Tiger Woods

[KSMountain]

Pretty good analysis/advice davelj. I would only add that it’s probably not strictly prostitution per se for Elin – she probably does put value on an outcome that keeps the family together.

Now, if that outcome is just completely unlikely, or completely unlikely with all parties happy for the mid/long term, then yeah I guess she should cut bait.

But I guess, is there really a hurry? Does she have to blow up her family right now just to please us? Seems like she could give it a few months to see if there is *any* possibility of salvaging the thing. Which I think there may not be…

[davelj]

[quote=KSMountain]Pretty good analysis/advice davelj. I would only add that it’s probably not strictly prostitution per se for Elin – she probably does put value on an outcome that keeps the family together.[/quote]

Agreed. That’s a good point. Some of this can be attributed to “family” as opposed to merely “individual” issues. Still… the ratcheting up of payment provisions well beyond what any family “needs” to live quite comfortably (in exchange for staying)… I come back to the P-word.

[quote=KSMountain]
But I guess, is there really a hurry? Does she have to blow up her family right now just to please us? Seems like she could give it a few months to see if there is *any* possibility of salvaging the thing. Which I think there may not be…[/quote]

There is no salvaging this thing. Tiger has made it abundantly clear that having variety in his sex life is extremely important – look at what’s transpired! So, let’s just assume for argument’s sake that Tiger’s going to be faithful for next several years. Can Elin be content knowing that when Tiger’s having sex with her he’s imagining other women, if he has any desire to have sex with her at all? That’s hard to believe. I think it’s better if they’re just honest with themselves and move on. Tiger can change his actions for a while, but what’s going on in his brain is never going to change.

[davelj]

[quote=KSMountain]Pretty good analysis/advice davelj. I would only add that it’s probably not strictly prostitution per se for Elin – she probably does put value on an outcome that keeps the family together.[/quote]

Agreed. That’s a good point. Some of this can be attributed to “family” as opposed to merely “individual” issues. Still… the ratcheting up of payment provisions well beyond what any family “needs” to live quite comfortably (in exchange for staying)… I come back to the P-word.

[quote=KSMountain]
But I guess, is there really a hurry? Does she have to blow up her family right now just to please us? Seems like she could give it a few months to see if there is *any* possibility of salvaging the thing. Which I think there may not be…[/quote]

There is no salvaging this thing. Tiger has made it abundantly clear that having variety in his sex life is extremely important – look at what’s transpired! So, let’s just assume for argument’s sake that Tiger’s going to be faithful for next several years. Can Elin be content knowing that when Tiger’s having sex with her he’s imagining other women, if he has any desire to have sex with her at all? That’s hard to believe. I think it’s better if they’re just honest with themselves and move on. Tiger can change his actions for a while, but what’s going on in his brain is never going to change.

[davelj]

[quote=KSMountain]Pretty good analysis/advice davelj. I would only add that it’s probably not strictly prostitution per se for Elin – she probably does put value on an outcome that keeps the family together.[/quote]

Agreed. That’s a good point. Some of this can be attributed to “family” as opposed to merely “individual” issues. Still… the ratcheting up of payment provisions well beyond what any family “needs” to live quite comfortably (in exchange for staying)… I come back to the P-word.

[quote=KSMountain]
But I guess, is there really a hurry? Does she have to blow up her family right now just to please us? Seems like she could give it a few months to see if there is *any* possibility of salvaging the thing. Which I think there may not be…[/quote]

There is no salvaging this thing. Tiger has made it abundantly clear that having variety in his sex life is extremely important – look at what’s transpired! So, let’s just assume for argument’s sake that Tiger’s going to be faithful for next several years. Can Elin be content knowing that when Tiger’s having sex with her he’s imagining other women, if he has any desire to have sex with her at all? That’s hard to believe. I think it’s better if they’re just honest with themselves and move on. Tiger can change his actions for a while, but what’s going on in his brain is never going to change.

[davelj]

[quote=KSMountain]Pretty good analysis/advice davelj. I would only add that it’s probably not strictly prostitution per se for Elin – she probably does put value on an outcome that keeps the family together.[/quote]

Agreed. That’s a good point. Some of this can be attributed to “family” as opposed to merely “individual” issues. Still… the ratcheting up of payment provisions well beyond what any family “needs” to live quite comfortably (in exchange for staying)… I come back to the P-word.

[quote=KSMountain]
But I guess, is there really a hurry? Does she have to blow up her family right now just to please us? Seems like she could give it a few months to see if there is *any* possibility of salvaging the thing. Which I think there may not be…[/quote]

There is no salvaging this thing. Tiger has made it abundantly clear that having variety in his sex life is extremely important – look at what’s transpired! So, let’s just assume for argument’s sake that Tiger’s going to be faithful for next several years. Can Elin be content knowing that when Tiger’s having sex with her he’s imagining other women, if he has any desire to have sex with her at all? That’s hard to believe. I think it’s better if they’re just honest with themselves and move on. Tiger can change his actions for a while, but what’s going on in his brain is never going to change.

