like the weak-minded Bush, absolutely unable to admit that they are wrong. Their desire to see themselves as being in the right overwhelms the evidence that they see. So they continue to believe Bush and Cheney despite the fact that Bush and Cheney have been shown to be incompetent liars.

[zk]

Casca,

Of course they’re all malcontents. Anybody with common sense who worked for incompetent fools like Bush and Cheney would be a malcontent.

I’d say anyone who prefers Bush and Cheney’s version of history to Powell and Co’s version of history is weak minded. Only a very few (percentage-wise) Americans still see Bush and Cheney as honest and competent. They are, like the weak-minded Bush, absolutely unable to admit that they are wrong. Their desire to see themselves as being in the right overwhelms the evidence that they see. So they continue to believe Bush and Cheney despite the fact that Bush and Cheney have been shown to be incompetent liars.

[Casca]

I watched all three hours of that hitpiece. How anyone could watch and not notice that all the interviews were given by malcontents so that they might grind their axes is beyond reason. Armitage is Colin Powell’s bitch, and this is Powell & Co’s version of the history. It lacks veracity, but will be gobbled up by the weakminded.

[Casca]

I watched all three hours of that hitpiece. How anyone could watch and not notice that all the interviews were given by malcontents so that they might grind their axes is beyond reason. Armitage is Colin Powell’s bitch, and this is Powell & Co’s version of the history. It lacks veracity, but will be gobbled up by the weakminded.

[Casca]

I watched all three hours of that hitpiece. How anyone could watch and not notice that all the interviews were given by malcontents so that they might grind their axes is beyond reason. Armitage is Colin Powell’s bitch, and this is Powell & Co’s version of the history. It lacks veracity, but will be gobbled up by the weakminded.

[Casca]

I watched all three hours of that hitpiece. How anyone could watch and not notice that all the interviews were given by malcontents so that they might grind their axes is beyond reason. Armitage is Colin Powell’s bitch, and this is Powell & Co’s version of the history. It lacks veracity, but will be gobbled up by the weakminded.

[patientlywaiting]

Bush’s War is now on Frontline.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/

Let’s not make it Mc Cain’s war.

[patientlywaiting]

Bush’s War is now on Frontline.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/

Let’s not make it Mc Cain’s war.

[patientlywaiting]

Bush’s War is now on Frontline.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/

Let’s not make it Mc Cain’s war.

[patientlywaiting]

Bush’s War is now on Frontline.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/

Let’s not make it Mc Cain’s war.

[jpinpb]

I’m not in favor of a bailout of homeowners. That’s BS, unless they are going to give me now a zero down, no doc loan at a very low fixed rate.

That said, I do not approve of corporate welfare either. Basically helping Bear Stears was exactly that.

Not only am I on the fence about buying a house, I’m on the fence about the election. When she first said she was going to run, I thought about it. But then when she started talking about helping the homeowners by fixing their rate. But I heard the government can’t interfere w/contracts like that. I ended up voting for Obama. He wasn’t saying things like that back then.

Now I don’t know.

[jpinpb]

I’m not in favor of a bailout of homeowners. That’s BS, unless they are going to give me now a zero down, no doc loan at a very low fixed rate.

That said, I do not approve of corporate welfare either. Basically helping Bear Stears was exactly that.

Not only am I on the fence about buying a house, I’m on the fence about the election. When she first said she was going to run, I thought about it. But then when she started talking about helping the homeowners by fixing their rate. But I heard the government can’t interfere w/contracts like that. I ended up voting for Obama. He wasn’t saying things like that back then.

Now I don’t know.

[jpinpb]

I’m not in favor of a bailout of homeowners. That’s BS, unless they are going to give me now a zero down, no doc loan at a very low fixed rate.

That said, I do not approve of corporate welfare either. Basically helping Bear Stears was exactly that.

Not only am I on the fence about buying a house, I’m on the fence about the election. When she first said she was going to run, I thought about it. But then when she started talking about helping the homeowners by fixing their rate. But I heard the government can’t interfere w/contracts like that. I ended up voting for Obama. He wasn’t saying things like that back then.

Now I don’t know.

[jpinpb]

I’m not in favor of a bailout of homeowners. That’s BS, unless they are going to give me now a zero down, no doc loan at a very low fixed rate.

That said, I do not approve of corporate welfare either. Basically helping Bear Stears was exactly that.

Not only am I on the fence about buying a house, I’m on the fence about the election. When she first said she was going to run, I thought about it. But then when she started talking about helping the homeowners by fixing their rate. But I heard the government can’t interfere w/contracts like that. I ended up voting for Obama. He wasn’t saying things like that back then.

Now I don’t know.

[ltokuda]

The CEO of BSC just sold all of his stock for $61 million. He can thank the US tax payer for bailing him out … otherwise, his stock would have been worth zero. Its good to see that our hard earned money is going to help the needy.

[jpinpb]

That burns me. This is a good reason why it’s hard for me to vote Rep. Always bailing out those poor corporations.

At the same time, I don’t want to help losers who are not working looking for government bailouts (or scam investors for that matter).

I was thinking a happy medium is allow people to write off their education. Helps people help themselves. Get training, get a job, get off your a$$ and work. As an incentive, you pay for your education and you can write it off, or maybe part of it. Seems like a win-win. Get the dregs off the government’s charity. Helps society generally. Less tax dollars, though. Or maybe alternatively giving companies some kind of tax break for training U.S. workers.

Anyway, I am sick of reading my tax dollars going to help people or corporations. I need the help myself, damn it!

[Ash Housewares]

Ditto what zk said. Anyone who looks at the record will conclude the Bush foreign policy is a disaster. People like Casca argue that the war is part of a larger struggle in the middle east involving Iran, etc, and they use scare tactics to make their points. But they never seem to mention that the reason the war was started, if we our to believe Bush, was over Iraq’s WMD program. Since that didn’t pan out they are just grasping at straws for another justification to make it look like some brilliant well thought out plan, like countering Iran was the idea all along. It’s revisionist history at best.

[Anonymous]

There will be a government bailout of homeowners regardless of who is elected. The reality is that 68% of households are homeowners. Anyone who owns a home is going to want a bailout so that their primary asset doesn’t lose its value. The politicians know this. Unfortunately, those of use who don’t own are in the minority and our tax dollars are going to pay for the bailout of the a-holes.

[socrattt]

I think the scariest thing about this country is the fact that we can’t obtain a certain level no matter how hard we try, unless corruption is involved. I feel like a peasant at times in America and yet my paychecks run well into the 6 figures. I invest my retirement into stocks that seem to have potential and yet someone at the top decides he wants more so I get less.

