Trump becoming presidential

[moneymaker]

After listening to his speech the other night it struck me that he actually sounded presidential, his delivery was pretty good!He seemed to have a real desire to bring people together rather than cause discord.

[spdrun]

He just had a better speechwriter and he was threatened with lack of sex by Melania if he didn’t stay on topic.

[zk]

It’s hard for me to fathom how anybody can watch and listen to trump for all these years, and then listen to one scripted speech and say, “he seemed to have a real desire to bring people together rather than cause discord.” Are you really that easily fooled by a con man? And not even a good con man? Con man don’s actions and most of his unscripted words show that bringing people together is the last thing he wants. Dividing people – stoking fear of immigrants and resentment and loathing of liberals and disgust with and fear of “others” in general – is THE central plank of his political platform, and his words and actions outside of his scripted speeches clearly show this.

I thought the insincerity was glaringly obvious. Now, that could be because I’m aware that virtually all of his words and actions outside his scripted speeches demonstrate that he was insincere. But when I listened, he didn’t sound sincere at all.

I thought he sometimes sounded like a whiny little bitch, but mostly he sounded like a giant douchebag. And sometimes he sounded lethargic. Also he just sounds like he’s not very bright, which I guess is beside the point.

But he didn’t overtly rant or rave. It seems that’s where a lot of people are currently setting the bar for sounding presidential. Which is pretty sad.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=zk]
I thought he sometimes sounded like a whiny little bitch, but mostly he sounded like a giant douchebag. And sometimes he sounded lethargic. Also he just sounds like he’s not very bright, which I guess is beside the point.
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I agree. He sounds like a deplorable that’s why they love him.
And that’s why whenever I meet a deplorable and he/she bitches about something, often money. I tell him that Trump brought you an “economic miracle” (Trump’s words) so you have nothing to complain about.

Trump is the reason I no longer feel American and have chosen instead be a citizen of the world. Trump has unmasked and enabled the ugly Americans. And we deserve the decline he’s bringing about.

So we have at least 3 people here who disapprove of Trump but actually listened to his speech because he is president. I don’t know of any conservative who listened to Obama speeches in full. I think that says at lot about the different cultures.

[NeetaT]

I hate to disappoint you guys, but I will vote for him again unless there is a Republican who will hit back at CA harder for it’s high tax / high spending policies.

[spdrun]

Why should states not have the choice to enact high-tax/high-spending policies? Why should some filth in DC be entitled to “hit back” at them for their choices, especially if the state is paying more into DC than it’s getting back? Personally, I think places like California would be a hell of a lot better off without a bunch of hayseed politicians in DC telling them what to do. (Calexit 2020!!!)

If you want low taxes, then bugger off and go move to Oklahoma or Arkansas — don’t rely on a Trumpian nanny state in DC to ruin all that’s good about CA (decent public transport, public education, healthcare by US standards). Seriously, why are you still in California if you hate it so much?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]

Seriously, why are you still in California if you hate it so much?[/quote]

Time to throw the-love-it-or-leave mantra back at the real Americans.

Two other things neeta forgets
– states rights that are so dear to the right.
– economics. He’s complaining about CA but in rational economic terms, the NPV or total benefit of staying in CA is superior otherwise he would have left already.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun] Personally, I think places like California would be a hell of a lot better off without a bunch of hayseed politicians in DC telling them what to do. (Calexit 2020!!!)
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Yes I agree. Would could deport the drug addicts and homeless back to their home states. They are mostly non-California born Americans.

We can have a modern economy with high speed rail links to Canada and Mexico.
Our 21st century internet companies will not have to pay federal taxes but would still be able operate extraterritorially all over the world.

I’d be happy for my federal taxes all going to California.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]He just had a better speechwriter and he was threatened with lack of sex by Melania if he didn’t stay on topic.[/quote]

Melania is a Russian mole working for the KGB/FSB. I mean, come on, she’s from behind the iron curtain. I know because because I read many spy novels.

[zk]

[quote=NeetaT]I hate to disappoint you guys, but I will vote for him again unless there is a Republican who will hit back at CA harder for it’s high tax / high spending policies.[/quote]

That’s like the town drunk saying, “I hate to disappoint you guys, but I’m going to have another drink.” Yeah, we get it. You’re an idiot. Although the pride in both cases is amusingly pathetic.

[zk]

Well, in just a few short days since the SOTU, con man don has sent a bunch of tweets that show that he immediately reverted back to his unpresidential ways (if he ever left them). Anybody who is surprised by this, or who thought that trump was “becoming presidential” is a fool.

Let’s check out just a few of his unpresidential tweets since Tuesday:

He exhibited his delusions:

The fact is, when I took over as President, our Country was a mess. Depleted Military, Endless Wars, a potential War with North Korea, V.A., High Taxes & too many Regulations, Border, Immigration & HealthCare problems, & much more. I had no choice but to work very long hours!

He exhibited his ignorance about global warming and mocked a candidate’s appearance:

Well, it happened again. Amy Klobuchar announced that she is running for President, talking proudly of fighting global warming while standing in a virtual blizzard of snow, ice and freezing temperatures. Bad timing. By the end of her speech she looked like a Snowman(woman)!

He misrepresented democrats’ positions (and showed his carelessness via yet another typo / spelling error):

The Border Committee Democrats are behaving, all of a sudden, irrationally. Not only are they unwilling to give dollars for the obviously needed Wall (they overrode recommendations of Border Patrol experts), but they don’t even want to take muderers into custody! What’s going on?

