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June 23, 2009 at 11:52 AM #419963June 23, 2009 at 11:54 AM #419224CoronitaParticipant
[quote=Rt.66]Maybe the Challenger is not such a good example as its got a US engine and Tranny but assembled in Canada :([/quote]
Ditto could be said about the Camaro.
And the domestic part content of the Mustang is 65%.
BTW: the definition of “domestic” on the sticker is parts from U.S. OR Canada, so even that percentage isnt accurate…True part content sourced from U.S. probably is even lower.
And soon, buying a Chrysler isn’t going to be buying an “american car”. Profits will go to Fiat in the majority. And a good portion of Chrysler cars have a significantly lower domestic part content to begin with, shooting the argument down that buying a Chrysler contributes to more U.S. jobs than say a Toyota Sienna which sources 90% of the parts domestically.
Funny that this was discussed in the GM blogs…
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f19/cars-domestic-content-isnt-always-u-s-27177/
When it came to the automobile, made in America once meant just what it said, made right here in the U.S.A.Delco assembled radios in Kokomo. Guide made lights in Anderson. Remy turned out alternators in Anderson. Fisher Body stamped metal parts in Marion.
All of it was shipped to a General Motors vehicle assembly line — typically in Lansing or Flint, Pontiac or Detroit — and bolted onto a car.
That was made in America.
No more.
Today, the car is a prime example of the global economy.
Auto parts makers are using ever more foreign parts. And automakers think nothing of going abroad for major components.
General Motors’ Chevrolet Equinox SUV is made in a Japanese-GM joint venture plant in Canada with a Chinese engine.
Ford’s sporty Mustang, a new edition of its iconic 1966 coupe, is made in a Japanese-Ford joint venture plant and runs on a German V6.
Chrysler’s 300C luxury sedan was engineered in Michigan, is assembled in Ontario and uses a Mexican V8 engine and Kokomo transmission designed in Germany. Buy the car, and profits flow to DaimlerChrysler’s Stuttgart headquarters.
Stroll through a car lot these days, and you’ll find it’s hard to tell, even though automakers have made a stab at identifying the origin of their cars. But because auto parts often are sourced from an array of countries, the car’s actual origin can get blurry.
Automakers have stuck domestic content stickers on new cars and trucks since Congress passed the American Automobile Labeling Act in 1992.
Back then, Detroit automakers and the United Auto Workers union demanded labels, figuring loyal shoppers would buy “American” cars.
Chrysler, Ford and GM market share plunged anyway — reaching 55.7 percent combined in January, compared with 72.2 percent in 1992.
A recent national survey found only 25 percent of shoppers on car lots are aware content stickers are on vehicles.
According to the label law, the most American Japanese auto on the road is a minivan, the Sienna, assembled by Toyota in Princeton, Ind.
The Sienna scores 90 percent in domestic content.
But the number doesn’t tell the whole story.
Domestic content can include Canadian-made parts.
Even if every car part, all 4,000 or 5,000 pieces, were made in Canada, the window sticker would still say “100 percent domestic content.”
Blurring the picture even more is that 100 percent doesn’t really mean 100 percent.
Say a big piece of the car, the transmission, consists of 500 separate parts, and 30 percent of the parts are manufactured overseas. As long as 70 percent of the parts come from U.S. or Canadian plants, the entire transmission is labeled domestic content, analysts say.
Mexico makes tons of auto parts, but these parts are still considered “foreign.” The North American Free Trade Agreement that lowered U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade barriers came along a couple of years after the label law appeared.
That’s why GM’s full-size sport utilities such as the Chevrolet Suburban rate 61 percent domestic ….
June 23, 2009 at 11:54 AM #419456CoronitaParticipant[quote=Rt.66]Maybe the Challenger is not such a good example as its got a US engine and Tranny but assembled in Canada :([/quote]
Ditto could be said about the Camaro.
And the domestic part content of the Mustang is 65%.
BTW: the definition of “domestic” on the sticker is parts from U.S. OR Canada, so even that percentage isnt accurate…True part content sourced from U.S. probably is even lower.
And soon, buying a Chrysler isn’t going to be buying an “american car”. Profits will go to Fiat in the majority. And a good portion of Chrysler cars have a significantly lower domestic part content to begin with, shooting the argument down that buying a Chrysler contributes to more U.S. jobs than say a Toyota Sienna which sources 90% of the parts domestically.