This country is spinning its’ wheel in the wrong direction. Clinton, Obama and McCain are all wrong for this country. Power and greed are tearing this country apart and unfortunately nothing is going to stop this country from ultimately destroying itself. It doesn’t make a difference who becomes our next President because we are currently in a mess that truly can’t be fixed. This country is definitely headed into a depression and a well deserved one. GREED KILLS!!!

[bob007]

McCain’s remark on the housing crisis was right out of the piggington board. It is refreshing to hear a prominent politician come out swinging.

McCain is a man of honor. He served his country with distinction in Vietnam. I disagree with him on Iraq. I am willing to defer to him given his past service to the country. That is something I would never give Bush.

He has bucked the party line on campaign finance (I agree with him) and immigration (where I disagree). I hope he has an independent mind when he governs as a President.

I say “Vote for McCain”

[raptorduck]

Interesting dialog. Ok, for the record, I was a Guliani supporter and gave generously to his campaign. But now that he is out, McCain has my full support.

If Hilary wins, I am moving to overseas.

[larrylujack]

McCain = More of the same
Neocon Bush/Cheney foreign policy. If your in favor of continued neocon foreign policy, well, McCain’s your man.
Personally, I like the majority of other Americans have had enough of the wasted lives and squandered billions in Iraq.
Consequently, to consider a short tempered war lover as commander in chief that promises to give us more of the same, particularly in view of what an abject failure neocon foreign policy has been for the past 8 years, is sheer folly.

LL

[ltokuda]

Unfortunately, McCain has already endorsed a massive bailout for the irresponsible. He endorsed the $30 billion dollar bail out of BSC and the $200 billion bail out of the big investment banks. No matter which candidate you vote for, you’re going to be bailing out some group of speculators.

Do you want to bail out guys like the CEO of BSC, who sold all his shares yesterday for $61 million dollars when they should have been worth zero? Or do you want to bail out homeowners who bet on prices going up forever? Pick your charity.

[ltokuda]

Unfortunately, McCain has already endorsed a massive bailout for the irresponsible. He endorsed the $30 billion dollar bail out of BSC and the $200 billion bail out of the big investment banks. No matter which candidate you vote for, you’re going to be bailing out some group of speculators.

Do you want to bail out guys like the CEO of BSC, who sold all his shares yesterday for $61 million dollars when they should have been worth zero? Or do you want to bail out homeowners who bet on prices going up forever? Pick your charity.

[ltokuda]

Unfortunately, McCain has already endorsed a massive bailout for the irresponsible. He endorsed the $30 billion dollar bail out of BSC and the $200 billion bail out of the big investment banks. No matter which candidate you vote for, you’re going to be bailing out some group of speculators.

Do you want to bail out guys like the CEO of BSC, who sold all his shares yesterday for $61 million dollars when they should have been worth zero? Or do you want to bail out homeowners who bet on prices going up forever? Pick your charity.

[ltokuda]

Unfortunately, McCain has already endorsed a massive bailout for the irresponsible. He endorsed the $30 billion dollar bail out of BSC and the $200 billion bail out of the big investment banks. No matter which candidate you vote for, you’re going to be bailing out some group of speculators.

Do you want to bail out guys like the CEO of BSC, who sold all his shares yesterday for $61 million dollars when they should have been worth zero? Or do you want to bail out homeowners who bet on prices going up forever? Pick your charity.

[ltokuda]

Unfortunately, McCain has already endorsed a massive bailout for the irresponsible. He endorsed the $30 billion dollar bail out of BSC and the $200 billion bail out of the big investment banks. No matter which candidate you vote for, you’re going to be bailing out some group of speculators.

Do you want to bail out guys like the CEO of BSC, who sold all his shares yesterday for $61 million dollars when they should have been worth zero? Or do you want to bail out homeowners who bet on prices going up forever? Pick your charity.

[Dukehorn]

Some of the revisionist history here is truly amazing. I guess you have long term memory amnesia and just store up what FoxNews says the last few weeks.

Certain people must have just blocked out all the interviews given by Cheney in 2003.

“We will be welcomed as liberators.”
“We will not be in Iraq for any significant period of time.”
“Iraq has WMDs.”

Some of you forgot that Rumself vetoed the commanders that said that post-War Iraq would require more troops than the administration was going to send.

Did you forget that the “Surge” happened in 2007? 4 years after the recommendation made by our military, which was initially vetoed by this administration.

If there are malcontents, it’s because they’re astonished in how things have gone to @#[email protected] since 2001 when we (a) had a good economy and (b) had allies all over the world.

For a bunch of guys that never served in combat, they’ve done a pretty good job of getting our military bogged down and of not listening to guys who have served.

All that being said, I’m not willing to withdraw from Iraq at this juncture due to my foreign policy beliefs (I’m a pragmatic militarist) so there is a chance that I will support McCain. But to pretend that Bush and Cheney need to get plaudits for the sad state of our country is amazing.

[Dukehorn]

Some of the revisionist history here is truly amazing. I guess you have long term memory amnesia and just store up what FoxNews says the last few weeks.

Certain people must have just blocked out all the interviews given by Cheney in 2003.

“We will be welcomed as liberators.”
“We will not be in Iraq for any significant period of time.”
“Iraq has WMDs.”

Some of you forgot that Rumself vetoed the commanders that said that post-War Iraq would require more troops than the administration was going to send.

Did you forget that the “Surge” happened in 2007? 4 years after the recommendation made by our military, which was initially vetoed by this administration.

If there are malcontents, it’s because they’re astonished in how things have gone to @#[email protected] since 2001 when we (a) had a good economy and (b) had allies all over the world.

For a bunch of guys that never served in combat, they’ve done a pretty good job of getting our military bogged down and of not listening to guys who have served.

All that being said, I’m not willing to withdraw from Iraq at this juncture due to my foreign policy beliefs (I’m a pragmatic militarist) so there is a chance that I will support McCain. But to pretend that Bush and Cheney need to get plaudits for the sad state of our country is amazing.

[Dukehorn]

Some of the revisionist history here is truly amazing. I guess you have long term memory amnesia and just store up what FoxNews says the last few weeks.

Certain people must have just blocked out all the interviews given by Cheney in 2003.

“We will be welcomed as liberators.”
“We will not be in Iraq for any significant period of time.”
“Iraq has WMDs.”

Some of you forgot that Rumself vetoed the commanders that said that post-War Iraq would require more troops than the administration was going to send.

Did you forget that the “Surge” happened in 2007? 4 years after the recommendation made by our military, which was initially vetoed by this administration.

