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June 23, 2009 at 1:40 PM #420013June 23, 2009 at 1:48 PM #419294
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Participant[quote=Rt.66]3)If you chose foreign you are saying “I’m ok with unfair trade practices and companies that steal American jobs and wealth”
[/quote]I hate to tell you this Rt.66, but that’s you. The gas in your car is of Middle East origin. The computer system you use to have this intellectually-fun coversation with us online is probably made in China by Taiwanese companies. The cloth you wear is probably made in South America by European companies. The TV you watch is most likely made in Mexico by a Japanese company. You also should never vacation outside the US as that would only let foreginers take your hard-earned USD.
If it’s not OK for Americans to buy foreign, then to be perfectly fair American companies should also not profit from overseas markets. Ford should sell Volvo back to a Swedish company. GM should make a complete withdrawal from China. Boeing should sell planes only to American airlines. Hawaii should be a vacation destination only to Americans and Hollywood should not release movies outside the US. Now how do these actions help the US economy?
Your support for made in USA products is admirable and your intention is genuine. But your statements and proposed methods, if ever implemented, will throw us back to the 1700s, and even in the 1700s we relied on the export of cotton, timber, fur and other products for our eventual nation to thrive.
Can the US survive on its own without trading with anybody? Absolutely! We are one of the only few countries in the world that have all the necessary resources and the knowhow to be a stand-alone superpower. But do we want to be another North Korea?
Trade imbalance is a serious issue that our government should take actions to improve. But the ideal economy is a balanced trade, not no trade at all. We should encourage American shoppers to buy more domestically-produced or domestically-assembled products. But to say that if you choose foreign then you suck and don’t deserve to be an American is too harsh. You will only get negative effects.
June 23, 2009 at 1:48 PM #419526Participant[quote=Rt.66]3)If you chose foreign you are saying “I’m ok with unfair trade practices and companies that steal American jobs and wealth”
[/quote]I hate to tell you this Rt.66, but that’s you. The gas in your car is of Middle East origin. The computer system you use to have this intellectually-fun coversation with us online is probably made in China by Taiwanese companies. The cloth you wear is probably made in South America by European companies. The TV you watch is most likely made in Mexico by a Japanese company. You also should never vacation outside the US as that would only let foreginers take your hard-earned USD.
If it’s not OK for Americans to buy foreign, then to be perfectly fair American companies should also not profit from overseas markets. Ford should sell Volvo back to a Swedish company. GM should make a complete withdrawal from China. Boeing should sell planes only to American airlines. Hawaii should be a vacation destination only to Americans and Hollywood should not release movies outside the US. Now how do these actions help the US economy?
Your support for made in USA products is admirable and your intention is genuine. But your statements and proposed methods, if ever implemented, will throw us back to the 1700s, and even in the 1700s we relied on the export of cotton, timber, fur and other products for our eventual nation to thrive.
Can the US survive on its own without trading with anybody? Absolutely! We are one of the only few countries in the world that have all the necessary resources and the knowhow to be a stand-alone superpower. But do we want to be another North Korea?
Trade imbalance is a serious issue that our government should take actions to improve. But the ideal economy is a balanced trade, not no trade at all. We should encourage American shoppers to buy more domestically-produced or domestically-assembled products. But to say that if you choose foreign then you suck and don’t deserve to be an American is too harsh. You will only get negative effects.
June 23, 2009 at 1:48 PM #419794Participant[quote=Rt.66]3)If you chose foreign you are saying “I’m ok with unfair trade practices and companies that steal American jobs and wealth”
[/quote]I hate to tell you this Rt.66, but that’s you. The gas in your car is of Middle East origin. The computer system you use to have this intellectually-fun coversation with us online is probably made in China by Taiwanese companies. The cloth you wear is probably made in South America by European companies. The TV you watch is most likely made in Mexico by a Japanese company. You also should never vacation outside the US as that would only let foreginers take your hard-earned USD.
