Off topic “coronavirus”

[svelte]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu]I have my gold bullion bars in my safe along with my Glock, and respirators for painting cars that should filter viruses too. I have a few vegetables in the backyard and bags of rice.

Did I miss anything else I should stock up on?

:)[/quote]

Toilet paper.

I’ve worked at grocery stores before. First thing to go!

[/quote]

After this week, this almost sounds prophetic. 🙂

[spdrun]

[quote=svelte]
Let’s see…I have high blood pressure. My chance of dying from coronavirus is 6%. What percent chance of death do you think justifies closing of schools, banning large gatherings? Just curious.[/quote]

That’s not what the data say, though. All of the conditions mentioned are correlated to age … the study wasn’t controlled for age. If you have high blood pressure as a 35 year old, you likely have much lower chance of dying than 6%. If you’re 70 and have high blood pressure, you may have a 20% chance of dying. Statistics aren’t simple.

Should we protect against this thing? Absolutely. Should you panic and write your last will? Probably not.

[svelte]

[quote=spdrun] If you have high blood pressure as a 35 year old, you likely have much lower chance of dying than 6%. [/quote]

Please point me to the data that supports this statement for those with coronavirus.

[spdrun]

This data came from an observations that were also not controlled for age or other factors.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/03/hypertension-could-be-a-leading-factor-in-coronavirus-deaths-heres-what-to-know.html

[Hobie]

.. and the flu numbers, please.

Not to get into a data war, my point is the panic is not justified. Concern, yes, but not panic.

I attribute it the press using the words ‘pandemic’ and ‘epidemic’ playing off most people’s fear and letting them imply pandemic=death when it only refers to the rate of spread.

And more people are dying of the flu that coronavirus.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=ltsdd][quote=Coronita]Im not too worried. You know who is really running the show? It’s not Trump, it’s not Pence.
Deborah Birx.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_L._Birx%5B/quote%5D

One of the bobbleheads behind trump during the news conference, the other being the coronavirus czar (aka pence), that doesn’t even know how many people have been tested? Anyhow, what I tried to point out in the video is the “(oh it’s bad then) I didn’t do it” rambling response from our commander in tweets.[/quote]

I laughed when Trump said that we can fire our health experts….. but then we can get them back very quickly when we need them.

[Hobie]

High school kids are prepping for AP tests in May now. With Calif schools closing I wonder how the scores will fare against those states that have not closed.

Rise in Kaplin type specific study on-line coarses.

Again, this might be the turning point for on-line education vs. in person university classrooms.

[spdrun]

^^^

hope not. There’s a lot to be said for in-person classroom discussion and hands-on lab work. We’re social animals … sticking people behind a screen is a form of slow torture. Hopefully, things can go back to normal after this is over without the techbros taking over and ruining what’s enjoyable about life (social interaction).

Society survived the 1918 flu and polio pandemics … no reason why we have to be cowards and isolate ourselves permanently because of this.

[Coronita]

[quote=Hobie]High school kids are prepping for AP tests in May now. With Calif schools closing I wonder how the scores will fare against those states that have not closed.

Rise in Kaplin type specific study on-line coarses.

Again, this might be the turning point for on-line education vs. in person university classrooms.[/quote]

Don’t worry, concerned parent.
We, the College Board will come up with some adversity score that will make for any deficit due to the lack of preparation students on the west coast have. Your only issue is might be that you have to be poor or one of the protected groups to qualify. Asians, Indians, caucasians, you are expected to spend your own money for after school enrichment since you guys are all wealthy and have a disproportionate unfair financial advantage and wealth inequality. You guys study all the time anyway, so things like a pandemic outbreak shouldn’t affect that A++ you are always suppose to get under any circumstances since you guys are known for doing that…always studying. In fact, now that school is closed, most of you Asian, indian, and well to do Caucasian families have more time to prepare for the AP tests, since you aren’t suppose to go out of your house anyway. So you guys are lucky if you don’t get a penalty score for the extra time you now have to prepare for the AP.

Then again, if the east coast defers closing schools and later has an outbreak requiring schools to be closed later anyway, maybe the west coast will be the only kids taking the test, and then since it’s curved, everyone has the same level of preparation anyway, well except the Asian, indian, and well to do Caucasian kids where we were expecting you to study during the school closures anyway.. Then the penalty score still might apply to you.

-College Board

Former AP student…. I never found classrooms to be that useful for acing the APs. If there was a diagnosis , I probably would have had adhd since incant sit still in a classroom….locking myself in the library going through a bunch of practice tests the last 3 weeks did. Could have skipped the first year and a half of college. I ended up repeating the classes to get easy A’s lol

[svelte]

[quote=spdrun][quote=svelte][quote=spdrun] If you have high blood pressure as a 35 year old, you likely have much lower chance of dying than 6%. [/quote]

Please point me to the data that supports this statement for those with coronavirus.[/quote]

This data came from an observations that were also not controlled for age or other factors.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/03/hypertension-could-be-a-leading-factor-in-coronavirus-deaths-heres-what-to-know.html

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Nowhere in that link does it say that having high blood pressure at 35 is much lower than 6%. Nowhere.