If there are malcontents, it’s because they’re astonished in how things have gone to @#[email protected] since 2001 when we (a) had a good economy and (b) had allies all over the world.

For a bunch of guys that never served in combat, they’ve done a pretty good job of getting our military bogged down and of not listening to guys who have served.

All that being said, I’m not willing to withdraw from Iraq at this juncture due to my foreign policy beliefs (I’m a pragmatic militarist) so there is a chance that I will support McCain. But to pretend that Bush and Cheney need to get plaudits for the sad state of our country is amazing.

[Dukehorn]

Some of the revisionist history here is truly amazing. I guess you have long term memory amnesia and just store up what FoxNews says the last few weeks.

Certain people must have just blocked out all the interviews given by Cheney in 2003.

“We will be welcomed as liberators.”
“We will not be in Iraq for any significant period of time.”
“Iraq has WMDs.”

Some of you forgot that Rumself vetoed the commanders that said that post-War Iraq would require more troops than the administration was going to send.

Did you forget that the “Surge” happened in 2007? 4 years after the recommendation made by our military, which was initially vetoed by this administration.

If there are malcontents, it’s because they’re astonished in how things have gone to @#[email protected] since 2001 when we (a) had a good economy and (b) had allies all over the world.

For a bunch of guys that never served in combat, they’ve done a pretty good job of getting our military bogged down and of not listening to guys who have served.

All that being said, I’m not willing to withdraw from Iraq at this juncture due to my foreign policy beliefs (I’m a pragmatic militarist) so there is a chance that I will support McCain. But to pretend that Bush and Cheney need to get plaudits for the sad state of our country is amazing.

[Dukehorn]

Some of the revisionist history here is truly amazing. I guess you have long term memory amnesia and just store up what FoxNews says the last few weeks.

Certain people must have just blocked out all the interviews given by Cheney in 2003.

“We will be welcomed as liberators.”
“We will not be in Iraq for any significant period of time.”
“Iraq has WMDs.”

Some of you forgot that Rumself vetoed the commanders that said that post-War Iraq would require more troops than the administration was going to send.

Did you forget that the “Surge” happened in 2007? 4 years after the recommendation made by our military, which was initially vetoed by this administration.

If there are malcontents, it’s because they’re astonished in how things have gone to @#[email protected] since 2001 when we (a) had a good economy and (b) had allies all over the world.

For a bunch of guys that never served in combat, they’ve done a pretty good job of getting our military bogged down and of not listening to guys who have served.

All that being said, I’m not willing to withdraw from Iraq at this juncture due to my foreign policy beliefs (I’m a pragmatic militarist) so there is a chance that I will support McCain. But to pretend that Bush and Cheney need to get plaudits for the sad state of our country is amazing.

[bob007]

Ignoring his rhetoric I expect McCain to pullout the US troops from Iraq. He is a soldier. He will seek a honorable way out.

[blahblahblah]

However, I want a democratic president in the white house becuause unlike Republicans, they care for the common, working-class man.

Man I wish that were still true. Maybe in the days of FDR and JFK but I don’t think so anymore. President Bubba gave China permanent favored-nation trading status to keep his Arkansas Wal-Mart buddies happy, so now we don’t make anything here anymore and instead buy all of our goods from a communist hellhole that uses slave labor to keep costs down. And good old President Bubba dropped the NAFTA atomic bomb on Mexican agribusiness, forcing tens of millions of poor farmworkers north in search of food. As an added bonus to make them even more miserable he extended the border fence 700 miles inland to make their trek northward horrifically dangerous. These two acts damaged America (and Mexico) as much as anything Bush has done to our economy while simultaneously strengthening China. Most of us in the middle class thought everything was great during the Clinton years because our tech stock portfolios looked fantastic, but in actuality it just took a few years before the real damage from his policies would be felt.

In Bubba’s defense I will say that his wars were smaller and killed fewer people, but only by a little. His nonstop 8-year bombing of Iraq and the continuation of Gulf War sanctions killed hundreds of thousands.

We are so screwed. I don’t care who we vote for, there is going to be more war, more debt, more bailouts for rich bankers, and more misery for the common American. Obama might be the only one that would do anything different but who knows. God help us.

[blahblahblah]

However, I want a democratic president in the white house becuause unlike Republicans, they care for the common, working-class man.

Man I wish that were still true. Maybe in the days of FDR and JFK but I don’t think so anymore. President Bubba gave China permanent favored-nation trading status to keep his Arkansas Wal-Mart buddies happy, so now we don’t make anything here anymore and instead buy all of our goods from a communist hellhole that uses slave labor to keep costs down. And good old President Bubba dropped the NAFTA atomic bomb on Mexican agribusiness, forcing tens of millions of poor farmworkers north in search of food. As an added bonus to make them even more miserable he extended the border fence 700 miles inland to make their trek northward horrifically dangerous. These two acts damaged America (and Mexico) as much as anything Bush has done to our economy while simultaneously strengthening China. Most of us in the middle class thought everything was great during the Clinton years because our tech stock portfolios looked fantastic, but in actuality it just took a few years before the real damage from his policies would be felt.

In Bubba’s defense I will say that his wars were smaller and killed fewer people, but only by a little. His nonstop 8-year bombing of Iraq and the continuation of Gulf War sanctions killed hundreds of thousands.

We are so screwed. I don’t care who we vote for, there is going to be more war, more debt, more bailouts for rich bankers, and more misery for the common American. Obama might be the only one that would do anything different but who knows. God help us.

[blahblahblah]

However, I want a democratic president in the white house becuause unlike Republicans, they care for the common, working-class man.

Man I wish that were still true. Maybe in the days of FDR and JFK but I don’t think so anymore. President Bubba gave China permanent favored-nation trading status to keep his Arkansas Wal-Mart buddies happy, so now we don’t make anything here anymore and instead buy all of our goods from a communist hellhole that uses slave labor to keep costs down. And good old President Bubba dropped the NAFTA atomic bomb on Mexican agribusiness, forcing tens of millions of poor farmworkers north in search of food. As an added bonus to make them even more miserable he extended the border fence 700 miles inland to make their trek northward horrifically dangerous. These two acts damaged America (and Mexico) as much as anything Bush has done to our economy while simultaneously strengthening China. Most of us in the middle class thought everything was great during the Clinton years because our tech stock portfolios looked fantastic, but in actuality it just took a few years before the real damage from his policies would be felt.

In Bubba’s defense I will say that his wars were smaller and killed fewer people, but only by a little. His nonstop 8-year bombing of Iraq and the continuation of Gulf War sanctions killed hundreds of thousands.