Funny that this was discussed in the GM blogs…
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f19/cars-domestic-content-isnt-always-u-s-27177/
When it came to the automobile, made in America once meant just what it said, made right here in the U.S.A.Delco assembled radios in Kokomo. Guide made lights in Anderson. Remy turned out alternators in Anderson. Fisher Body stamped metal parts in Marion.
All of it was shipped to a General Motors vehicle assembly line — typically in Lansing or Flint, Pontiac or Detroit — and bolted onto a car.
That was made in America.
No more.
Today, the car is a prime example of the global economy.
Auto parts makers are using ever more foreign parts. And automakers think nothing of going abroad for major components.
General Motors’ Chevrolet Equinox SUV is made in a Japanese-GM joint venture plant in Canada with a Chinese engine.
Ford’s sporty Mustang, a new edition of its iconic 1966 coupe, is made in a Japanese-Ford joint venture plant and runs on a German V6.
Chrysler’s 300C luxury sedan was engineered in Michigan, is assembled in Ontario and uses a Mexican V8 engine and Kokomo transmission designed in Germany. Buy the car, and profits flow to DaimlerChrysler’s Stuttgart headquarters.
Stroll through a car lot these days, and you’ll find it’s hard to tell, even though automakers have made a stab at identifying the origin of their cars. But because auto parts often are sourced from an array of countries, the car’s actual origin can get blurry.
Automakers have stuck domestic content stickers on new cars and trucks since Congress passed the American Automobile Labeling Act in 1992.
Back then, Detroit automakers and the United Auto Workers union demanded labels, figuring loyal shoppers would buy “American” cars.
Chrysler, Ford and GM market share plunged anyway — reaching 55.7 percent combined in January, compared with 72.2 percent in 1992.
A recent national survey found only 25 percent of shoppers on car lots are aware content stickers are on vehicles.
According to the label law, the most American Japanese auto on the road is a minivan, the Sienna, assembled by Toyota in Princeton, Ind.
The Sienna scores 90 percent in domestic content.
But the number doesn’t tell the whole story.
Domestic content can include Canadian-made parts.
Even if every car part, all 4,000 or 5,000 pieces, were made in Canada, the window sticker would still say “100 percent domestic content.”
Blurring the picture even more is that 100 percent doesn’t really mean 100 percent.
Say a big piece of the car, the transmission, consists of 500 separate parts, and 30 percent of the parts are manufactured overseas. As long as 70 percent of the parts come from U.S. or Canadian plants, the entire transmission is labeled domestic content, analysts say.
Mexico makes tons of auto parts, but these parts are still considered “foreign.” The North American Free Trade Agreement that lowered U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade barriers came along a couple of years after the label law appeared.
That’s why GM’s full-size sport utilities such as the Chevrolet Suburban rate 61 percent domestic ….
June 23, 2009 at 11:54 AM #419724CoronitaParticipant[quote=Rt.66]Maybe the Challenger is not such a good example as its got a US engine and Tranny but assembled in Canada :([/quote]
Ditto could be said about the Camaro.
And the domestic part content of the Mustang is 65%.
BTW: the definition of “domestic” on the sticker is parts from U.S. OR Canada, so even that percentage isnt accurate…True part content sourced from U.S. probably is even lower.
And soon, buying a Chrysler isn’t going to be buying an “american car”. Profits will go to Fiat in the majority. And a good portion of Chrysler cars have a significantly lower domestic part content to begin with, shooting the argument down that buying a Chrysler contributes to more U.S. jobs than say a Toyota Sienna which sources 90% of the parts domestically.
Funny that this was discussed in the GM blogs…
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f19/cars-domestic-content-isnt-always-u-s-27177/
When it came to the automobile, made in America once meant just what it said, made right here in the U.S.A.Delco assembled radios in Kokomo. Guide made lights in Anderson. Remy turned out alternators in Anderson. Fisher Body stamped metal parts in Marion.
All of it was shipped to a General Motors vehicle assembly line — typically in Lansing or Flint, Pontiac or Detroit — and bolted onto a car.
That was made in America.
No more.
Today, the car is a prime example of the global economy.
Auto parts makers are using ever more foreign parts. And automakers think nothing of going abroad for major components.
General Motors’ Chevrolet Equinox SUV is made in a Japanese-GM joint venture plant in Canada with a Chinese engine.
Ford’s sporty Mustang, a new edition of its iconic 1966 coupe, is made in a Japanese-Ford joint venture plant and runs on a German V6.