Here are some direct quotes from that link and the links at that link:

“The risk of high blood pressure increases as patients get older.”

This in no way says that a 35 yo with HBP is at less risk. It just says that you’re at more risk to get HBP as you get older.

“Edwards also noted that in most patients, based on available data, symptoms tend to be mild, especially among younger people.”

While it is unclear, this does not appear to be referring to those with HBP and coronavirus, but those with coronavirus.

“Of a group of 170 patients who died in January in Wuhan — the first wave of casualties caused by a pathogen that’s now raced around the world — nearly half had hypertension.”

Since more than half that died had hypertension, those were predominately older because that is the age group that died and because those are the people that tend to have hypertension.

Now let me point you to something that tends to give a reason why coronavirus tends to hit those with HBP, and this reason appears to be independent of age:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8108735/Medicines-high-blood-pressure-diabetes-worsen-coronavirus-symptoms.html

“People with high blood pressure and diabetes could be at higher risk of severe or fatal coronavirus symptoms because of how their medicines work, scientists say.

Drugs called ACE inhibitors and angiotensin receptor blockers may change the shape of someone’s cells in a way that makes it easier for the coronavirus to infect them and cause a more severe illness.”

The quote above is independent of age – ACE inhibitors change cells in a way that makes them more receptive to coronavirus.

“They found that the most common illnesses among severely-ill coronavirus patients were high blood pressure (23.7 per cent), diabetes (16.2 per cent) and heart disease (5.8 per cent).

And by studying how the coronavirus and SARS, which is almost identical, attach to cells inside people’s bodies they came up with a theory of how the blood pressure drugs might make this easier for the viruses.”

Neither of us will be able to prove our position until many more studies are done. But it is premature to say that HBP is more of a problem with the elderly.

[Anonymous]

Coronita my friend I think you on to something. This look very bad for Vegas. Is there way we can short vegas real estate? So happy not invested there. Much happiness

[Coronita]

[quote=flu]Coronita my friend I think you on to something. This look very bad for Vegas. Is there way we can short vegas real estate? So happy not invested there. Much happiness[/quote]

I don’t think you need to short anything. thingd will shake out by themselves . Asian tourists love going to Vegas. I suspect that signficantly went down when Coronavirus caused Asia to panic. They are staying home, they can’t leave or don’t want to. That was already bad enough. Now that the US is freaking out about this virus, people are staying indoors and avoiding crowded places. Furthermore, some states are banning large venue events. Casinos are a breeding ground for a highly contagious virus. it’s indoors, close quarters, higher population density.Think about it. People say this virus can last on surfaces for a long time. What goes on in casino? People touching poker chips, cards, dice, money, strippers. ok maybe the last one is a stretch. Just about every condition to spread a virus. This puts casinos in a damned if you do damned if you don’t no win situation. Shutdown the casinos, your business tanks. Keep the casinos open , risk spreading a high contagious virus. I suspect the gaming industry will try a half ass solution first. Dont shutdown the entire casino, but close certain venues to try to convince tourists they got it under control. Maybe cancel some shows or some events, but keep the casinos open. It won’t work. it’s the same problem that a cruise ship has. Maybe worse because lots of human contact with items that can transfer virus, unless they start spraying every poker chips with lysol. This is a triple whammy. In a national crisis, that already affects tourism, in this specific international crisis, the international tourists are out, and on top of that, you have a national lockdown strongly encouraging social distancing which is virtually impossible for a casino.

And a geographical location that depends on a majority of this sort of business, it’s a train wreck that will happen. Look no further that what’s happening in Macau right now.

Also, in the short short term , you can’t bet on sports venues that get cancelled, lol.

The gaming industry out of all tourist industries is royally fvcked, right up there with the cruise industry. Especially when this sort of event happens not because of a normal economic boom bust cycle that businesses might have planning for. This was one of those random global disasters that no one was preparing for , especially the gaming industry.. Just wait when the gaming industry and cruise industry signficantly contracts and all those extra workers are no longer needed. Cant pay rent, can’t pay mortgage, can’t find job. They will move where the jobs are.

SD has a certain level of tourism too, but at the same time there was diversification into high tech , biotech, and already defense/military industry here, and now a lot on healthcare.

[FlyerInHi]

Ha, maybe with a delay, but Macau is set to become the richest place on earth! And with the money, plenty of social services for citizens.
The HK people who made fun of Macau in decades past are now seeing the tables turned. It’s like Norway vs. Sweden. Norway is now a lot richer.

[Anonymous]

Wow that sounds terrible and will translate to massive job losses. In a couple years we can buy luxury estate for condo price. That would be much happiness. Do we know anyone in Vegas?

[Anonymous]

Just checked prices of air Bnb in Vegas. Prices plummeting! I had rooms booked for trip in May. Now I’m in process of booking penthouse condo on the strip for half price of hotel room. I’m canceling hotel, this much better

Maybe Las Vegas is solution for California homeless problem. We can buy them condos there for fraction of what it costs to support them here

[Author]

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