We are so screwed. I don’t care who we vote for, there is going to be more war, more debt, more bailouts for rich bankers, and more misery for the common American. Obama might be the only one that would do anything different but who knows. God help us.

[blahblahblah]

However, I want a democratic president in the white house becuause unlike Republicans, they care for the common, working-class man.

Man I wish that were still true. Maybe in the days of FDR and JFK but I don’t think so anymore. President Bubba gave China permanent favored-nation trading status to keep his Arkansas Wal-Mart buddies happy, so now we don’t make anything here anymore and instead buy all of our goods from a communist hellhole that uses slave labor to keep costs down. And good old President Bubba dropped the NAFTA atomic bomb on Mexican agribusiness, forcing tens of millions of poor farmworkers north in search of food. As an added bonus to make them even more miserable he extended the border fence 700 miles inland to make their trek northward horrifically dangerous. These two acts damaged America (and Mexico) as much as anything Bush has done to our economy while simultaneously strengthening China. Most of us in the middle class thought everything was great during the Clinton years because our tech stock portfolios looked fantastic, but in actuality it just took a few years before the real damage from his policies would be felt.

In Bubba’s defense I will say that his wars were smaller and killed fewer people, but only by a little. His nonstop 8-year bombing of Iraq and the continuation of Gulf War sanctions killed hundreds of thousands.

We are so screwed. I don’t care who we vote for, there is going to be more war, more debt, more bailouts for rich bankers, and more misery for the common American. Obama might be the only one that would do anything different but who knows. God help us.

[blahblahblah]

However, I want a democratic president in the white house becuause unlike Republicans, they care for the common, working-class man.

Man I wish that were still true. Maybe in the days of FDR and JFK but I don’t think so anymore. President Bubba gave China permanent favored-nation trading status to keep his Arkansas Wal-Mart buddies happy, so now we don’t make anything here anymore and instead buy all of our goods from a communist hellhole that uses slave labor to keep costs down. And good old President Bubba dropped the NAFTA atomic bomb on Mexican agribusiness, forcing tens of millions of poor farmworkers north in search of food. As an added bonus to make them even more miserable he extended the border fence 700 miles inland to make their trek northward horrifically dangerous. These two acts damaged America (and Mexico) as much as anything Bush has done to our economy while simultaneously strengthening China. Most of us in the middle class thought everything was great during the Clinton years because our tech stock portfolios looked fantastic, but in actuality it just took a few years before the real damage from his policies would be felt.

In Bubba’s defense I will say that his wars were smaller and killed fewer people, but only by a little. His nonstop 8-year bombing of Iraq and the continuation of Gulf War sanctions killed hundreds of thousands.

We are so screwed. I don’t care who we vote for, there is going to be more war, more debt, more bailouts for rich bankers, and more misery for the common American. Obama might be the only one that would do anything different but who knows. God help us.

[blahblahblah]

However, I want a democratic president in the white house becuause unlike Republicans, they care for the common, working-class man.

Man I wish that were still true. Maybe in the days of FDR and JFK but I don’t think so anymore. President Bubba gave China permanent favored-nation trading status to keep his Arkansas Wal-Mart buddies happy, so now we don’t make anything here anymore and instead buy all of our goods from a communist hellhole that uses slave labor to keep costs down. And good old President Bubba dropped the NAFTA atomic bomb on Mexican agribusiness, forcing tens of millions of poor farmworkers north in search of food. As an added bonus to make them even more miserable he extended the border fence 700 miles inland to make their trek northward horrifically dangerous. These two acts damaged America (and Mexico) as much as anything Bush has done to our economy while simultaneously strengthening China. Most of us in the middle class thought everything was great during the Clinton years because our tech stock portfolios looked fantastic, but in actuality it just took a few years before the real damage from his policies would be felt.

In Bubba’s defense I will say that his wars were smaller and killed fewer people, but only by a little. His nonstop 8-year bombing of Iraq and the continuation of Gulf War sanctions killed hundreds of thousands.

We are so screwed. I don’t care who we vote for, there is going to be more war, more debt, more bailouts for rich bankers, and more misery for the common American. Obama might be the only one that would do anything different but who knows. God help us.

[blahblahblah]

However, I want a democratic president in the white house becuause unlike Republicans, they care for the common, working-class man.

Man I wish that were still true. Maybe in the days of FDR and JFK but I don’t think so anymore. President Bubba gave China permanent favored-nation trading status to keep his Arkansas Wal-Mart buddies happy, so now we don’t make anything here anymore and instead buy all of our goods from a communist hellhole that uses slave labor to keep costs down. And good old President Bubba dropped the NAFTA atomic bomb on Mexican agribusiness, forcing tens of millions of poor farmworkers north in search of food. As an added bonus to make them even more miserable he extended the border fence 700 miles inland to make their trek northward horrifically dangerous. These two acts damaged America (and Mexico) as much as anything Bush has done to our economy while simultaneously strengthening China. Most of us in the middle class thought everything was great during the Clinton years because our tech stock portfolios looked fantastic, but in actuality it just took a few years before the real damage from his policies would be felt.

In Bubba’s defense I will say that his wars were smaller and killed fewer people, but only by a little. His nonstop 8-year bombing of Iraq and the continuation of Gulf War sanctions killed hundreds of thousands.

We are so screwed. I don’t care who we vote for, there is going to be more war, more debt, more bailouts for rich bankers, and more misery for the common American. Obama might be the only one that would do anything different but who knows. God help us.

[bob007]

Ignoring his rhetoric I expect McCain to pullout the US troops from Iraq. He is a soldier. He will seek a honorable way out.

[bob007]

Ignoring his rhetoric I expect McCain to pullout the US troops from Iraq. He is a soldier. He will seek a honorable way out.

[bob007]

Ignoring his rhetoric I expect McCain to pullout the US troops from Iraq. He is a soldier. He will seek a honorable way out.

[bob007]

Ignoring his rhetoric I expect McCain to pullout the US troops from Iraq. He is a soldier. He will seek a honorable way out.

[bob007]

Ignoring his rhetoric I expect McCain to pullout the US troops from Iraq. He is a soldier. He will seek a honorable way out.

[bob007]

Ignoring his rhetoric I expect McCain to pullout the US troops from Iraq. He is a soldier. He will seek a honorable way out.

[svelte]

to consider a short tempered war lover as commander in chief…is sheer folly.

I had never thought of it that way – I love this statement. I’m going to borrow that phrase!

[patientlywaiting]

Is anyone surprised by this?

McCain Shifts on Aid to Some Mortgage Holders

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By MICHAEL COOPER
Published: April 11, 2008

Senator John McCain, who drew criticism last month after he warned against broad government intervention to solve the deepening mortgage crisis, pivoted Thursday and called for the federal government to aid some homeowners in danger of losing their homes, by helping them to refinance and get federally guaranteed 30-year mortgages.