Chrysler’s 300C luxury sedan was engineered in Michigan, is assembled in Ontario and uses a Mexican V8 engine and Kokomo transmission designed in Germany. Buy the car, and profits flow to DaimlerChrysler’s Stuttgart headquarters.
Stroll through a car lot these days, and you’ll find it’s hard to tell, even though automakers have made a stab at identifying the origin of their cars. But because auto parts often are sourced from an array of countries, the car’s actual origin can get blurry.
Automakers have stuck domestic content stickers on new cars and trucks since Congress passed the American Automobile Labeling Act in 1992.
Back then, Detroit automakers and the United Auto Workers union demanded labels, figuring loyal shoppers would buy “American” cars.
Chrysler, Ford and GM market share plunged anyway — reaching 55.7 percent combined in January, compared with 72.2 percent in 1992.
A recent national survey found only 25 percent of shoppers on car lots are aware content stickers are on vehicles.
According to the label law, the most American Japanese auto on the road is a minivan, the Sienna, assembled by Toyota in Princeton, Ind.
The Sienna scores 90 percent in domestic content.
But the number doesn’t tell the whole story.
Domestic content can include Canadian-made parts.
Even if every car part, all 4,000 or 5,000 pieces, were made in Canada, the window sticker would still say “100 percent domestic content.”
Blurring the picture even more is that 100 percent doesn’t really mean 100 percent.
Say a big piece of the car, the transmission, consists of 500 separate parts, and 30 percent of the parts are manufactured overseas. As long as 70 percent of the parts come from U.S. or Canadian plants, the entire transmission is labeled domestic content, analysts say.
Mexico makes tons of auto parts, but these parts are still considered “foreign.” The North American Free Trade Agreement that lowered U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade barriers came along a couple of years after the label law appeared.
That’s why GM’s full-size sport utilities such as the Chevrolet Suburban rate 61 percent domestic ….
June 23, 2009 at 11:54 AM #419792CoronitaParticipant[quote=Rt.66]Maybe the Challenger is not such a good example as its got a US engine and Tranny but assembled in Canada :([/quote]
Ditto could be said about the Camaro.
And the domestic part content of the Mustang is 65%.
BTW: the definition of “domestic” on the sticker is parts from U.S. OR Canada, so even that percentage isnt accurate…True part content sourced from U.S. probably is even lower.
And soon, buying a Chrysler isn’t going to be buying an “american car”. Profits will go to Fiat in the majority. And a good portion of Chrysler cars have a significantly lower domestic part content to begin with, shooting the argument down that buying a Chrysler contributes to more U.S. jobs than say a Toyota Sienna which sources 90% of the parts domestically.
Funny that this was discussed in the GM blogs…
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f19/cars-domestic-content-isnt-always-u-s-27177/
When it came to the automobile, made in America once meant just what it said, made right here in the U.S.A.Delco assembled radios in Kokomo. Guide made lights in Anderson. Remy turned out alternators in Anderson. Fisher Body stamped metal parts in Marion.
All of it was shipped to a General Motors vehicle assembly line — typically in Lansing or Flint, Pontiac or Detroit — and bolted onto a car.
That was made in America.
No more.
Today, the car is a prime example of the global economy.
Auto parts makers are using ever more foreign parts. And automakers think nothing of going abroad for major components.
General Motors’ Chevrolet Equinox SUV is made in a Japanese-GM joint venture plant in Canada with a Chinese engine.
Ford’s sporty Mustang, a new edition of its iconic 1966 coupe, is made in a Japanese-Ford joint venture plant and runs on a German V6.
Chrysler’s 300C luxury sedan was engineered in Michigan, is assembled in Ontario and uses a Mexican V8 engine and Kokomo transmission designed in Germany. Buy the car, and profits flow to DaimlerChrysler’s Stuttgart headquarters.
Stroll through a car lot these days, and you’ll find it’s hard to tell, even though automakers have made a stab at identifying the origin of their cars. But because auto parts often are sourced from an array of countries, the car’s actual origin can get blurry.
Automakers have stuck domestic content stickers on new cars and trucks since Congress passed the American Automobile Labeling Act in 1992.
Back then, Detroit automakers and the United Auto Workers union demanded labels, figuring loyal shoppers would buy “American” cars.
Chrysler, Ford and GM market share plunged anyway — reaching 55.7 percent combined in January, compared with 72.2 percent in 1992.
A recent national survey found only 25 percent of shoppers on car lots are aware content stickers are on vehicles.
According to the label law, the most American Japanese auto on the road is a minivan, the Sienna, assembled by Toyota in Princeton, Ind.