[davelj]

[quote=KSMountain]Pretty good analysis/advice davelj. I would only add that it’s probably not strictly prostitution per se for Elin – she probably does put value on an outcome that keeps the family together.[/quote]

Agreed. That’s a good point. Some of this can be attributed to “family” as opposed to merely “individual” issues. Still… the ratcheting up of payment provisions well beyond what any family “needs” to live quite comfortably (in exchange for staying)… I come back to the P-word.

[quote=KSMountain]
But I guess, is there really a hurry? Does she have to blow up her family right now just to please us? Seems like she could give it a few months to see if there is *any* possibility of salvaging the thing. Which I think there may not be…[/quote]

There is no salvaging this thing. Tiger has made it abundantly clear that having variety in his sex life is extremely important – look at what’s transpired! So, let’s just assume for argument’s sake that Tiger’s going to be faithful for next several years. Can Elin be content knowing that when Tiger’s having sex with her he’s imagining other women, if he has any desire to have sex with her at all? That’s hard to believe. I think it’s better if they’re just honest with themselves and move on. Tiger can change his actions for a while, but what’s going on in his brain is never going to change.

[fredo4]

[quote=davelj]
As Chris Rock has pointed out: “A man is only as faithful as his opportunities.” It’s when a man tries to deny this fundamental truth that he gets himself into trouble.[/quote]

I think that this is true (in many cases) for both men and women, which is why Hollywood is so full of divorce. It’s also why child actors don’t tend to fare well- too many opportunities at too young an age. It’s one of the reasons why I’ve never wanted to be famous. While the allure is obvious, it seems similar to life as a drug addict. All cheap highs and no lasting happiness and satisfaction. To me life is all about balance, and unless you are very wise and well disciplined, fame and too much money can ruin everything.

[fredo4]

[quote=davelj]
As Chris Rock has pointed out: “A man is only as faithful as his opportunities.” It’s when a man tries to deny this fundamental truth that he gets himself into trouble.[/quote]

I think that this is true (in many cases) for both men and women, which is why Hollywood is so full of divorce. It’s also why child actors don’t tend to fare well- too many opportunities at too young an age. It’s one of the reasons why I’ve never wanted to be famous. While the allure is obvious, it seems similar to life as a drug addict. All cheap highs and no lasting happiness and satisfaction. To me life is all about balance, and unless you are very wise and well disciplined, fame and too much money can ruin everything.

[fredo4]

[quote=davelj]
As Chris Rock has pointed out: “A man is only as faithful as his opportunities.” It’s when a man tries to deny this fundamental truth that he gets himself into trouble.[/quote]

I think that this is true (in many cases) for both men and women, which is why Hollywood is so full of divorce. It’s also why child actors don’t tend to fare well- too many opportunities at too young an age. It’s one of the reasons why I’ve never wanted to be famous. While the allure is obvious, it seems similar to life as a drug addict. All cheap highs and no lasting happiness and satisfaction. To me life is all about balance, and unless you are very wise and well disciplined, fame and too much money can ruin everything.

[fredo4]

[quote=davelj]
As Chris Rock has pointed out: “A man is only as faithful as his opportunities.” It’s when a man tries to deny this fundamental truth that he gets himself into trouble.[/quote]

I think that this is true (in many cases) for both men and women, which is why Hollywood is so full of divorce. It’s also why child actors don’t tend to fare well- too many opportunities at too young an age. It’s one of the reasons why I’ve never wanted to be famous. While the allure is obvious, it seems similar to life as a drug addict. All cheap highs and no lasting happiness and satisfaction. To me life is all about balance, and unless you are very wise and well disciplined, fame and too much money can ruin everything.

[fredo4]

[quote=davelj]
As Chris Rock has pointed out: “A man is only as faithful as his opportunities.” It’s when a man tries to deny this fundamental truth that he gets himself into trouble.[/quote]

I think that this is true (in many cases) for both men and women, which is why Hollywood is so full of divorce. It’s also why child actors don’t tend to fare well- too many opportunities at too young an age. It’s one of the reasons why I’ve never wanted to be famous. While the allure is obvious, it seems similar to life as a drug addict. All cheap highs and no lasting happiness and satisfaction. To me life is all about balance, and unless you are very wise and well disciplined, fame and too much money can ruin everything.