[Arraya]

No, because the banks call the shots, politicians are just puppets. I’m sure these proposals were written by investment bank higher ups that in some way defraud the tax payers out of money while lining someone’s pocket and not really helping anybody.

[Arraya]

No, because the banks call the shots, politicians are just puppets. I’m sure these proposals were written by investment bank higher ups that in some way defraud the tax payers out of money while lining someone’s pocket and not really helping anybody.

[Arraya]

No, because the banks call the shots, politicians are just puppets. I’m sure these proposals were written by investment bank higher ups that in some way defraud the tax payers out of money while lining someone’s pocket and not really helping anybody.

[Arraya]

No, because the banks call the shots, politicians are just puppets. I’m sure these proposals were written by investment bank higher ups that in some way defraud the tax payers out of money while lining someone’s pocket and not really helping anybody.

[Arraya]

No, because the banks call the shots, politicians are just puppets. I’m sure these proposals were written by investment bank higher ups that in some way defraud the tax payers out of money while lining someone’s pocket and not really helping anybody.

[patientlywaiting]

Is anyone surprised by this?

McCain Shifts on Aid to Some Mortgage Holders

Article Tools Sponsored By
By MICHAEL COOPER
Published: April 11, 2008

Senator John McCain, who drew criticism last month after he warned against broad government intervention to solve the deepening mortgage crisis, pivoted Thursday and called for the federal government to aid some homeowners in danger of losing their homes, by helping them to refinance and get federally guaranteed 30-year mortgages.

[patientlywaiting]

Is anyone surprised by this?

McCain Shifts on Aid to Some Mortgage Holders

Article Tools Sponsored By
By MICHAEL COOPER
Published: April 11, 2008

Senator John McCain, who drew criticism last month after he warned against broad government intervention to solve the deepening mortgage crisis, pivoted Thursday and called for the federal government to aid some homeowners in danger of losing their homes, by helping them to refinance and get federally guaranteed 30-year mortgages.

[patientlywaiting]

Is anyone surprised by this?

McCain Shifts on Aid to Some Mortgage Holders

Article Tools Sponsored By
By MICHAEL COOPER
Published: April 11, 2008

Senator John McCain, who drew criticism last month after he warned against broad government intervention to solve the deepening mortgage crisis, pivoted Thursday and called for the federal government to aid some homeowners in danger of losing their homes, by helping them to refinance and get federally guaranteed 30-year mortgages.

[patientlywaiting]

Is anyone surprised by this?

McCain Shifts on Aid to Some Mortgage Holders

Article Tools Sponsored By
By MICHAEL COOPER
Published: April 11, 2008

Senator John McCain, who drew criticism last month after he warned against broad government intervention to solve the deepening mortgage crisis, pivoted Thursday and called for the federal government to aid some homeowners in danger of losing their homes, by helping them to refinance and get federally guaranteed 30-year mortgages.

[svelte]

to consider a short tempered war lover as commander in chief…is sheer folly.

I had never thought of it that way – I love this statement. I’m going to borrow that phrase!

[svelte]

to consider a short tempered war lover as commander in chief…is sheer folly.

I had never thought of it that way – I love this statement. I’m going to borrow that phrase!

[svelte]

to consider a short tempered war lover as commander in chief…is sheer folly.

I had never thought of it that way – I love this statement. I’m going to borrow that phrase!

[svelte]

to consider a short tempered war lover as commander in chief…is sheer folly.

I had never thought of it that way – I love this statement. I’m going to borrow that phrase!

[larrylujack]

McCain = More of the same
Neocon Bush/Cheney foreign policy. If your in favor of continued neocon foreign policy, well, McCain’s your man.
Personally, I like the majority of other Americans have had enough of the wasted lives and squandered billions in Iraq.
Consequently, to consider a short tempered war lover as commander in chief that promises to give us more of the same, particularly in view of what an abject failure neocon foreign policy has been for the past 8 years, is sheer folly.

LL

[larrylujack]

McCain = More of the same
Neocon Bush/Cheney foreign policy. If your in favor of continued neocon foreign policy, well, McCain’s your man.
Personally, I like the majority of other Americans have had enough of the wasted lives and squandered billions in Iraq.
Consequently, to consider a short tempered war lover as commander in chief that promises to give us more of the same, particularly in view of what an abject failure neocon foreign policy has been for the past 8 years, is sheer folly.

LL

[larrylujack]

McCain = More of the same
Neocon Bush/Cheney foreign policy. If your in favor of continued neocon foreign policy, well, McCain’s your man.
Personally, I like the majority of other Americans have had enough of the wasted lives and squandered billions in Iraq.
Consequently, to consider a short tempered war lover as commander in chief that promises to give us more of the same, particularly in view of what an abject failure neocon foreign policy has been for the past 8 years, is sheer folly.

LL

[larrylujack]

McCain = More of the same
Neocon Bush/Cheney foreign policy. If your in favor of continued neocon foreign policy, well, McCain’s your man.
Personally, I like the majority of other Americans have had enough of the wasted lives and squandered billions in Iraq.
Consequently, to consider a short tempered war lover as commander in chief that promises to give us more of the same, particularly in view of what an abject failure neocon foreign policy has been for the past 8 years, is sheer folly.

LL

[raptorduck]

Interesting dialog. Ok, for the record, I was a Guliani supporter and gave generously to his campaign. But now that he is out, McCain has my full support.

If Hilary wins, I am moving to overseas.

[raptorduck]

Interesting dialog. Ok, for the record, I was a Guliani supporter and gave generously to his campaign. But now that he is out, McCain has my full support.

If Hilary wins, I am moving to overseas.

[raptorduck]

Interesting dialog. Ok, for the record, I was a Guliani supporter and gave generously to his campaign. But now that he is out, McCain has my full support.

If Hilary wins, I am moving to overseas.

[raptorduck]

Interesting dialog. Ok, for the record, I was a Guliani supporter and gave generously to his campaign. But now that he is out, McCain has my full support.

If Hilary wins, I am moving to overseas.

[bob007]

McCain’s remark on the housing crisis was right out of the piggington board. It is refreshing to hear a prominent politician come out swinging.

McCain is a man of honor. He served his country with distinction in Vietnam. I disagree with him on Iraq. I am willing to defer to him given his past service to the country. That is something I would never give Bush.

He has bucked the party line on campaign finance (I agree with him) and immigration (where I disagree). I hope he has an independent mind when he governs as a President.