He actually believes democrats want a shutdown to change the subject:

It was a very bad week for the Democrats, with the GREAT economic numbers, The Virginia disaster and the State of the Union address. Now, with the terrible offers being made by them to the Border Committee, I actually believe they want a Shutdown. They want a new subject!

He threw out a straw man argument:

Gallup Poll: “Open Borders will potentially attract 42 million Latin Americans.” This would be a disaster for the U.S. We need the Wall now!

He name called:

Today Elizabeth Warren, sometimes referred to by me as Pocahontas, joined the race for President. Will she run as our first Native American presidential candidate, or has she decided that after 32 years, this is not playing so well anymore? See you on the campaign TRAIL, Liz!

He displayed his ignorance of what happened when republicans had the majority and also projected his 2016 shortcomings onto democrats:

The Democrats in Congress yesterday were vicious and totally showed their cards for everyone to see. When the Republicans had the Majority they never acted with such hatred and scorn! The Dems are trying to win an election in 2020 that they know they cannot legitimately win!

He sucked up to a dictator who starves his people and is developing nuclear weapons:

North Korea, under the leadership of Kim Jong Un, will become a great Economic Powerhouse. He may surprise some but he won’t surprise me, because I have gotten to know him & fully understand how capable he is. North Korea will become a different kind of Rocket – an Economic one!

He seemed to forget that the impartial investigation (which he very presidentially refers to as a “witch hunt”) into him has yet to conclude:

The mainstream media has refused to cover the fact that the head of the VERY important Senate Intelligence Committee, after two years of intensive study and access to Intelligence that only they could get, just stated that they have found NO COLLUSION between “Trump” & Russia….
…It is all a GIANT AND ILLEGAL HOAX, developed long before the election itself, but used as an excuse by the Democrats as to why Crooked Hillary Clinton lost the Election! Someday the Fake News Media will turn honest & report that Donald J. Trump was actually a GREAT Candidate!

And he has apparently forgotten his birther stance:

PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT! It should never be allowed to happen again!

[teaboy]

let’s be realistic, Trump being sycophantic to other despotic world leaders (i.e. Putin, Kim, MBS, etc) is just self-preservation. If he pissed off any of those guys their people could probably quite easily hack and wikileak his tax returns or other even more politically explosive records faster than you could say “President Pence.”

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[EconProf]

There is a malady out there called Trump Derangement Syndrome–TDS, wherein Trump haters lose all semblance of rational thought in their obsession with Trump and Trump supporters. The comments on this thread show this obsession, as expressed by the same commentators whenever the subject of Trump comes up.
This thread was started by Moneymaker, who made a fair observation about the State of the Union Address shared by many. This was mocked by the TDS crowd, as was a fairly innocent comment by NeetaT. TDS folks talk mainly to each other, and can’t stand dissent, so they have to squash alternative viewpoints.
Keep it up guys. You are helping Trump win reelection.

[spdrun]

I wasn’t mocking NeetaT’s comment. I was disgusted by it. I like states with public services. Love trains, love riding on trains. Love cheap public universities. Love having a safety net as far as healthcare. I don’t think some fucking clown in DC should force the state I live in to lower taxes and get rid of services that are useful to me and that I enjoy.

[zk]

[quote=EconProf]
There is a malady out there called Trump Derangement Syndrome–TDS, wherein Trump haters lose all semblance of rational thought in their obsession with Trump and Trump supporters. The comments on this thread show this obsession, as expressed by the same commentators whenever the subject of Trump comes up.
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If you want to point out any flaws in the rationality of my thought, please do. Allow me to debunk your efforts to this point:
[quote=EconProf]

This thread was started by Moneymaker, who made a fair observation about the State of the Union Address shared by many.
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Show me the “many” (outside of right-wing propaganda and sycophantic politicians, of course) who thought that “He seemed to have a real desire to bring people together rather than cause discord.”
[quote=EconProf]

TDS folks talk mainly to each other,
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I’m here talking to you. And I tried to engage neeta several times (although, since he generally doesn’t have a counterpoint to my arguments (or anyone else’s) debunking his, it’s hard to engage him, so I gave up). I’m always looking for a trump fan to debate. It’s hard finding reasonable trump supporters to talk to. They usually end up ranting and raving and running away. Or they resort to trolling. Stick around, econprof. Stick to reason and logic, and let’s debate.
If you want to do that, I have a few questions for you.
[quote=EconProf]

and can’t stand dissent,

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Can’t stand dissent? I love dissent. I love making counterarguments against trump supporters. I particularly love debating people who have spent most of their time in the right-wing propaganda bubble (and in my experience that seems to include almost all trump supporters at this point). It’s amazing how few of them have heard what I’m saying. They’re not used to actual, reasonable counterarguments to Hannity’s nonsense. They’re used to everybody else agreeing with him. (And that’s when the ranting and raving and running away starts.)
[quote=EconProf]
so they have to squash alternative viewpoints.
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If by, “squash alternative viewpoints” you mean “point out the flaws in their attempts at reason” then, yes. If not, what do you mean by that and where have I done that?

TDS is just another way that trump fans try to discredit negative commentary about trump. “Oh, that guy is obviously outraged; he can’t be making sense.”

Nonsense. I am definitely outraged. Now, show me where I’m not making sense.

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