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February 1, 2020 at 9:20 AM #814570February 1, 2020 at 9:36 AM #814571
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Participant[quote=The-Shoveler]I know it is just my paranoia etc.. but I can’t help but feel there is something we are not being told about this.
China is basically completely shut down.[/quote]
I think everyone is in the dark- including their own people, censorship all. Can’t speak to the credibility of this man but this is an interesting video from a man who claims to be pursuing journalism and is/was there on the frontline. If you are watching on a desktop subtitles are translated.
February 1, 2020 at 3:40 PM #814572FlyerInHi
GuestAt MIT as part of their smart cities project, they are taking sewer samples to look at the health of the population, determine drug addiction, etc…. I can see cities around the world deploying smart tech in the future.
February 1, 2020 at 8:23 PM #814574ltsddd
ParticipantSwine flu
Coronavirus
….and now the bird fluWouldn’t be shocked to see a 5-10% drop in the Shanghai index once it reopened.
February 2, 2020 at 9:54 AM #814575CoronitaParticipantone good thing to come out of this virus is it just shows how ugly and corrupt the Chinese government has become. But many of us already new that. The ones that weren’t blindsided by the state media’s propaganda machines.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/02/shameless-outrage-china-coronavirus-outbreak-mask
February 2, 2020 at 11:23 AM #814576outtamojo
Participant[quote=flu]one good thing to come out of this virus is it just shows how ugly and corrupt the Chinese government has become. But many of us already new that. The ones that weren’t blindsided by the state media’s propaganda machines.
In a place where you can make yourself dictator for life anything is possible.
February 2, 2020 at 12:17 PM #814577GuestI don’t see anything wrong with officials using the best masks. Bad optics and PR, sure. I can think of one leader in particular who would step over his own wife to grab a mask.
I’m pretty impressed with the talking drones.
Outmojo, “dictator for life” is western spin. Think of it as a council of elders.
Our Supreme Court is appointed for life. Theoretically, the best jurists get the appointments. I don’t think having elected justices would be any better.In all professions, you want the most experienced people running things. Why not professional politicians in politics, and the best administrators in government?
Our American style democracy is not the “end of history”. There will be new forms of government in the future. I believe that technology will cause the decline of the nation state and allow people around the world to create communities of world citizens.
BTW, what form of government is on the USS Enterprise? Some kind of military dictatorship.
February 2, 2020 at 12:27 PM #814578Participantand for those gullible enough to believe the Chinese “official” figures of only a few thousand are infected with the related deaths of a couple hundreds. The flu infects and kills more people every year, but you don’t see entire cities getting “quarantined” like they do with Wuhan. Seems like every plane that left Wuhan had at least one infected person. That’s about 1 in 500 (.2%)? So, .2% for a city of 10 million people should yield at least about 20K infected….and you give the virus about a month to spread…what would the real figure be?
February 2, 2020 at 1:05 PM #814579The-Shoveler
Participant“world citizens”
LOL, you know your actual chance of becoming a Chinese citizen is zero “0”.
February 2, 2020 at 1:26 PM #814581CoronitaParticipant[quote=ltsdd]and for those gullible enough to believe the Chinese “official” figures of only a few thousand are infected with the related deaths of a couple hundreds. The flu infects and kills more people every year, but you don’t see entire cities getting “quarantined” like they do with Wuhan. Seems like every plane that left Wuhan had at least one infected person. That’s about 1 in 500 (.2%)? So, .2% for a city of 10 million people should yield at least about 20K infected….and you give the virus about a month to spread…what would the real figure be?[/quote]
well I did point out when the official numbers were 1000 people that I was in contact with overseas says the number was closer to 4000-5000 and that was only when this first started to get reported.
But again, over the next few weeks I think the US and Western nations will see a lot less cases and a neglible numbers of death simply because
1. lower population density
2. better sanitation and hygenie
3. better prepared medical staff
4. proactive involvement and coordination between the CDC and our federal and state governments.It’s a good thing that the US clamped down on travel to and from China. it’s wasn’t alone too. Australia, Japan, korea, every other nation.
.. Side effect, virus will probably do more damage to China than the trade tarriffs did. I wouldn’t be surprised if the US gets better trade concessions as a result. 2020 will look good for the US me thinks after this panic subsides.February 2, 2020 at 5:35 PM #814580CoronitaParticipant.
February 2, 2020 at 9:06 PM #814583Guest[quote=The-Shoveler]”world citizens”
LOL, you know your actual chance of becoming a Chinese citizen is zero “0”.[/quote]
World citizens don’t want to be Chinese citizens. They want to be able to go anywhere, live anywhere, work anywhere as they fancy. That’s what digital nomads attempt to do. That whole way of living is made possible thanks to technology and millions of people do it.
February 2, 2020 at 9:24 PM #814584Myriad
ParticipantMy parents provide an interesting observation. Every 60 years, China has a major crisis.
1840 – Opium War
1900 – Boxer Rebellion
1960 – Great Leap Forward (aka Backward)
2020 – CoronavirusFebruary 2, 2020 at 9:47 PM #814585Guestflu, we should revisit your trade predictions at the end of the Trump presidency.
You do realize that Trump launched the trade war, but has gotten no concession so far? The Chinese retaliated against our agricultural products while making an end run around our tariffs through countries such as Vietnam.
If anything, China’s dirigism will only increase in the short run. The Chinese state has promised to buy more US agricultural and energy products, promises that have yet to be kept.
A slowdown in China will only cause the Yuan to depreciate naturally. That should help Chinese exports.
If you really believe in the power of the free markets, you have to believe that market liberalization will benefit China. We are pushing China to liberalize, something they know that have to do, something their policy makers know they need to do. It’s the leadership that’s holding back for the sake of political stability.
Trump is going about it all wrong. Just listen/read Brookings or Keyu Jin of LSE. Maybe the American public likes Trump’s “tough talk” but the policy is all wrong and will not achieve anything.
For example, John Allen of Brookings said:
Cooperate
Compete
manage confrontation and conflict.He said that we should support global institutions, and that the USA, Europe and China, have a rare opportunity to cooperate in the development of Africa, the most consequential area for the world by the middle of century.
Too bad the experts no longer run US foreign policy. The “peasants” now run the show. You know what happens peasants are in charge.
February 2, 2020 at 10:33 PM #814586CoronitaParticipantI believe I will be more right more times than you have been right Brian. it all started with my early call that Hillary would lose and Trump would win irrespective who I like and dislike. You’ve been wrong for consistently a lot longer. That’s not an opinion. That’s a fact.
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