[davelj]

[quote=fredo4][quote=davelj]
As Chris Rock has pointed out: “A man is only as faithful as his opportunities.” It’s when a man tries to deny this fundamental truth that he gets himself into trouble.[/quote]

I think that this is true (in many cases) for both men and women, which is why Hollywood is so full of divorce. It’s also why child actors don’t tend to fare well- too many opportunities at too young an age. It’s one of the reasons why I’ve never wanted to be famous. While the allure is obvious, it seems similar to life as a drug addict. All cheap highs and no lasting happiness and satisfaction. To me life is all about balance, and unless you are very wise and well disciplined, fame and too much money can ruin everything.[/quote]

I see what you’re saying but I see no reason why money/fame can’t lead to lasting happiness and satisfaction. The problem is that too many folks look for such contentment outside of themselves – and money/fame enables this. I’ve said it here many times and it’s the dumbest of cliches, but it also happens to be true: contentment resides within. No one is going to make you truly happy but yourself – not spouses, family, kids, etc. These may provide bursts of happiness but it is largely ephemeral. It is only within the mushy substance inside your skull where you can find true contentment. But you did qualify your statement with your last sentence, so… I can’t really disagree.

[davelj]

[quote=fredo4][quote=davelj]
As Chris Rock has pointed out: “A man is only as faithful as his opportunities.” It’s when a man tries to deny this fundamental truth that he gets himself into trouble.[/quote]

I think that this is true (in many cases) for both men and women, which is why Hollywood is so full of divorce. It’s also why child actors don’t tend to fare well- too many opportunities at too young an age. It’s one of the reasons why I’ve never wanted to be famous. While the allure is obvious, it seems similar to life as a drug addict. All cheap highs and no lasting happiness and satisfaction. To me life is all about balance, and unless you are very wise and well disciplined, fame and too much money can ruin everything.[/quote]

I see what you’re saying but I see no reason why money/fame can’t lead to lasting happiness and satisfaction. The problem is that too many folks look for such contentment outside of themselves – and money/fame enables this. I’ve said it here many times and it’s the dumbest of cliches, but it also happens to be true: contentment resides within. No one is going to make you truly happy but yourself – not spouses, family, kids, etc. These may provide bursts of happiness but it is largely ephemeral. It is only within the mushy substance inside your skull where you can find true contentment. But you did qualify your statement with your last sentence, so… I can’t really disagree.

[davelj]

[quote=fredo4][quote=davelj]
As Chris Rock has pointed out: “A man is only as faithful as his opportunities.” It’s when a man tries to deny this fundamental truth that he gets himself into trouble.[/quote]

I think that this is true (in many cases) for both men and women, which is why Hollywood is so full of divorce. It’s also why child actors don’t tend to fare well- too many opportunities at too young an age. It’s one of the reasons why I’ve never wanted to be famous. While the allure is obvious, it seems similar to life as a drug addict. All cheap highs and no lasting happiness and satisfaction. To me life is all about balance, and unless you are very wise and well disciplined, fame and too much money can ruin everything.[/quote]

I see what you’re saying but I see no reason why money/fame can’t lead to lasting happiness and satisfaction. The problem is that too many folks look for such contentment outside of themselves – and money/fame enables this. I’ve said it here many times and it’s the dumbest of cliches, but it also happens to be true: contentment resides within. No one is going to make you truly happy but yourself – not spouses, family, kids, etc. These may provide bursts of happiness but it is largely ephemeral. It is only within the mushy substance inside your skull where you can find true contentment. But you did qualify your statement with your last sentence, so… I can’t really disagree.

[davelj]

[quote=fredo4][quote=davelj]
As Chris Rock has pointed out: “A man is only as faithful as his opportunities.” It’s when a man tries to deny this fundamental truth that he gets himself into trouble.[/quote]

I think that this is true (in many cases) for both men and women, which is why Hollywood is so full of divorce. It’s also why child actors don’t tend to fare well- too many opportunities at too young an age. It’s one of the reasons why I’ve never wanted to be famous. While the allure is obvious, it seems similar to life as a drug addict. All cheap highs and no lasting happiness and satisfaction. To me life is all about balance, and unless you are very wise and well disciplined, fame and too much money can ruin everything.[/quote]

I see what you’re saying but I see no reason why money/fame can’t lead to lasting happiness and satisfaction. The problem is that too many folks look for such contentment outside of themselves – and money/fame enables this. I’ve said it here many times and it’s the dumbest of cliches, but it also happens to be true: contentment resides within. No one is going to make you truly happy but yourself – not spouses, family, kids, etc. These may provide bursts of happiness but it is largely ephemeral. It is only within the mushy substance inside your skull where you can find true contentment. But you did qualify your statement with your last sentence, so… I can’t really disagree.

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