The Sienna scores 90 percent in domestic content.
But the number doesn’t tell the whole story.
Domestic content can include Canadian-made parts.
Even if every car part, all 4,000 or 5,000 pieces, were made in Canada, the window sticker would still say “100 percent domestic content.”
Blurring the picture even more is that 100 percent doesn’t really mean 100 percent.
Say a big piece of the car, the transmission, consists of 500 separate parts, and 30 percent of the parts are manufactured overseas. As long as 70 percent of the parts come from U.S. or Canadian plants, the entire transmission is labeled domestic content, analysts say.
Mexico makes tons of auto parts, but these parts are still considered “foreign.” The North American Free Trade Agreement that lowered U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade barriers came along a couple of years after the label law appeared.
That’s why GM’s full-size sport utilities such as the Chevrolet Suburban rate 61 percent domestic ….
June 23, 2009 at 11:54 AM #419953CoronitaParticipant[quote=Rt.66]Maybe the Challenger is not such a good example as its got a US engine and Tranny but assembled in Canada :([/quote]
Ditto could be said about the Camaro.
And the domestic part content of the Mustang is 65%.
BTW: the definition of “domestic” on the sticker is parts from U.S. OR Canada, so even that percentage isnt accurate…True part content sourced from U.S. probably is even lower.
And soon, buying a Chrysler isn’t going to be buying an “american car”. Profits will go to Fiat in the majority. And a good portion of Chrysler cars have a significantly lower domestic part content to begin with, shooting the argument down that buying a Chrysler contributes to more U.S. jobs than say a Toyota Sienna which sources 90% of the parts domestically.
Funny that this was discussed in the GM blogs…
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f19/cars-domestic-content-isnt-always-u-s-27177/
When it came to the automobile, made in America once meant just what it said, made right here in the U.S.A.Delco assembled radios in Kokomo. Guide made lights in Anderson. Remy turned out alternators in Anderson. Fisher Body stamped metal parts in Marion.
All of it was shipped to a General Motors vehicle assembly line — typically in Lansing or Flint, Pontiac or Detroit — and bolted onto a car.
That was made in America.
No more.
Today, the car is a prime example of the global economy.
Auto parts makers are using ever more foreign parts. And automakers think nothing of going abroad for major components.
General Motors’ Chevrolet Equinox SUV is made in a Japanese-GM joint venture plant in Canada with a Chinese engine.
Ford’s sporty Mustang, a new edition of its iconic 1966 coupe, is made in a Japanese-Ford joint venture plant and runs on a German V6.
Chrysler’s 300C luxury sedan was engineered in Michigan, is assembled in Ontario and uses a Mexican V8 engine and Kokomo transmission designed in Germany. Buy the car, and profits flow to DaimlerChrysler’s Stuttgart headquarters.
Stroll through a car lot these days, and you’ll find it’s hard to tell, even though automakers have made a stab at identifying the origin of their cars. But because auto parts often are sourced from an array of countries, the car’s actual origin can get blurry.
Automakers have stuck domestic content stickers on new cars and trucks since Congress passed the American Automobile Labeling Act in 1992.
Back then, Detroit automakers and the United Auto Workers union demanded labels, figuring loyal shoppers would buy “American” cars.
Chrysler, Ford and GM market share plunged anyway — reaching 55.7 percent combined in January, compared with 72.2 percent in 1992.
A recent national survey found only 25 percent of shoppers on car lots are aware content stickers are on vehicles.
According to the label law, the most American Japanese auto on the road is a minivan, the Sienna, assembled by Toyota in Princeton, Ind.
The Sienna scores 90 percent in domestic content.
But the number doesn’t tell the whole story.
Domestic content can include Canadian-made parts.
Even if every car part, all 4,000 or 5,000 pieces, were made in Canada, the window sticker would still say “100 percent domestic content.”
Blurring the picture even more is that 100 percent doesn’t really mean 100 percent.
Say a big piece of the car, the transmission, consists of 500 separate parts, and 30 percent of the parts are manufactured overseas. As long as 70 percent of the parts come from U.S. or Canadian plants, the entire transmission is labeled domestic content, analysts say.
Mexico makes tons of auto parts, but these parts are still considered “foreign.” The North American Free Trade Agreement that lowered U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade barriers came along a couple of years after the label law appeared.
That’s why GM’s full-size sport utilities such as the Chevrolet Suburban rate 61 percent domestic ….