I say “Vote for McCain”

[bob007]

McCain’s remark on the housing crisis was right out of the piggington board. It is refreshing to hear a prominent politician come out swinging.

McCain is a man of honor. He served his country with distinction in Vietnam. I disagree with him on Iraq. I am willing to defer to him given his past service to the country. That is something I would never give Bush.

He has bucked the party line on campaign finance (I agree with him) and immigration (where I disagree). I hope he has an independent mind when he governs as a President.

I say “Vote for McCain”

[bob007]

McCain’s remark on the housing crisis was right out of the piggington board. It is refreshing to hear a prominent politician come out swinging.

McCain is a man of honor. He served his country with distinction in Vietnam. I disagree with him on Iraq. I am willing to defer to him given his past service to the country. That is something I would never give Bush.

He has bucked the party line on campaign finance (I agree with him) and immigration (where I disagree). I hope he has an independent mind when he governs as a President.

I say “Vote for McCain”

[bob007]

McCain’s remark on the housing crisis was right out of the piggington board. It is refreshing to hear a prominent politician come out swinging.

McCain is a man of honor. He served his country with distinction in Vietnam. I disagree with him on Iraq. I am willing to defer to him given his past service to the country. That is something I would never give Bush.

He has bucked the party line on campaign finance (I agree with him) and immigration (where I disagree). I hope he has an independent mind when he governs as a President.

I say “Vote for McCain”

[socrattt]

I think the scariest thing about this country is the fact that we can’t obtain a certain level no matter how hard we try, unless corruption is involved. I feel like a peasant at times in America and yet my paychecks run well into the 6 figures. I invest my retirement into stocks that seem to have potential and yet someone at the top decides he wants more so I get less.

This country is spinning its’ wheel in the wrong direction. Clinton, Obama and McCain are all wrong for this country. Power and greed are tearing this country apart and unfortunately nothing is going to stop this country from ultimately destroying itself. It doesn’t make a difference who becomes our next President because we are currently in a mess that truly can’t be fixed. This country is definitely headed into a depression and a well deserved one. GREED KILLS!!!

[socrattt]

I think the scariest thing about this country is the fact that we can’t obtain a certain level no matter how hard we try, unless corruption is involved. I feel like a peasant at times in America and yet my paychecks run well into the 6 figures. I invest my retirement into stocks that seem to have potential and yet someone at the top decides he wants more so I get less.

This country is spinning its’ wheel in the wrong direction. Clinton, Obama and McCain are all wrong for this country. Power and greed are tearing this country apart and unfortunately nothing is going to stop this country from ultimately destroying itself. It doesn’t make a difference who becomes our next President because we are currently in a mess that truly can’t be fixed. This country is definitely headed into a depression and a well deserved one. GREED KILLS!!!

[socrattt]

I think the scariest thing about this country is the fact that we can’t obtain a certain level no matter how hard we try, unless corruption is involved. I feel like a peasant at times in America and yet my paychecks run well into the 6 figures. I invest my retirement into stocks that seem to have potential and yet someone at the top decides he wants more so I get less.

This country is spinning its’ wheel in the wrong direction. Clinton, Obama and McCain are all wrong for this country. Power and greed are tearing this country apart and unfortunately nothing is going to stop this country from ultimately destroying itself. It doesn’t make a difference who becomes our next President because we are currently in a mess that truly can’t be fixed. This country is definitely headed into a depression and a well deserved one. GREED KILLS!!!

[socrattt]

I think the scariest thing about this country is the fact that we can’t obtain a certain level no matter how hard we try, unless corruption is involved. I feel like a peasant at times in America and yet my paychecks run well into the 6 figures. I invest my retirement into stocks that seem to have potential and yet someone at the top decides he wants more so I get less.

This country is spinning its’ wheel in the wrong direction. Clinton, Obama and McCain are all wrong for this country. Power and greed are tearing this country apart and unfortunately nothing is going to stop this country from ultimately destroying itself. It doesn’t make a difference who becomes our next President because we are currently in a mess that truly can’t be fixed. This country is definitely headed into a depression and a well deserved one. GREED KILLS!!!

[Anonymous]

There will be a government bailout of homeowners regardless of who is elected. The reality is that 68% of households are homeowners. Anyone who owns a home is going to want a bailout so that their primary asset doesn’t lose its value. The politicians know this. Unfortunately, those of use who don’t own are in the minority and our tax dollars are going to pay for the bailout of the a-holes.

[Anonymous]

There will be a government bailout of homeowners regardless of who is elected. The reality is that 68% of households are homeowners. Anyone who owns a home is going to want a bailout so that their primary asset doesn’t lose its value. The politicians know this. Unfortunately, those of use who don’t own are in the minority and our tax dollars are going to pay for the bailout of the a-holes.

[Anonymous]

There will be a government bailout of homeowners regardless of who is elected. The reality is that 68% of households are homeowners. Anyone who owns a home is going to want a bailout so that their primary asset doesn’t lose its value. The politicians know this. Unfortunately, those of use who don’t own are in the minority and our tax dollars are going to pay for the bailout of the a-holes.

[Anonymous]

There will be a government bailout of homeowners regardless of who is elected. The reality is that 68% of households are homeowners. Anyone who owns a home is going to want a bailout so that their primary asset doesn’t lose its value. The politicians know this. Unfortunately, those of use who don’t own are in the minority and our tax dollars are going to pay for the bailout of the a-holes.

[Ash Housewares]

Ditto what zk said. Anyone who looks at the record will conclude the Bush foreign policy is a disaster. People like Casca argue that the war is part of a larger struggle in the middle east involving Iran, etc, and they use scare tactics to make their points. But they never seem to mention that the reason the war was started, if we our to believe Bush, was over Iraq’s WMD program. Since that didn’t pan out they are just grasping at straws for another justification to make it look like some brilliant well thought out plan, like countering Iran was the idea all along. It’s revisionist history at best.

[Ash Housewares]

Ditto what zk said. Anyone who looks at the record will conclude the Bush foreign policy is a disaster. People like Casca argue that the war is part of a larger struggle in the middle east involving Iran, etc, and they use scare tactics to make their points. But they never seem to mention that the reason the war was started, if we our to believe Bush, was over Iraq’s WMD program. Since that didn’t pan out they are just grasping at straws for another justification to make it look like some brilliant well thought out plan, like countering Iran was the idea all along. It’s revisionist history at best.

