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March 25, 2008 at 12:42 PM #12245
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March 25, 2008 at 2:01 PM #176065
pk92108
ParticipantI agree, but don’t forget that we as a country have the crushing burden of funding the medical and social survival of a massive class of immigrants and the poor that separate themselves from maintstream USA…It is a viscious cycle as they have bigger and bigger families and the next generation stays on welfare and Medi-caid as opposed to children of immigrants in the past who made the leap to the middle class….Other countries don’t have this problem and that’s why in part their standard of living is better..
We first need to close the border and revise our immigration policy…I don’t know what else to do….I bet the majority of Hispanics and other immigrants are on Medi-caid…
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March 25, 2008 at 3:18 PM #176123
Arraya
Participantagree, but don’t forget that we as a country have the crushing burden of funding the medical and social survival of a massive class of immigrants and the poor that separate themselves from maintstream USA.
I disagree, many of the top 10 have a much bigger burden than we do in regards to immigration.
Look at military spending to see where all the money goes.
Maybe if you phrased it: With our military spending, we can not afford the funding the medical and social survival of a massive class of immigrants….
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March 25, 2008 at 3:18 PM #176477
Arraya
Participantagree, but don’t forget that we as a country have the crushing burden of funding the medical and social survival of a massive class of immigrants and the poor that separate themselves from maintstream USA.
I disagree, many of the top 10 have a much bigger burden than we do in regards to immigration.
Look at military spending to see where all the money goes.
Maybe if you phrased it: With our military spending, we can not afford the funding the medical and social survival of a massive class of immigrants….
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March 25, 2008 at 3:18 PM #176482
Arraya
Participantagree, but don’t forget that we as a country have the crushing burden of funding the medical and social survival of a massive class of immigrants and the poor that separate themselves from maintstream USA.
I disagree, many of the top 10 have a much bigger burden than we do in regards to immigration.
Look at military spending to see where all the money goes.
Maybe if you phrased it: With our military spending, we can not afford the funding the medical and social survival of a massive class of immigrants….
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March 25, 2008 at 3:18 PM #176487
Arraya
Participantagree, but don’t forget that we as a country have the crushing burden of funding the medical and social survival of a massive class of immigrants and the poor that separate themselves from maintstream USA.
I disagree, many of the top 10 have a much bigger burden than we do in regards to immigration.
Look at military spending to see where all the money goes.
Maybe if you phrased it: With our military spending, we can not afford the funding the medical and social survival of a massive class of immigrants….
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March 25, 2008 at 3:18 PM #176575
Arraya
Participantagree, but don’t forget that we as a country have the crushing burden of funding the medical and social survival of a massive class of immigrants and the poor that separate themselves from maintstream USA.
I disagree, many of the top 10 have a much bigger burden than we do in regards to immigration.
Look at military spending to see where all the money goes.
Maybe if you phrased it: With our military spending, we can not afford the funding the medical and social survival of a massive class of immigrants….
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March 25, 2008 at 2:01 PM #176417
pk92108
ParticipantI agree, but don’t forget that we as a country have the crushing burden of funding the medical and social survival of a massive class of immigrants and the poor that separate themselves from maintstream USA…It is a viscious cycle as they have bigger and bigger families and the next generation stays on welfare and Medi-caid as opposed to children of immigrants in the past who made the leap to the middle class….Other countries don’t have this problem and that’s why in part their standard of living is better..
We first need to close the border and revise our immigration policy…I don’t know what else to do….I bet the majority of Hispanics and other immigrants are on Medi-caid…
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March 25, 2008 at 2:01 PM #176421
pk92108
ParticipantI agree, but don’t forget that we as a country have the crushing burden of funding the medical and social survival of a massive class of immigrants and the poor that separate themselves from maintstream USA…It is a viscious cycle as they have bigger and bigger families and the next generation stays on welfare and Medi-caid as opposed to children of immigrants in the past who made the leap to the middle class….Other countries don’t have this problem and that’s why in part their standard of living is better..
We first need to close the border and revise our immigration policy…I don’t know what else to do….I bet the majority of Hispanics and other immigrants are on Medi-caid…
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March 25, 2008 at 2:01 PM #176426
pk92108
ParticipantI agree, but don’t forget that we as a country have the crushing burden of funding the medical and social survival of a massive class of immigrants and the poor that separate themselves from maintstream USA…It is a viscious cycle as they have bigger and bigger families and the next generation stays on welfare and Medi-caid as opposed to children of immigrants in the past who made the leap to the middle class….Other countries don’t have this problem and that’s why in part their standard of living is better..