June 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM #419244Rt.66
ParticipantPKMAN and Flu,
You guys make good points and the fact that some US assembled Japanese makes have higher domestic content than some US makes is not lost on me.To be sure the market has become confusing. I was really sad to hear both the Camero and Challenger will be assembled in Canada.
Still there are OK choices (US built with profits going to Japan) ((obviously better than 100% foreign)) and better choices (US built with profits staying here) for our country and its workers.
And yes it sucks that Chrysler went to Daimler then back to US ownership and thanks to our bad trade policies and lack of comparable Gov. support Chrysler looks headed to Fiat ownership.
The lack of demand for US made cars has obviously led to this degrading market and outsourcing of content. American car manufacturers see they need to compete on price and they also must fight trade policies that put them on a back foot even in their own country.
US makers know that few people search out US vehicles (many search out the opposite) so we the market/consumers are telling them to go ahead and build it where it’s cheapest.
If we start asking for and demanding more US built cars from US companies with higher US content then there will be a race to supply that.
If the Accord and Camry buyers out there start walking into Chevy dealers and telling them they want a car built in the US by an American company then you can be sure good things will happen for workers in this country and for tax revenue to states and the Federal Gov.
The infrastructure is still there, we can still have a rebirth of the American auto industry. As luck would have it we are building cars as good or better than anyone.
As bad luck would have it, too many would still rather send profits to Japan hoping to gain a tiny personal advantage for themselves at the expense of THEIR nation.
June 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM #419476ParticipantPKMAN and Flu,
You guys make good points and the fact that some US assembled Japanese makes have higher domestic content than some US makes is not lost on me.To be sure the market has become confusing. I was really sad to hear both the Camero and Challenger will be assembled in Canada.
Still there are OK choices (US built with profits going to Japan) ((obviously better than 100% foreign)) and better choices (US built with profits staying here) for our country and its workers.
And yes it sucks that Chrysler went to Daimler then back to US ownership and thanks to our bad trade policies and lack of comparable Gov. support Chrysler looks headed to Fiat ownership.
The lack of demand for US made cars has obviously led to this degrading market and outsourcing of content. American car manufacturers see they need to compete on price and they also must fight trade policies that put them on a back foot even in their own country.
US makers know that few people search out US vehicles (many search out the opposite) so we the market/consumers are telling them to go ahead and build it where it’s cheapest.
If we start asking for and demanding more US built cars from US companies with higher US content then there will be a race to supply that.
If the Accord and Camry buyers out there start walking into Chevy dealers and telling them they want a car built in the US by an American company then you can be sure good things will happen for workers in this country and for tax revenue to states and the Federal Gov.
The infrastructure is still there, we can still have a rebirth of the American auto industry. As luck would have it we are building cars as good or better than anyone.
As bad luck would have it, too many would still rather send profits to Japan hoping to gain a tiny personal advantage for themselves at the expense of THEIR nation.
June 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM #419744ParticipantPKMAN and Flu,
You guys make good points and the fact that some US assembled Japanese makes have higher domestic content than some US makes is not lost on me.To be sure the market has become confusing. I was really sad to hear both the Camero and Challenger will be assembled in Canada.
Still there are OK choices (US built with profits going to Japan) ((obviously better than 100% foreign)) and better choices (US built with profits staying here) for our country and its workers.
And yes it sucks that Chrysler went to Daimler then back to US ownership and thanks to our bad trade policies and lack of comparable Gov. support Chrysler looks headed to Fiat ownership.
The lack of demand for US made cars has obviously led to this degrading market and outsourcing of content. American car manufacturers see they need to compete on price and they also must fight trade policies that put them on a back foot even in their own country.
US makers know that few people search out US vehicles (many search out the opposite) so we the market/consumers are telling them to go ahead and build it where it’s cheapest.
If we start asking for and demanding more US built cars from US companies with higher US content then there will be a race to supply that.
If the Accord and Camry buyers out there start walking into Chevy dealers and telling them they want a car built in the US by an American company then you can be sure good things will happen for workers in this country and for tax revenue to states and the Federal Gov.
The infrastructure is still there, we can still have a rebirth of the American auto industry. As luck would have it we are building cars as good or better than anyone.
As bad luck would have it, too many would still rather send profits to Japan hoping to gain a tiny personal advantage for themselves at the expense of THEIR nation.
June 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM #419812ParticipantPKMAN and Flu,
You guys make good points and the fact that some US assembled Japanese makes have higher domestic content than some US makes is not lost on me.To be sure the market has become confusing. I was really sad to hear both the Camero and Challenger will be assembled in Canada.
