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March 17, 2020 at 2:33 PM #815701March 17, 2020 at 3:01 PM #815704
The-Shoveler
Participant[quote=Coronita]Rebate checks coming soon! Lol…
IMO they do that maybe 1 more time then declare Victory!!
March 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM #815709FlyerInHi
GuestHere’s Ian Bremmer’s interview with Kevin Rudd on the geopolitics of coronavirus.
They deserve more viewers.March 17, 2020 at 4:58 PM #815711GuestCoronavirus tests per 1 million people:
Korea 3692
Usa: 23March 17, 2020 at 4:59 PM #815712CoronitaParticipant[quote=The-Shoveler][quote=Coronita]Rebate checks coming soon! Lol…
IMO they do that maybe 1 more time then declare Victory!![/quote]
Lol.
March 17, 2020 at 5:52 PM #815713CoronitaParticipantMarch 17, 2020 at 6:11 PM #815714zk
Participant[quote=sdduuuude][quote=zk][quote=sdduuuude]In the US today, of the 3916 active cases, only 12 are serious or critical. Seems like that is a lower percentage than it was a couple days ago but I don’t really remember. It is much lower than Italy’s 8%.
Things are looking genuinely exponential, though. Maybe we’ll see in the data effects of this weekends shutdowns around the 27th or so.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/%5B/quote%5D
That’s the number of confirmed, tested cases (over 5,000 now). Until tests are way, way, WAY easier to get, we won’t know what’s happening. We really have no idea how many cases there are.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/03/who-gets-tested-coronavirus/607999/%5B/quote%5D
Yes, but we do know that the people who are tested are the worst off so if the critical cases-to-total cases ratio is down, that is even better news, given limited testing.[/quote]
Right now the death rate in the U.S. is 1.6%. So it could be cut by 80% (to 0.32%) and still be more than three times deadlier than the flu.
Besides which, a lot of people with serious symptoms still can’t get tests unless they’ve traveled to particular countries.
Most importantly, if we don’t test more widely, the spread is much harder to stop.
March 17, 2020 at 7:05 PM #815715
svelteParticipant[quote=Coronita]https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-03-17/california-governor-most-schools-likely-out-until-the-fall
This sort of sucks.[/quote]
I’m betting that’s what will happen.
I did a deep-dive into how the 1918 Spanish Flu hit San Diego.
Days All Public Places Closed: 37 Days (all places where people congregate: businesses, churches, etc), then they reopened for 12 days which was premature because the flu numbers rose again and they had to close for another 9 days.
Then they quarantined the entire city for 4 days.
Then they backed off and required gauze masks for 14 more days.
But during this entire period, the schools were closed – somewhere around 70-80 days.
This doesn’t even include round 2 in 1919-1920.
March 17, 2020 at 7:45 PM #815719CoronitaParticipant[quote=svelte][quote=Coronita]https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-03-17/california-governor-most-schools-likely-out-until-the-fall
This sort of sucks.[/quote]
I’m betting that’s what will happen.
I did a deep-dive into how the 1918 Spanish Flu hit San Diego.
Days All Public Places Closed: 37 Days (all places where people congregate: businesses, churches, etc), then they reopened for 12 days which was premature because the flu numbers rose again and they had to close for another 9 days.
Then they quarantined the entire city for 4 days.
Then they backed off and required gauze masks for 14 more days.
But during this entire period, the schools were closed – somewhere around 70-80 days.
This doesn’t even include round 2 in 1919-1920.[/quote]
Yup. Prepare for a war-like economy. We will be in lockdown for some time.
March 17, 2020 at 7:46 PM #815720CoronitaParticipantUS-Canadian border closing…
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/politics/us-canada-suspend-travel/index.html
March 17, 2020 at 8:36 PM #815722ucodegen
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Ucodegen, with you it seems like China can never do good. It will fail because it’s a dystopian surveillance state. When it succeeds it’s because it’s a dictatorship.[/quote]
Never said any such thing. Never said it will fail. The outcome is still unknown. I have always said there are pluses and minuses to any system.Just keep flailing and failing away…
I have always said that appointing people who only study Poli-Sci is stupid. I also feel that people that are elected should have done substantial work outside of the political system before being elected. Instead, what I am seeing is the emergence of a ‘Political’ or ruling class in this nation when you look at the backgrounds and associations of those who are sponsored by a political party for an election.
Having a ‘Political’ class was never the intention of the founders of this nation. It was actually the exact opposite.
March 18, 2020 at 4:19 AM #815724Hobie
ParticipantExactly. Serve your country for a few years, then return to your trade.
March 18, 2020 at 10:49 AM #815728Participant[quote=sdduuuude]
It mystifies me how people can simultaneously say the government is failing to deal with something, then turn right back to the government to fix the problem.[/quote][quote=zk]
Really? That mystifies you? Amazing. It’s not complicated at all. I don’t understand how anybody can be mystified by something so simple.So you think that anything that is failing should be completely abandoned? We should immediately dump any failing party and try to find someone/something else to fix the situation? No attempts at correcting their failings should be attempted?
Now I’m mystified.[/quote]
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[quote=zk]
So you think that anything that is failing should be completely abandoned? [/quote]In the case of big government, yes.[/quote]
So (correct me if I’m wrong) what mystifies you isn’t “how people can simultaneously say the government is failing to deal with something, then turn right back to the government to fix the problem.” What mystifies you is that anyone would not want to abandon what you call “big government” when it’s being poorly run.
Seems pretty closed-minded, and it brings to mind the below article. Republicans have been against “big government” for so long without really considering which situations might call for strong government involvement that they now mindlessly reject considering anything that involves significant government involvement.
March 18, 2020 at 11:59 AM #815730Participant[quote=zk]
Now that I think about it, the likely scenario, politically, has nothing to do with the reality of how trump deals with the situation. Or what happens with the virus. No matter what happens, right-wing propaganda will portray trump as the hero, and liberals as the villains. Tens of millions of ignorant, pathetic chumps will, as usual, fall for it[/quote]The below article (which came out yesterday, two weeks after my above post) is all about how the above happens.
It’s pretty funny (and sad) that so many right-wingers have been led around by the nose by propagandists and changed their positions just as the propaganda told them to. This is how it generally plays out. It’s just a lot more obvious in this instance.
Look on facebook and see how many right-wingers first said the coronavirus is nothing to worry about but have now changed their tune. And watch in the coming days/weeks/months how the rest of them come around as they catch up with what fox is telling them.
So pathetic.
March 18, 2020 at 12:08 PM #815731CoronitaParticipantWow. One month closure, that’s unreal.
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