If it’s not OK for Americans to buy foreign, then to be perfectly fair American companies should also not profit from overseas markets. Ford should sell Volvo back to a Swedish company. GM should make a complete withdrawal from China. Boeing should sell planes only to American airlines. Hawaii should be a vacation destination only to Americans and Hollywood should not release movies outside the US. Now how do these actions help the US economy?
Your support for made in USA products is admirable and your intention is genuine. But your statements and proposed methods, if ever implemented, will throw us back to the 1700s, and even in the 1700s we relied on the export of cotton, timber, fur and other products for our eventual nation to thrive.
Can the US survive on its own without trading with anybody? Absolutely! We are one of the only few countries in the world that have all the necessary resources and the knowhow to be a stand-alone superpower. But do we want to be another North Korea?
Trade imbalance is a serious issue that our government should take actions to improve. But the ideal economy is a balanced trade, not no trade at all. We should encourage American shoppers to buy more domestically-produced or domestically-assembled products. But to say that if you choose foreign then you suck and don’t deserve to be an American is too harsh. You will only get negative effects.
June 23, 2009 at 1:48 PM #419862Participant[quote=Rt.66]3)If you chose foreign you are saying “I’m ok with unfair trade practices and companies that steal American jobs and wealth”
[/quote]I hate to tell you this Rt.66, but that’s you. The gas in your car is of Middle East origin. The computer system you use to have this intellectually-fun coversation with us online is probably made in China by Taiwanese companies. The cloth you wear is probably made in South America by European companies. The TV you watch is most likely made in Mexico by a Japanese company. You also should never vacation outside the US as that would only let foreginers take your hard-earned USD.
If it’s not OK for Americans to buy foreign, then to be perfectly fair American companies should also not profit from overseas markets. Ford should sell Volvo back to a Swedish company. GM should make a complete withdrawal from China. Boeing should sell planes only to American airlines. Hawaii should be a vacation destination only to Americans and Hollywood should not release movies outside the US. Now how do these actions help the US economy?
Your support for made in USA products is admirable and your intention is genuine. But your statements and proposed methods, if ever implemented, will throw us back to the 1700s, and even in the 1700s we relied on the export of cotton, timber, fur and other products for our eventual nation to thrive.
Can the US survive on its own without trading with anybody? Absolutely! We are one of the only few countries in the world that have all the necessary resources and the knowhow to be a stand-alone superpower. But do we want to be another North Korea?
Trade imbalance is a serious issue that our government should take actions to improve. But the ideal economy is a balanced trade, not no trade at all. We should encourage American shoppers to buy more domestically-produced or domestically-assembled products. But to say that if you choose foreign then you suck and don’t deserve to be an American is too harsh. You will only get negative effects.
June 23, 2009 at 1:48 PM #420023Participant[quote=Rt.66]3)If you chose foreign you are saying “I’m ok with unfair trade practices and companies that steal American jobs and wealth”
[/quote]I hate to tell you this Rt.66, but that’s you. The gas in your car is of Middle East origin. The computer system you use to have this intellectually-fun coversation with us online is probably made in China by Taiwanese companies. The cloth you wear is probably made in South America by European companies. The TV you watch is most likely made in Mexico by a Japanese company. You also should never vacation outside the US as that would only let foreginers take your hard-earned USD.
If it’s not OK for Americans to buy foreign, then to be perfectly fair American companies should also not profit from overseas markets. Ford should sell Volvo back to a Swedish company. GM should make a complete withdrawal from China. Boeing should sell planes only to American airlines. Hawaii should be a vacation destination only to Americans and Hollywood should not release movies outside the US. Now how do these actions help the US economy?
Your support for made in USA products is admirable and your intention is genuine. But your statements and proposed methods, if ever implemented, will throw us back to the 1700s, and even in the 1700s we relied on the export of cotton, timber, fur and other products for our eventual nation to thrive.
Can the US survive on its own without trading with anybody? Absolutely! We are one of the only few countries in the world that have all the necessary resources and the knowhow to be a stand-alone superpower. But do we want to be another North Korea?