Still there are OK choices (US built with profits going to Japan) ((obviously better than 100% foreign)) and better choices (US built with profits staying here) for our country and its workers.
And yes it sucks that Chrysler went to Daimler then back to US ownership and thanks to our bad trade policies and lack of comparable Gov. support Chrysler looks headed to Fiat ownership.
The lack of demand for US made cars has obviously led to this degrading market and outsourcing of content. American car manufacturers see they need to compete on price and they also must fight trade policies that put them on a back foot even in their own country.
US makers know that few people search out US vehicles (many search out the opposite) so we the market/consumers are telling them to go ahead and build it where it’s cheapest.
If we start asking for and demanding more US built cars from US companies with higher US content then there will be a race to supply that.
If the Accord and Camry buyers out there start walking into Chevy dealers and telling them they want a car built in the US by an American company then you can be sure good things will happen for workers in this country and for tax revenue to states and the Federal Gov.
The infrastructure is still there, we can still have a rebirth of the American auto industry. As luck would have it we are building cars as good or better than anyone.
As bad luck would have it, too many would still rather send profits to Japan hoping to gain a tiny personal advantage for themselves at the expense of THEIR nation.
June 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM #419973ParticipantPKMAN and Flu,
You guys make good points and the fact that some US assembled Japanese makes have higher domestic content than some US makes is not lost on me.To be sure the market has become confusing. I was really sad to hear both the Camero and Challenger will be assembled in Canada.
Still there are OK choices (US built with profits going to Japan) ((obviously better than 100% foreign)) and better choices (US built with profits staying here) for our country and its workers.
And yes it sucks that Chrysler went to Daimler then back to US ownership and thanks to our bad trade policies and lack of comparable Gov. support Chrysler looks headed to Fiat ownership.
The lack of demand for US made cars has obviously led to this degrading market and outsourcing of content. American car manufacturers see they need to compete on price and they also must fight trade policies that put them on a back foot even in their own country.
US makers know that few people search out US vehicles (many search out the opposite) so we the market/consumers are telling them to go ahead and build it where it’s cheapest.
If we start asking for and demanding more US built cars from US companies with higher US content then there will be a race to supply that.
If the Accord and Camry buyers out there start walking into Chevy dealers and telling them they want a car built in the US by an American company then you can be sure good things will happen for workers in this country and for tax revenue to states and the Federal Gov.
The infrastructure is still there, we can still have a rebirth of the American auto industry. As luck would have it we are building cars as good or better than anyone.
As bad luck would have it, too many would still rather send profits to Japan hoping to gain a tiny personal advantage for themselves at the expense of THEIR nation.
June 23, 2009 at 12:39 PM #419249CoronitaParticipant[quote=Rt.66]PKMAN and Flu,
You guys make good points and the fact that some US assembled Japanese makes have higher domestic content than some US makes is not lost on me.To be sure the market has become confusing. I was really sad to hear both the Camero and Challenger will be assembled in Canada.
Still there are OK choices (US built with profits going to Japan) ((obviously better than 100% foreign)) and better choices (US built with profits staying here) for our country and its workers.
And yes it sucks that Chrysler went to Daimler then back to US ownership and thanks to our bad trade policies and lack of comparable Gov. support Chrysler looks headed to Fiat ownership.
The lack of demand for US made cars has obviously led to this degrading market and outsourcing of content. American car manufacturers see they need to compete on price and they also must fight trade policies that put them on a back foot even in their own country.
US makers know that few people search out US vehicles (many search out the opposite) so we the market/consumers are telling them to go ahead and build it where it’s cheapest.
If we start asking for and demanding more US built cars from US companies with higher US content then there will be a race to supply that.
If the Accord and Camry buyers out there start walking into Chevy dealers and telling them they want a car built in the US by an American company then you can be sure good things will happen for workers in this country and for tax revenue to states and the Federal Gov.
The infrastructure is still there, we can still have a rebirth of the American auto industry. As luck would have it we are building cars as good or better than anyone.
As bad luck would have it, too many would still rather send profits to Japan hoping to gain a tiny personal advantage for themselves at the expense of THEIR nation.
[/quote]Well, not to sound partial…But if you stop and notice most of the more appealing GM/Fords are assembled with global resources. And it’s probably because companies do this to mix and match what is best at what can be done by each individual teams.
