Trump presidency predictions

[livinincali]

[quote=zk]

You’re right, Ribbles. I shouldn’t have lumped you in with livinincali.

Livinincali, what about you? I guess you haven’t come right out and said (that I remember) that you’re a trump supporter. You’ve indicated some support for some of his ideas. You’ve agreed with him that global warming isn’t human-caused. Are you a trump supporter? Do you think he’ll do well? Any positive predictions?

Now that he’s won, are there any trump supporters out there? bg, you are clearly a big supporter. Any positive predictions?[/quote]

Wasn’t a Trump supporter. Voted for Gary Johnson not that he would have changed things that much either. I honestly don’t think who is US president can really effect that much change into today’s economy or policy. Maybe to some degree but not as much as people think. People that think things would be horrifically bad under Trump but extremely rosy under Hillary are delusional. Of course there’s no way for either side to prove they were right so why waste time arguing over religion.

The problem is that even if protectionist policies or major changes to the healthcare system would be good in the long term they will be economically damaging in the short term. Even if his policies were good it might be 10+ years to see the benefit of them and in that case someone else will likely get the credit.

As for global warming nobody really knows how much warming is due to man made warming due to the burning of fossil fuels. Obviously there are other factors such as the sun energy output and just earth’s overall ecosystem that is honestly too complex for us to understand. We can’t even predict local weather that well. We certainly don’t have a complete model for earth’s global climate and what percent of warming is caused by man. The earth has been far hotter and colder before man was even a species on this rock.

Even if you come to conclusion that man made global warming is real and fossil fuel consumption needs to be reduced by 50%, 80% or whatever are you prepared to live with the reduced standard of living that would entail. I don’t think most of the humans on the planet are ready to voluntarily do that. There isn’t a cheap reliable energy source other than nuclear technologies and nobody seems to want to go down that path either. I’m not saying we shouldn’t try to research better energy technologies, but putting some sort of artificial constraint on economic growth via carbon taxes or some other mechanism isn’t the right approach. Honestly most of us living in SoCal are the worst offenders on the planet when it comes to energy consumption and carbon output.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=FlyerInHi]I agree, zk. Trumpismo is pretty much the beginning of the end of american exceptionalism which is ironic because Trumpistas voted for America First.[/quote]Total BS. American Exceptionalism can’t be killed by one man. That’s the same BS that the right wing nut job have been peddling for the last 8 years.

Here’s my prediction…
– Housing: more expensive
– Income: higher
– Rent: higher
– Stock: higher
– Inflation: higher
– Labor participation: higher
– Standard of living: better than it is today[/quote]

I think I would agree with you except I would add the one thing. The wealth gap is gonna get a lot wider too. Note to self. Don’t fall down, or you are going to get left behind.

[spdrun]

livinincali: All environmental regulations can be seen as artificial constraints on growth. What good is economic growth if we make the Earth (or certain parts of it) inhospitable to humans?

BTW- I’d much rather live a quarter mile from a nuclear power plant than from a coal mine, coal power plant, or frack field. Why? Because I understand science and risk.

Problem with this country is lack of education and opportunities for education. People don’t understand risk. People think that solar is some sort of grand conspiracy to control them. And Trump, by hiring someone who’s anti-public education for the Department of Ed, will actually make this shituation worse.

You’ll have people allowed to opt out of a scientifically rigorous education for their kids, in favor of Jeebus-jumper Bible-thumper larnin’, and the cycle will continue.

[spdrun]

flu and AN: is our standard of living really increasing? Sure, people can call up the latest conspiracy theory and fake news on a little slab of glass and be on call with their boss 24/7. But do we have more free time than we had 20 years ago? Do we travel more? Spend more time with our families?

Is inflation-adjusted pay higher? Has life expectancy even increased much? You’re confusing TOYS that add very little to human existence with a standard of living.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=livinincali] I honestly don’t think who is US president can really effect that much change into today’s economy or policy. Maybe to some degree but not as much as people think. [/quote]

Several things would help the middle middle and lower middle to working classes.

Free government run health care
Free preschool
Free college

The benefits would be most helpful to people who can’t really save or are not professional enough to demand good fringe benefits from their employers.

So, yeah, good policies can help. But people have got to want them.

[spdrun]

^^^

Trump has talked big in the past about the above, but his appointments for Cabinet aren’t likely to further such policies.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=njtosd][quote=scaredyclassic]because hes so fat. hes very fat. too fat to be president. 5th fattest president ever as of now. will be in top 3, maybe fattest ever. hes a pig. the media talked about christies fat, but donalds fat is hiding in plain sight. hes an unhealthy rotund slob.

fat shamer be shamed!

infowars v. wapo. why is the onion getting scoops like this and beating out major mediaoutlets?

http://www.theonion.com/article/donald-trump-stares-forlornly-at-tiny-aged-penis-i-28589%5B/quote%5D

Hmm – yes, he is fat. But Hillary has gone in that direction over the last few years – she’s certainly no Elizabeth Warren. If your issue is hypocrisy – politics has a lot of low hanging fruit.[/quote]

hillary was fat, so donald fat hillary fat not a good story

now that we have the FATTEST PRESIDENT in our lifetimes, his lardness should be newsworthy, just like christies flab was news and mockworthy.

trump vote was a big f u to the establishment, but now that he is the establishment, with a goldman sachs sponsored presidency, he should be mercilessly ridiculed from day one. how do we know he was even born in the us?