Trade imbalance is a serious issue that our government should take actions to improve. But the ideal economy is a balanced trade, not no trade at all. We should encourage American shoppers to buy more domestically-produced or domestically-assembled products. But to say that if you choose foreign then you suck and don’t deserve to be an American is too harsh. You will only get negative effects.
June 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM #419309Rt.66
ParticipantDude, this is a thread about cars, so we are talking cars as in:
3)If you chose foreign (CARS) you are saying “I’m ok with unfair trade practices and companies that steal American jobs (in the Auto industry) and wealth”
You are correct that we have let industry after industry slip away and good jobs went with them. Are you suggesting that is a good route to continue on?
The reason the Auto industry is such a hot-button topic is that its different.
We still have (until recently I guess) a competitive auto industry that employed bookoo Americans in well paying jobs.
You can go onto a car lot and compare a made in America, by Americans car that is on par in price, reliability and efficiency with any country on the globe.
It was our manufacturing last stand. You could make a choice to support your country and not give up anything really. Or you could just as easily decide to send that $20k you earned in this country to Korea to circulate to the benefit of Korea and support Korean jobs.
Of course you can’t do that with computers and TVs anymore, maybe thats why you don’t see people debating the virtues of buying American made computers?
If we threw up trade sanctions that merely made everything FAIR to our automakers then that Accord of yours would have cost $4k more than it did. I’m guessing that would have got you to think about other makes.
This also answers Flu’s Q, which is to say that if we ourselves decided to buy American or the Gov. decided to level the playing field, and the cars sold in the US that are foriegn made suddenly became a lot less attractive (driving consumers to support their own makers) then even in a down market we could drive up GM’s sales saving many, many jobs.
I bet cutting out Korean, Japanese and German built cars would fix our industry pronto.
Call it trade survival. And when we have a healthy industry again and climb out of this hole we can go back to more open trade (hopefully slanted more fairly to the US).
June 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM #419541ParticipantDude, this is a thread about cars, so we are talking cars as in:
3)If you chose foreign (CARS) you are saying “I’m ok with unfair trade practices and companies that steal American jobs (in the Auto industry) and wealth”
You are correct that we have let industry after industry slip away and good jobs went with them. Are you suggesting that is a good route to continue on?
The reason the Auto industry is such a hot-button topic is that its different.
We still have (until recently I guess) a competitive auto industry that employed bookoo Americans in well paying jobs.
You can go onto a car lot and compare a made in America, by Americans car that is on par in price, reliability and efficiency with any country on the globe.
It was our manufacturing last stand. You could make a choice to support your country and not give up anything really. Or you could just as easily decide to send that $20k you earned in this country to Korea to circulate to the benefit of Korea and support Korean jobs.
Of course you can’t do that with computers and TVs anymore, maybe thats why you don’t see people debating the virtues of buying American made computers?
If we threw up trade sanctions that merely made everything FAIR to our automakers then that Accord of yours would have cost $4k more than it did. I’m guessing that would have got you to think about other makes.
This also answers Flu’s Q, which is to say that if we ourselves decided to buy American or the Gov. decided to level the playing field, and the cars sold in the US that are foriegn made suddenly became a lot less attractive (driving consumers to support their own makers) then even in a down market we could drive up GM’s sales saving many, many jobs.
I bet cutting out Korean, Japanese and German built cars would fix our industry pronto.
Call it trade survival. And when we have a healthy industry again and climb out of this hole we can go back to more open trade (hopefully slanted more fairly to the US).
June 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM #419809ParticipantDude, this is a thread about cars, so we are talking cars as in:
3)If you chose foreign (CARS) you are saying “I’m ok with unfair trade practices and companies that steal American jobs (in the Auto industry) and wealth”
You are correct that we have let industry after industry slip away and good jobs went with them. Are you suggesting that is a good route to continue on?
The reason the Auto industry is such a hot-button topic is that its different.