We first need to close the border and revise our immigration policy…I don’t know what else to do….I bet the majority of Hispanics and other immigrants are on Medi-caid…
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March 25, 2008 at 2:01 PM #176516
pk92108
ParticipantI agree, but don’t forget that we as a country have the crushing burden of funding the medical and social survival of a massive class of immigrants and the poor that separate themselves from maintstream USA…It is a viscious cycle as they have bigger and bigger families and the next generation stays on welfare and Medi-caid as opposed to children of immigrants in the past who made the leap to the middle class….Other countries don’t have this problem and that’s why in part their standard of living is better..
We first need to close the border and revise our immigration policy…I don’t know what else to do….I bet the majority of Hispanics and other immigrants are on Medi-caid…
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March 25, 2008 at 4:22 PM #176158
DWCAP
ParticipantI didnt look for it, but I didnt see how they came to this conclusion. However, dont you find it interesting that the top ten is DOMINATED by small, european culturally hemogioious nations dependent mostly on banking and trade with the much larger and more powerful nations that encompase them?
Let me see, 1,3,4,5,6,7 dont even have a military or have a military mostly consisting of an honor guard to wear funny uniforms and defend tourest attractions with 16th century pikes (here is looking at you Vatacan city). I am no military defender, and cant stand the war in Iraq, but there are alot of bad people in the world, and SOMEONE needs to be able to do something about it. Good old draft dodging GW obviously WASNT the man for the job.Only the UK and Germany in the top 20 have populations over 50 million. The USA has 300+ million. Lets compare apples to apples here, put us with the other contries that have 100+ million people. China, India, Indonesia, Russia, Brazil, Mexico, Nigeria, Bangledesh, Pakistan, and Japan.
Japan is the only country on that list that even makes the list, #28. Usually these things are put out there by some interest group that is trying to make a point about something, but completly misses reality in doing so.-
March 25, 2008 at 6:29 PM #176213
RottedOak
ParticipantThis is the sort of pseudo-statistic that makes me cringe. The headline-grabbing item is the standing of specific countries in the rankings, with virtually no information being given in the stories about what the rankings are supposed to mean or how they were determined. As best I can tell from the news coverage, the rankings are mostly about stability, with the economy being one element alongside “politics,” “society,” “military-security” and “external threats.” How these items are evaluated isn’t clear. Regardless of the missing details, once the focus on stability is recognized, the rankings become much easier to understand. I don’t see any shame in admitting that tiny semi-autonomous territories in the heart of Europe are more “stable” than the US. By the same standard, I expect that rural counties in Nebraska are more stable than New York City. That’s not a commentary on intrinsic goodness or even relative desirability.
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March 25, 2008 at 6:39 PM #176218
svelte
ParticipantYeah. What he said.
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March 25, 2008 at 6:39 PM #176572
svelte
ParticipantYeah. What he said.
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March 25, 2008 at 6:39 PM #176573
svelte
ParticipantYeah. What he said.
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March 25, 2008 at 6:39 PM #176581
svelte
ParticipantYeah. What he said.
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March 25, 2008 at 6:39 PM #176669
svelte
ParticipantYeah. What he said.
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March 25, 2008 at 6:29 PM #176567
RottedOak
ParticipantThis is the sort of pseudo-statistic that makes me cringe. The headline-grabbing item is the standing of specific countries in the rankings, with virtually no information being given in the stories about what the rankings are supposed to mean or how they were determined. As best I can tell from the news coverage, the rankings are mostly about stability, with the economy being one element alongside “politics,” “society,” “military-security” and “external threats.” How these items are evaluated isn’t clear. Regardless of the missing details, once the focus on stability is recognized, the rankings become much easier to understand. I don’t see any shame in admitting that tiny semi-autonomous territories in the heart of Europe are more “stable” than the US. By the same standard, I expect that rural counties in Nebraska are more stable than New York City. That’s not a commentary on intrinsic goodness or even relative desirability.
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March 25, 2008 at 6:29 PM #176569
RottedOak
ParticipantThis is the sort of pseudo-statistic that makes me cringe. The headline-grabbing item is the standing of specific countries in the rankings, with virtually no information being given in the stories about what the rankings are supposed to mean or how they were determined. As best I can tell from the news coverage, the rankings are mostly about stability, with the economy being one element alongside “politics,” “society,” “military-security” and “external threats.” How these items are evaluated isn’t clear. Regardless of the missing details, once the focus on stability is recognized, the rankings become much easier to understand. I don’t see any shame in admitting that tiny semi-autonomous territories in the heart of Europe are more “stable” than the US. By the same standard, I expect that rural counties in Nebraska are more stable than New York City. That’s not a commentary on intrinsic goodness or even relative desirability.