[Anonymous]

Do we have a metric for standard of living?

At least scaredey’s assessment of Trump’s weight is measurable.

Piggs are supposed to be about the numbers.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]flu and AN: is our standard of living really increasing? Sure, people can call up the latest conspiracy theory and fake news on a little slab of glass and be on call with their boss 24/7. But do we have more free time than we had 20 years ago? Do we travel more? Spend more time with our families?

Is inflation-adjusted pay higher? Has life expectancy even increased much? You’re confusing TOYS that add very little to human existence with a standard of living.[/quote]

By GDP and the material stuff we can buy, then yes, standard of living is up. Economists consider that more goods, or even an improvement in products result in higher standards of living. For example, we enjoy higher standards of living when innovation and productivity can produce a programmable coffee maker for the same or lower inflation adjusted price as a manual coffee maker of years past. That’s the definition, so we need to use it.

I sometimes talk to a long time Chinese friend now in her 40s. She told me about the communist old days of her youth when, despite all the privation and other problems, there was camaraderie and people would get together to sing propaganda songs. Now everyone thinks about money first.

So I asked “would you give up your million dollar condo and your gucci handbags for some of the past social closeness?” The answer is a resounding NO.

spd, you’re smart to want good social policies. If university education were free, then parents could relax and take it easy a little without worrying that their kids would be deprived of opportunities (or have to take on massive debts they may not pay back to go to college).

[spdrun]

A programmable coffee maker still needs to be prefilled with coffee and water to be ready to make coffee. Not convinced that not having to push a button on the way to the bathroom in the morning actually saves any time over pushing it.

Much of the electronic tech that has come out recently is utter gimmick-laden shit.

[an]

[quote=flu][quote=AN][quote=FlyerInHi]I agree, zk. Trumpismo is pretty much the beginning of the end of american exceptionalism which is ironic because Trumpistas voted for America First.[/quote]Total BS. American Exceptionalism can’t be killed by one man. That’s the same BS that the right wing nut job have been peddling for the last 8 years.

Here’s my prediction…
– Housing: more expensive
– Income: higher
– Rent: higher
– Stock: higher
– Inflation: higher
– Labor participation: higher
– Standard of living: better than it is today[/quote]

I think I would agree with you except I would add the one thing. The wealth gap is gonna get a lot wider too. Note to self. Don’t fall down, or you are going to get left behind.[/quote]I totally agree with that as well.

[an]

[quote=zk][quote=AN]
Here’s my prediction…
– Housing: more expensive
– Income: higher
– Rent: higher
– Stock: higher
– Inflation: higher
– Labor participation: higher
– Standard of living: better than it is today[/quote]

Interesting predictions. Just for the record, when you say better standard of living, are you including the middle class in that?[/quote]Yes, everyone. Uber, Amazon, more life saving drugs, nanotech, AI, etc. All of those will be accessible to everyone. That’s what I mean why better standard of living. Science will progress and there will be break throughs that will dramatically improve people’s living standard.

[an]

[quote=spdrun]A programmable coffee maker still needs to be prefilled with coffee and water to be ready to make coffee. Not convinced that not having to push a button on the way to the bathroom in the morning actually saves any time over pushing it.

Much of the electronic tech that has come out recently is utter gimmick-laden shit.[/quote]Here’s another prediction, your (spdrun) living standard will be worse. Since all the things that you think are shit is what will be advancing.

[spdrun]

zk: If anything, my standard of living will be better.

Why? Because there are a lot of brainwashed dumbkents who drink the “newer is better” Kool-Aid. It’s nice to be able to pick up a TV that’s a few generations old on Craigslist for $50, a non-connected coffee maker for $5, still-working appliances at the Habitat store, etc. Basically, it makes it a lot easier to be a cheap shit and recycle the leftovers of other people.

[an]

[quote=FlyerInHi]
That’s not what I meant by exceptionalism. That’s just money. By your measures, Dubai and Singapore are better than we are. What about the growth and wealth creation in China? [/quote]I never said those are what make us exceptional. Those are just my prediction.

[quote=FlyerInHi]We are exceptional because of our ideas and governance. Trumpismo is moving us in the direction of Chavismo or Putinism. [/quote]I agree with this and this is what I call BS to. No one man can stop ideas and I believe our governance and constitution is set up in a way where one man can’t destroy our exceptionalism.

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