We still have (until recently I guess) a competitive auto industry that employed bookoo Americans in well paying jobs.
You can go onto a car lot and compare a made in America, by Americans car that is on par in price, reliability and efficiency with any country on the globe.
It was our manufacturing last stand. You could make a choice to support your country and not give up anything really. Or you could just as easily decide to send that $20k you earned in this country to Korea to circulate to the benefit of Korea and support Korean jobs.
Of course you can’t do that with computers and TVs anymore, maybe thats why you don’t see people debating the virtues of buying American made computers?
If we threw up trade sanctions that merely made everything FAIR to our automakers then that Accord of yours would have cost $4k more than it did. I’m guessing that would have got you to think about other makes.
This also answers Flu’s Q, which is to say that if we ourselves decided to buy American or the Gov. decided to level the playing field, and the cars sold in the US that are foriegn made suddenly became a lot less attractive (driving consumers to support their own makers) then even in a down market we could drive up GM’s sales saving many, many jobs.
I bet cutting out Korean, Japanese and German built cars would fix our industry pronto.
Call it trade survival. And when we have a healthy industry again and climb out of this hole we can go back to more open trade (hopefully slanted more fairly to the US).
June 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM #419877ParticipantDude, this is a thread about cars, so we are talking cars as in:
3)If you chose foreign (CARS) you are saying “I’m ok with unfair trade practices and companies that steal American jobs (in the Auto industry) and wealth”
You are correct that we have let industry after industry slip away and good jobs went with them. Are you suggesting that is a good route to continue on?
The reason the Auto industry is such a hot-button topic is that its different.
We still have (until recently I guess) a competitive auto industry that employed bookoo Americans in well paying jobs.
You can go onto a car lot and compare a made in America, by Americans car that is on par in price, reliability and efficiency with any country on the globe.
It was our manufacturing last stand. You could make a choice to support your country and not give up anything really. Or you could just as easily decide to send that $20k you earned in this country to Korea to circulate to the benefit of Korea and support Korean jobs.
Of course you can’t do that with computers and TVs anymore, maybe thats why you don’t see people debating the virtues of buying American made computers?
If we threw up trade sanctions that merely made everything FAIR to our automakers then that Accord of yours would have cost $4k more than it did. I’m guessing that would have got you to think about other makes.
This also answers Flu’s Q, which is to say that if we ourselves decided to buy American or the Gov. decided to level the playing field, and the cars sold in the US that are foriegn made suddenly became a lot less attractive (driving consumers to support their own makers) then even in a down market we could drive up GM’s sales saving many, many jobs.
I bet cutting out Korean, Japanese and German built cars would fix our industry pronto.
Call it trade survival. And when we have a healthy industry again and climb out of this hole we can go back to more open trade (hopefully slanted more fairly to the US).
June 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM #420038ParticipantDude, this is a thread about cars, so we are talking cars as in:
3)If you chose foreign (CARS) you are saying “I’m ok with unfair trade practices and companies that steal American jobs (in the Auto industry) and wealth”
You are correct that we have let industry after industry slip away and good jobs went with them. Are you suggesting that is a good route to continue on?
The reason the Auto industry is such a hot-button topic is that its different.
We still have (until recently I guess) a competitive auto industry that employed bookoo Americans in well paying jobs.
You can go onto a car lot and compare a made in America, by Americans car that is on par in price, reliability and efficiency with any country on the globe.
It was our manufacturing last stand. You could make a choice to support your country and not give up anything really. Or you could just as easily decide to send that $20k you earned in this country to Korea to circulate to the benefit of Korea and support Korean jobs.
Of course you can’t do that with computers and TVs anymore, maybe thats why you don’t see people debating the virtues of buying American made computers?
If we threw up trade sanctions that merely made everything FAIR to our automakers then that Accord of yours would have cost $4k more than it did. I’m guessing that would have got you to think about other makes.