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March 25, 2008 at 6:29 PM #176576
RottedOak
ParticipantThis is the sort of pseudo-statistic that makes me cringe. The headline-grabbing item is the standing of specific countries in the rankings, with virtually no information being given in the stories about what the rankings are supposed to mean or how they were determined. As best I can tell from the news coverage, the rankings are mostly about stability, with the economy being one element alongside “politics,” “society,” “military-security” and “external threats.” How these items are evaluated isn’t clear. Regardless of the missing details, once the focus on stability is recognized, the rankings become much easier to understand. I don’t see any shame in admitting that tiny semi-autonomous territories in the heart of Europe are more “stable” than the US. By the same standard, I expect that rural counties in Nebraska are more stable than New York City. That’s not a commentary on intrinsic goodness or even relative desirability.
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March 25, 2008 at 6:29 PM #176663
RottedOak
ParticipantThis is the sort of pseudo-statistic that makes me cringe. The headline-grabbing item is the standing of specific countries in the rankings, with virtually no information being given in the stories about what the rankings are supposed to mean or how they were determined. As best I can tell from the news coverage, the rankings are mostly about stability, with the economy being one element alongside “politics,” “society,” “military-security” and “external threats.” How these items are evaluated isn’t clear. Regardless of the missing details, once the focus on stability is recognized, the rankings become much easier to understand. I don’t see any shame in admitting that tiny semi-autonomous territories in the heart of Europe are more “stable” than the US. By the same standard, I expect that rural counties in Nebraska are more stable than New York City. That’s not a commentary on intrinsic goodness or even relative desirability.
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March 25, 2008 at 4:22 PM #176512
DWCAP
ParticipantI didnt look for it, but I didnt see how they came to this conclusion. However, dont you find it interesting that the top ten is DOMINATED by small, european culturally hemogioious nations dependent mostly on banking and trade with the much larger and more powerful nations that encompase them?
Let me see, 1,3,4,5,6,7 dont even have a military or have a military mostly consisting of an honor guard to wear funny uniforms and defend tourest attractions with 16th century pikes (here is looking at you Vatacan city). I am no military defender, and cant stand the war in Iraq, but there are alot of bad people in the world, and SOMEONE needs to be able to do something about it. Good old draft dodging GW obviously WASNT the man for the job.Only the UK and Germany in the top 20 have populations over 50 million. The USA has 300+ million. Lets compare apples to apples here, put us with the other contries that have 100+ million people. China, India, Indonesia, Russia, Brazil, Mexico, Nigeria, Bangledesh, Pakistan, and Japan.
Japan is the only country on that list that even makes the list, #28. Usually these things are put out there by some interest group that is trying to make a point about something, but completly misses reality in doing so. -
March 25, 2008 at 4:22 PM #176515
DWCAP
ParticipantI didnt look for it, but I didnt see how they came to this conclusion. However, dont you find it interesting that the top ten is DOMINATED by small, european culturally hemogioious nations dependent mostly on banking and trade with the much larger and more powerful nations that encompase them?
Let me see, 1,3,4,5,6,7 dont even have a military or have a military mostly consisting of an honor guard to wear funny uniforms and defend tourest attractions with 16th century pikes (here is looking at you Vatacan city). I am no military defender, and cant stand the war in Iraq, but there are alot of bad people in the world, and SOMEONE needs to be able to do something about it. Good old draft dodging GW obviously WASNT the man for the job.Only the UK and Germany in the top 20 have populations over 50 million. The USA has 300+ million. Lets compare apples to apples here, put us with the other contries that have 100+ million people. China, India, Indonesia, Russia, Brazil, Mexico, Nigeria, Bangledesh, Pakistan, and Japan.
Japan is the only country on that list that even makes the list, #28. Usually these things are put out there by some interest group that is trying to make a point about something, but completly misses reality in doing so. -
March 25, 2008 at 4:22 PM #176519
DWCAP
ParticipantI didnt look for it, but I didnt see how they came to this conclusion. However, dont you find it interesting that the top ten is DOMINATED by small, european culturally hemogioious nations dependent mostly on banking and trade with the much larger and more powerful nations that encompase them?