A good percentage of the Buicks (interior specifically) are designed in GM Shanghai, for instance There aren’t that many domestically sourced vehicles 100% because it’s not competitive to do this. It’s not just about labor, but the entire packaging because cars are complex machines. There will be things that move overseas as a result of globalization, and not all of them are for cost reasons.My full time employer uses/hires employees in multiple parts of the world including the U.S., Asian, and Europe, for many reasons. Partly to maintain a 24 hr development team, partly because some teams overseas have capabilities our domestic team don’t have, and we’re still looking for domestic employees that complement what we’re good at doing. And frankly, some of the European employees are paid much higher comp packages than our domestic ones, simply because local laws, taxes,etc. But it enables us to turn profits domestic, and foreign markets…
This is how globalization works, and it’s increasingly important for U.S. companies considering most likely growth will be overseas. Buick sales have hit 2million in China already, the last 1 million in 3 years, for instance…The U.S. probably isn’t going to be the largest auto market moving forward.
June 23, 2009 at 12:39 PM #419481CoronitaParticipant[quote=Rt.66]PKMAN and Flu,
You guys make good points and the fact that some US assembled Japanese makes have higher domestic content than some US makes is not lost on me.To be sure the market has become confusing. I was really sad to hear both the Camero and Challenger will be assembled in Canada.
Still there are OK choices (US built with profits going to Japan) ((obviously better than 100% foreign)) and better choices (US built with profits staying here) for our country and its workers.
And yes it sucks that Chrysler went to Daimler then back to US ownership and thanks to our bad trade policies and lack of comparable Gov. support Chrysler looks headed to Fiat ownership.
The lack of demand for US made cars has obviously led to this degrading market and outsourcing of content. American car manufacturers see they need to compete on price and they also must fight trade policies that put them on a back foot even in their own country.
US makers know that few people search out US vehicles (many search out the opposite) so we the market/consumers are telling them to go ahead and build it where it’s cheapest.
If we start asking for and demanding more US built cars from US companies with higher US content then there will be a race to supply that.
If the Accord and Camry buyers out there start walking into Chevy dealers and telling them they want a car built in the US by an American company then you can be sure good things will happen for workers in this country and for tax revenue to states and the Federal Gov.
The infrastructure is still there, we can still have a rebirth of the American auto industry. As luck would have it we are building cars as good or better than anyone.
As bad luck would have it, too many would still rather send profits to Japan hoping to gain a tiny personal advantage for themselves at the expense of THEIR nation.
[/quote]Well, not to sound partial…But if you stop and notice most of the more appealing GM/Fords are assembled with global resources. And it’s probably because companies do this to mix and match what is best at what can be done by each individual teams.
A good percentage of the Buicks (interior specifically) are designed in GM Shanghai, for instance There aren’t that many domestically sourced vehicles 100% because it’s not competitive to do this. It’s not just about labor, but the entire packaging because cars are complex machines. There will be things that move overseas as a result of globalization, and not all of them are for cost reasons.My full time employer uses/hires employees in multiple parts of the world including the U.S., Asian, and Europe, for many reasons. Partly to maintain a 24 hr development team, partly because some teams overseas have capabilities our domestic team don’t have, and we’re still looking for domestic employees that complement what we’re good at doing. And frankly, some of the European employees are paid much higher comp packages than our domestic ones, simply because local laws, taxes,etc. But it enables us to turn profits domestic, and foreign markets…
This is how globalization works, and it’s increasingly important for U.S. companies considering most likely growth will be overseas. Buick sales have hit 2million in China already, the last 1 million in 3 years, for instance…The U.S. probably isn’t going to be the largest auto market moving forward.
June 23, 2009 at 12:39 PM #419749CoronitaParticipant[quote=Rt.66]PKMAN and Flu,
You guys make good points and the fact that some US assembled Japanese makes have higher domestic content than some US makes is not lost on me.To be sure the market has become confusing. I was really sad to hear both the Camero and Challenger will be assembled in Canada.
Still there are OK choices (US built with profits going to Japan) ((obviously better than 100% foreign)) and better choices (US built with profits staying here) for our country and its workers.
And yes it sucks that Chrysler went to Daimler then back to US ownership and thanks to our bad trade policies and lack of comparable Gov. support Chrysler looks headed to Fiat ownership.
The lack of demand for US made cars has obviously led to this degrading market and outsourcing of content. American car manufacturers see they need to compete on price and they also must fight trade policies that put them on a back foot even in their own country.