This also answers Flu’s Q, which is to say that if we ourselves decided to buy American or the Gov. decided to level the playing field, and the cars sold in the US that are foriegn made suddenly became a lot less attractive (driving consumers to support their own makers) then even in a down market we could drive up GM’s sales saving many, many jobs.
I bet cutting out Korean, Japanese and German built cars would fix our industry pronto.
Call it trade survival. And when we have a healthy industry again and climb out of this hole we can go back to more open trade (hopefully slanted more fairly to the US).
June 23, 2009 at 11:09 PM #419560fm
Participant[quote=Rt.66]
Here’s a better apples to apples comparison to your work uniform, oops I mean Accord.
The Chevrolet Malibu is built in the USA and has a very high American made content and the profits from its sale stay in the US to help us.
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Chevrolet_Malibu/[/quote]
Did you not realize that the Chevy Malibu, and versions of it (Saturn, etc…) are based on the Opel designs from Germany? That is, or was (now that it’s to be sold), GM’s German/Europe division.
As I had pointed out, the way these cars drive are different, and I doubt you’d find someone that likes the sporty drive of a BMW or Audi would want to switch (even at a big $ savings), to a car that drives like a land yacht.
I drove a rental Mercury Mariner (2006 or 2007) and it drove very poorly compared to a 2001 Lexus RX300 (a friend’s car). I would not want the Mercury even at half the cost.
June 23, 2009 at 11:09 PM #419791Participant[quote=Rt.66]
Here’s a better apples to apples comparison to your work uniform, oops I mean Accord.
The Chevrolet Malibu is built in the USA and has a very high American made content and the profits from its sale stay in the US to help us.
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Chevrolet_Malibu/[/quote]
Did you not realize that the Chevy Malibu, and versions of it (Saturn, etc…) are based on the Opel designs from Germany? That is, or was (now that it’s to be sold), GM’s German/Europe division.
As I had pointed out, the way these cars drive are different, and I doubt you’d find someone that likes the sporty drive of a BMW or Audi would want to switch (even at a big $ savings), to a car that drives like a land yacht.
I drove a rental Mercury Mariner (2006 or 2007) and it drove very poorly compared to a 2001 Lexus RX300 (a friend’s car). I would not want the Mercury even at half the cost.
June 23, 2009 at 11:09 PM #420060Participant[quote=Rt.66]
Here’s a better apples to apples comparison to your work uniform, oops I mean Accord.
The Chevrolet Malibu is built in the USA and has a very high American made content and the profits from its sale stay in the US to help us.
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Chevrolet_Malibu/[/quote]
Did you not realize that the Chevy Malibu, and versions of it (Saturn, etc…) are based on the Opel designs from Germany? That is, or was (now that it’s to be sold), GM’s German/Europe division.
As I had pointed out, the way these cars drive are different, and I doubt you’d find someone that likes the sporty drive of a BMW or Audi would want to switch (even at a big $ savings), to a car that drives like a land yacht.
I drove a rental Mercury Mariner (2006 or 2007) and it drove very poorly compared to a 2001 Lexus RX300 (a friend’s car). I would not want the Mercury even at half the cost.
June 23, 2009 at 11:09 PM #420127Participant[quote=Rt.66]
Here’s a better apples to apples comparison to your work uniform, oops I mean Accord.
The Chevrolet Malibu is built in the USA and has a very high American made content and the profits from its sale stay in the US to help us.
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Chevrolet_Malibu/[/quote]
Did you not realize that the Chevy Malibu, and versions of it (Saturn, etc…) are based on the Opel designs from Germany? That is, or was (now that it’s to be sold), GM’s German/Europe division.
As I had pointed out, the way these cars drive are different, and I doubt you’d find someone that likes the sporty drive of a BMW or Audi would want to switch (even at a big $ savings), to a car that drives like a land yacht.
I drove a rental Mercury Mariner (2006 or 2007) and it drove very poorly compared to a 2001 Lexus RX300 (a friend’s car). I would not want the Mercury even at half the cost.
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