[Ash Housewares]

Ditto what zk said. Anyone who looks at the record will conclude the Bush foreign policy is a disaster. People like Casca argue that the war is part of a larger struggle in the middle east involving Iran, etc, and they use scare tactics to make their points. But they never seem to mention that the reason the war was started, if we our to believe Bush, was over Iraq’s WMD program. Since that didn’t pan out they are just grasping at straws for another justification to make it look like some brilliant well thought out plan, like countering Iran was the idea all along. It’s revisionist history at best.

[Ash Housewares]

Ditto what zk said. Anyone who looks at the record will conclude the Bush foreign policy is a disaster. People like Casca argue that the war is part of a larger struggle in the middle east involving Iran, etc, and they use scare tactics to make their points. But they never seem to mention that the reason the war was started, if we our to believe Bush, was over Iraq’s WMD program. Since that didn’t pan out they are just grasping at straws for another justification to make it look like some brilliant well thought out plan, like countering Iran was the idea all along. It’s revisionist history at best.

[jpinpb]

That burns me. This is a good reason why it’s hard for me to vote Rep. Always bailing out those poor corporations.

At the same time, I don’t want to help losers who are not working looking for government bailouts (or scam investors for that matter).

I was thinking a happy medium is allow people to write off their education. Helps people help themselves. Get training, get a job, get off your a$$ and work. As an incentive, you pay for your education and you can write it off, or maybe part of it. Seems like a win-win. Get the dregs off the government’s charity. Helps society generally. Less tax dollars, though. Or maybe alternatively giving companies some kind of tax break for training U.S. workers.

Anyway, I am sick of reading my tax dollars going to help people or corporations. I need the help myself, damn it!

[jpinpb]

That burns me. This is a good reason why it’s hard for me to vote Rep. Always bailing out those poor corporations.

At the same time, I don’t want to help losers who are not working looking for government bailouts (or scam investors for that matter).

I was thinking a happy medium is allow people to write off their education. Helps people help themselves. Get training, get a job, get off your a$$ and work. As an incentive, you pay for your education and you can write it off, or maybe part of it. Seems like a win-win. Get the dregs off the government’s charity. Helps society generally. Less tax dollars, though. Or maybe alternatively giving companies some kind of tax break for training U.S. workers.

Anyway, I am sick of reading my tax dollars going to help people or corporations. I need the help myself, damn it!

[jpinpb]

That burns me. This is a good reason why it’s hard for me to vote Rep. Always bailing out those poor corporations.

At the same time, I don’t want to help losers who are not working looking for government bailouts (or scam investors for that matter).

I was thinking a happy medium is allow people to write off their education. Helps people help themselves. Get training, get a job, get off your a$$ and work. As an incentive, you pay for your education and you can write it off, or maybe part of it. Seems like a win-win. Get the dregs off the government’s charity. Helps society generally. Less tax dollars, though. Or maybe alternatively giving companies some kind of tax break for training U.S. workers.

Anyway, I am sick of reading my tax dollars going to help people or corporations. I need the help myself, damn it!

[jpinpb]

That burns me. This is a good reason why it’s hard for me to vote Rep. Always bailing out those poor corporations.

At the same time, I don’t want to help losers who are not working looking for government bailouts (or scam investors for that matter).

I was thinking a happy medium is allow people to write off their education. Helps people help themselves. Get training, get a job, get off your a$$ and work. As an incentive, you pay for your education and you can write it off, or maybe part of it. Seems like a win-win. Get the dregs off the government’s charity. Helps society generally. Less tax dollars, though. Or maybe alternatively giving companies some kind of tax break for training U.S. workers.

Anyway, I am sick of reading my tax dollars going to help people or corporations. I need the help myself, damn it!

[ltokuda]

The CEO of BSC just sold all of his stock for $61 million. He can thank the US tax payer for bailing him out … otherwise, his stock would have been worth zero. Its good to see that our hard earned money is going to help the needy.

[ltokuda]

The CEO of BSC just sold all of his stock for $61 million. He can thank the US tax payer for bailing him out … otherwise, his stock would have been worth zero. Its good to see that our hard earned money is going to help the needy.

[ltokuda]

The CEO of BSC just sold all of his stock for $61 million. He can thank the US tax payer for bailing him out … otherwise, his stock would have been worth zero. Its good to see that our hard earned money is going to help the needy.

[ltokuda]

The CEO of BSC just sold all of his stock for $61 million. He can thank the US tax payer for bailing him out … otherwise, his stock would have been worth zero. Its good to see that our hard earned money is going to help the needy.

[patientrenter]

I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the political tripe that gets debated on various blogs, but hearing McCain sound a note of caution, limits, and personal responsibility on the housing bubble problems was so refreshing and unusual that I have decided who would get my vote this year.

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the political tripe that gets debated on various blogs, but hearing McCain sound a note of caution, limits, and personal responsibility on the housing bubble problems was so refreshing and unusual that I have decided who would get my vote this year.

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the political tripe that gets debated on various blogs, but hearing McCain sound a note of caution, limits, and personal responsibility on the housing bubble problems was so refreshing and unusual that I have decided who would get my vote this year.

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the political tripe that gets debated on various blogs, but hearing McCain sound a note of caution, limits, and personal responsibility on the housing bubble problems was so refreshing and unusual that I have decided who would get my vote this year.

Patient renter in OC

[Anonymous]

I think that I’m probably a cross between a Dem and a Republican. I do NOT support bailouts in any form or fashion. However, I want a democratic president in the white house becuause unlike Republicans, they care for the common, working-class man. The Republicans only care for big businesses, high-earners and those that are wealthy. Screw the people who need help like those who are mentally ill. As long as they are keeping money in the pockets of those who are enjoying wealth, the lady who is dillusional and can’t help herself can rot on the street. Morally, I have a problem with that and so do a lot of people like me.

We need a national healthcare system. Other countries have them, obviously it can be done. Repubs would rather spend billions fighting wars we have no business fighting than to take care of American citizens. That’s where our responsibility lies.

What bugs me is Bush signed off on bailouts which is something I understand a Repub president should never do. But, we all know what an idiot he is, so that’s not surprising.

Thank God I didn’t vote for him.

[CA renter]

Guess which presidential candidate wrote the following in August of 2007?:

Bailing out investors and their risky investments would just induce them to take on bigger risks next time, expecting another bailout, he believes.

More and more, corporate capitalists in side and beyond the financial markets do not want to behave as capitalists-willing to take the losses along with the profits. They want Washington, D.C., meaning you the taxpayers, to pay for their facilities (as with big time sports stadiums) or take on their losses because they believe that they are too big to be allowed to fail (as with large banks or industrial companies).
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Ralph Nader. And at least we know where he stands WRT consumers and taxpayers. I’m not in favor of all of his stances, but he does seem to be against the corporate bailouts (iffy on the FB bailout), and is against the war, FWIW.

http://www.counterpunch.org/nader08182007.html

[CA renter]

Guess which presidential candidate wrote the following in August of 2007?:

Bailing out investors and their risky investments would just induce them to take on bigger risks next time, expecting another bailout, he believes.