US makers know that few people search out US vehicles (many search out the opposite) so we the market/consumers are telling them to go ahead and build it where it’s cheapest.
If we start asking for and demanding more US built cars from US companies with higher US content then there will be a race to supply that.
If the Accord and Camry buyers out there start walking into Chevy dealers and telling them they want a car built in the US by an American company then you can be sure good things will happen for workers in this country and for tax revenue to states and the Federal Gov.
The infrastructure is still there, we can still have a rebirth of the American auto industry. As luck would have it we are building cars as good or better than anyone.
As bad luck would have it, too many would still rather send profits to Japan hoping to gain a tiny personal advantage for themselves at the expense of THEIR nation.
[/quote]Well, not to sound partial…But if you stop and notice most of the more appealing GM/Fords are assembled with global resources. And it’s probably because companies do this to mix and match what is best at what can be done by each individual teams.
A good percentage of the Buicks (interior specifically) are designed in GM Shanghai, for instance There aren’t that many domestically sourced vehicles 100% because it’s not competitive to do this. It’s not just about labor, but the entire packaging because cars are complex machines. There will be things that move overseas as a result of globalization, and not all of them are for cost reasons.My full time employer uses/hires employees in multiple parts of the world including the U.S., Asian, and Europe, for many reasons. Partly to maintain a 24 hr development team, partly because some teams overseas have capabilities our domestic team don’t have, and we’re still looking for domestic employees that complement what we’re good at doing. And frankly, some of the European employees are paid much higher comp packages than our domestic ones, simply because local laws, taxes,etc. But it enables us to turn profits domestic, and foreign markets…
This is how globalization works, and it’s increasingly important for U.S. companies considering most likely growth will be overseas. Buick sales have hit 2million in China already, the last 1 million in 3 years, for instance…The U.S. probably isn’t going to be the largest auto market moving forward.
June 23, 2009 at 12:39 PM #419817CoronitaParticipant[quote=Rt.66]PKMAN and Flu,
You guys make good points and the fact that some US assembled Japanese makes have higher domestic content than some US makes is not lost on me.To be sure the market has become confusing. I was really sad to hear both the Camero and Challenger will be assembled in Canada.
Still there are OK choices (US built with profits going to Japan) ((obviously better than 100% foreign)) and better choices (US built with profits staying here) for our country and its workers.
And yes it sucks that Chrysler went to Daimler then back to US ownership and thanks to our bad trade policies and lack of comparable Gov. support Chrysler looks headed to Fiat ownership.
The lack of demand for US made cars has obviously led to this degrading market and outsourcing of content. American car manufacturers see they need to compete on price and they also must fight trade policies that put them on a back foot even in their own country.
US makers know that few people search out US vehicles (many search out the opposite) so we the market/consumers are telling them to go ahead and build it where it’s cheapest.
If we start asking for and demanding more US built cars from US companies with higher US content then there will be a race to supply that.
If the Accord and Camry buyers out there start walking into Chevy dealers and telling them they want a car built in the US by an American company then you can be sure good things will happen for workers in this country and for tax revenue to states and the Federal Gov.
The infrastructure is still there, we can still have a rebirth of the American auto industry. As luck would have it we are building cars as good or better than anyone.
As bad luck would have it, too many would still rather send profits to Japan hoping to gain a tiny personal advantage for themselves at the expense of THEIR nation.
[/quote]Well, not to sound partial…But if you stop and notice most of the more appealing GM/Fords are assembled with global resources. And it’s probably because companies do this to mix and match what is best at what can be done by each individual teams.
A good percentage of the Buicks (interior specifically) are designed in GM Shanghai, for instance There aren’t that many domestically sourced vehicles 100% because it’s not competitive to do this. It’s not just about labor, but the entire packaging because cars are complex machines. There will be things that move overseas as a result of globalization, and not all of them are for cost reasons.My full time employer uses/hires employees in multiple parts of the world including the U.S., Asian, and Europe, for many reasons. Partly to maintain a 24 hr development team, partly because some teams overseas have capabilities our domestic team don’t have, and we’re still looking for domestic employees that complement what we’re good at doing. And frankly, some of the European employees are paid much higher comp packages than our domestic ones, simply because local laws, taxes,etc. But it enables us to turn profits domestic, and foreign markets…
This is how globalization works, and it’s increasingly important for U.S. companies considering most likely growth will be overseas. Buick sales have hit 2million in China already, the last 1 million in 3 years, for instance…The U.S. probably isn’t going to be the largest auto market moving forward.
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