Let me see, 1,3,4,5,6,7 dont even have a military or have a military mostly consisting of an honor guard to wear funny uniforms and defend tourest attractions with 16th century pikes (here is looking at you Vatacan city). I am no military defender, and cant stand the war in Iraq, but there are alot of bad people in the world, and SOMEONE needs to be able to do something about it. Good old draft dodging GW obviously WASNT the man for the job.Only the UK and Germany in the top 20 have populations over 50 million. The USA has 300+ million. Lets compare apples to apples here, put us with the other contries that have 100+ million people. China, India, Indonesia, Russia, Brazil, Mexico, Nigeria, Bangledesh, Pakistan, and Japan.
Japan is the only country on that list that even makes the list, #28. Usually these things are put out there by some interest group that is trying to make a point about something, but completly misses reality in doing so. -
March 25, 2008 at 4:22 PM #176608
DWCAP
ParticipantI didnt look for it, but I didnt see how they came to this conclusion. However, dont you find it interesting that the top ten is DOMINATED by small, european culturally hemogioious nations dependent mostly on banking and trade with the much larger and more powerful nations that encompase them?
Let me see, 1,3,4,5,6,7 dont even have a military or have a military mostly consisting of an honor guard to wear funny uniforms and defend tourest attractions with 16th century pikes (here is looking at you Vatacan city). I am no military defender, and cant stand the war in Iraq, but there are alot of bad people in the world, and SOMEONE needs to be able to do something about it. Good old draft dodging GW obviously WASNT the man for the job.Only the UK and Germany in the top 20 have populations over 50 million. The USA has 300+ million. Lets compare apples to apples here, put us with the other contries that have 100+ million people. China, India, Indonesia, Russia, Brazil, Mexico, Nigeria, Bangledesh, Pakistan, and Japan.
Japan is the only country on that list that even makes the list, #28. Usually these things are put out there by some interest group that is trying to make a point about something, but completly misses reality in doing so. -
March 25, 2008 at 6:44 PM #176228
alarmclock
ParticipantOK, break the US into its 3000+ constituent counties, many of which are both larger and more populous than any of these countries (really, just kingdoms that successfully resisted amalgamation), then inject said counties into the list.
Which is it, the vatican, or monaco that has the big sign at the entry gate “Send us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses…”?
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March 25, 2008 at 6:44 PM #176582
alarmclock
ParticipantOK, break the US into its 3000+ constituent counties, many of which are both larger and more populous than any of these countries (really, just kingdoms that successfully resisted amalgamation), then inject said counties into the list.
Which is it, the vatican, or monaco that has the big sign at the entry gate “Send us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses…”?
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March 25, 2008 at 6:44 PM #176584
alarmclock
ParticipantOK, break the US into its 3000+ constituent counties, many of which are both larger and more populous than any of these countries (really, just kingdoms that successfully resisted amalgamation), then inject said counties into the list.
Which is it, the vatican, or monaco that has the big sign at the entry gate “Send us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses…”?
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March 25, 2008 at 6:44 PM #176590
alarmclock
ParticipantOK, break the US into its 3000+ constituent counties, many of which are both larger and more populous than any of these countries (really, just kingdoms that successfully resisted amalgamation), then inject said counties into the list.
Which is it, the vatican, or monaco that has the big sign at the entry gate “Send us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses…”?
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March 25, 2008 at 6:44 PM #176681
alarmclock
ParticipantOK, break the US into its 3000+ constituent counties, many of which are both larger and more populous than any of these countries (really, just kingdoms that successfully resisted amalgamation), then inject said counties into the list.
Which is it, the vatican, or monaco that has the big sign at the entry gate “Send us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses…”?
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March 25, 2008 at 8:28 PM #176263
34f3f3f
ParticipantTo be taken with a big pinch of salt. What’s the determining criteria for stability and prosperity? Who did the survey, and why? It’s quite meaningless.
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March 25, 2008 at 8:28 PM #176617
34f3f3f
ParticipantTo be taken with a big pinch of salt. What’s the determining criteria for stability and prosperity? Who did the survey, and why? It’s quite meaningless.
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March 25, 2008 at 8:28 PM #176621
34f3f3f
ParticipantTo be taken with a big pinch of salt. What’s the determining criteria for stability and prosperity? Who did the survey, and why? It’s quite meaningless.
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March 25, 2008 at 8:28 PM #176625
34f3f3f
ParticipantTo be taken with a big pinch of salt. What’s the determining criteria for stability and prosperity? Who did the survey, and why? It’s quite meaningless.
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March 25, 2008 at 8:28 PM #176717
34f3f3f
ParticipantTo be taken with a big pinch of salt. What’s the determining criteria for stability and prosperity? Who did the survey, and why? It’s quite meaningless.
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