More and more, corporate capitalists in side and beyond the financial markets do not want to behave as capitalists-willing to take the losses along with the profits. They want Washington, D.C., meaning you the taxpayers, to pay for their facilities (as with big time sports stadiums) or take on their losses because they believe that they are too big to be allowed to fail (as with large banks or industrial companies).
.
.
.
.
.
.

Ralph Nader. And at least we know where he stands WRT consumers and taxpayers. I’m not in favor of all of his stances, but he does seem to be against the corporate bailouts (iffy on the FB bailout), and is against the war, FWIW.

http://www.counterpunch.org/nader08182007.html

[CA renter]

Guess which presidential candidate wrote the following in August of 2007?:

Bailing out investors and their risky investments would just induce them to take on bigger risks next time, expecting another bailout, he believes.

More and more, corporate capitalists in side and beyond the financial markets do not want to behave as capitalists-willing to take the losses along with the profits. They want Washington, D.C., meaning you the taxpayers, to pay for their facilities (as with big time sports stadiums) or take on their losses because they believe that they are too big to be allowed to fail (as with large banks or industrial companies).
.
.
.
.
.
.

Ralph Nader. And at least we know where he stands WRT consumers and taxpayers. I’m not in favor of all of his stances, but he does seem to be against the corporate bailouts (iffy on the FB bailout), and is against the war, FWIW.

http://www.counterpunch.org/nader08182007.html

[CA renter]

Guess which presidential candidate wrote the following in August of 2007?:

Bailing out investors and their risky investments would just induce them to take on bigger risks next time, expecting another bailout, he believes.

More and more, corporate capitalists in side and beyond the financial markets do not want to behave as capitalists-willing to take the losses along with the profits. They want Washington, D.C., meaning you the taxpayers, to pay for their facilities (as with big time sports stadiums) or take on their losses because they believe that they are too big to be allowed to fail (as with large banks or industrial companies).
.
.
.
.
.
.

Ralph Nader. And at least we know where he stands WRT consumers and taxpayers. I’m not in favor of all of his stances, but he does seem to be against the corporate bailouts (iffy on the FB bailout), and is against the war, FWIW.

http://www.counterpunch.org/nader08182007.html

[CA renter]

Guess which presidential candidate wrote the following in August of 2007?:

Bailing out investors and their risky investments would just induce them to take on bigger risks next time, expecting another bailout, he believes.

More and more, corporate capitalists in side and beyond the financial markets do not want to behave as capitalists-willing to take the losses along with the profits. They want Washington, D.C., meaning you the taxpayers, to pay for their facilities (as with big time sports stadiums) or take on their losses because they believe that they are too big to be allowed to fail (as with large banks or industrial companies).
.
.
.
.
.
.

Ralph Nader. And at least we know where he stands WRT consumers and taxpayers. I’m not in favor of all of his stances, but he does seem to be against the corporate bailouts (iffy on the FB bailout), and is against the war, FWIW.

http://www.counterpunch.org/nader08182007.html

[Anonymous]

I think that I’m probably a cross between a Dem and a Republican. I do NOT support bailouts in any form or fashion. However, I want a democratic president in the white house becuause unlike Republicans, they care for the common, working-class man. The Republicans only care for big businesses, high-earners and those that are wealthy. Screw the people who need help like those who are mentally ill. As long as they are keeping money in the pockets of those who are enjoying wealth, the lady who is dillusional and can’t help herself can rot on the street. Morally, I have a problem with that and so do a lot of people like me.

We need a national healthcare system. Other countries have them, obviously it can be done. Repubs would rather spend billions fighting wars we have no business fighting than to take care of American citizens. That’s where our responsibility lies.

What bugs me is Bush signed off on bailouts which is something I understand a Repub president should never do. But, we all know what an idiot he is, so that’s not surprising.

Thank God I didn’t vote for him.

[Anonymous]

I think that I’m probably a cross between a Dem and a Republican. I do NOT support bailouts in any form or fashion. However, I want a democratic president in the white house becuause unlike Republicans, they care for the common, working-class man. The Republicans only care for big businesses, high-earners and those that are wealthy. Screw the people who need help like those who are mentally ill. As long as they are keeping money in the pockets of those who are enjoying wealth, the lady who is dillusional and can’t help herself can rot on the street. Morally, I have a problem with that and so do a lot of people like me.

We need a national healthcare system. Other countries have them, obviously it can be done. Repubs would rather spend billions fighting wars we have no business fighting than to take care of American citizens. That’s where our responsibility lies.

What bugs me is Bush signed off on bailouts which is something I understand a Repub president should never do. But, we all know what an idiot he is, so that’s not surprising.

Thank God I didn’t vote for him.

[Anonymous]

I think that I’m probably a cross between a Dem and a Republican. I do NOT support bailouts in any form or fashion. However, I want a democratic president in the white house becuause unlike Republicans, they care for the common, working-class man. The Republicans only care for big businesses, high-earners and those that are wealthy. Screw the people who need help like those who are mentally ill. As long as they are keeping money in the pockets of those who are enjoying wealth, the lady who is dillusional and can’t help herself can rot on the street. Morally, I have a problem with that and so do a lot of people like me.

We need a national healthcare system. Other countries have them, obviously it can be done. Repubs would rather spend billions fighting wars we have no business fighting than to take care of American citizens. That’s where our responsibility lies.

What bugs me is Bush signed off on bailouts which is something I understand a Repub president should never do. But, we all know what an idiot he is, so that’s not surprising.

Thank God I didn’t vote for him.

[Anonymous]

I think that I’m probably a cross between a Dem and a Republican. I do NOT support bailouts in any form or fashion. However, I want a democratic president in the white house becuause unlike Republicans, they care for the common, working-class man. The Republicans only care for big businesses, high-earners and those that are wealthy. Screw the people who need help like those who are mentally ill. As long as they are keeping money in the pockets of those who are enjoying wealth, the lady who is dillusional and can’t help herself can rot on the street. Morally, I have a problem with that and so do a lot of people like me.

We need a national healthcare system. Other countries have them, obviously it can be done. Repubs would rather spend billions fighting wars we have no business fighting than to take care of American citizens. That’s where our responsibility lies.

What bugs me is Bush signed off on bailouts which is something I understand a Repub president should never do. But, we all know what an idiot he is, so that’s not surprising.

Thank God I didn’t vote for him.

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