Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[Anonymous]

[quote=ucodegen]

Ucodegen mentioned he is “basically” self-insured. Although I don’t know the details, I would guess he does not mean that literally.

Wrong, literally/actually/for real… in liquid assets. I hope this is now clear..

Did anyone try the ‘little exercise’ I mentioned? Take and sum up all the payments you have made into ‘health insurance’ and apply an inside rate of return?.. or would you rather take pot-shots at people.[/quote]
No offense intended. Wish we could all afford to keep enough liquid assets to cover all health needs. In an imperfect world we do need health insurance. I am not a fan of how it is run — in the least — but was trying to point out the necessity of coming to an agreement on how to cover the costs for at least most of the people.

[jpinpb]

Yes, Brian. The option is there if someone doesn’t want government care to seek other means. But I didn’t get the impression that the care was that bad. For example, pregnant women aren’t shoved out of the hospital the day after delivery or anything crazy like that, in fact, almost the opposite. I think for certain surgeries there may be a wait. I think that’s the complaint I’ve heard the most is having to wait. But the care provided was not a problem.

[jpinpb]

Yes, Brian. The option is there if someone doesn’t want government care to seek other means. But I didn’t get the impression that the care was that bad. For example, pregnant women aren’t shoved out of the hospital the day after delivery or anything crazy like that, in fact, almost the opposite. I think for certain surgeries there may be a wait. I think that’s the complaint I’ve heard the most is having to wait. But the care provided was not a problem.

[jpinpb]

Yes, Brian. The option is there if someone doesn’t want government care to seek other means. But I didn’t get the impression that the care was that bad. For example, pregnant women aren’t shoved out of the hospital the day after delivery or anything crazy like that, in fact, almost the opposite. I think for certain surgeries there may be a wait. I think that’s the complaint I’ve heard the most is having to wait. But the care provided was not a problem.

[jpinpb]

Yes, Brian. The option is there if someone doesn’t want government care to seek other means. But I didn’t get the impression that the care was that bad. For example, pregnant women aren’t shoved out of the hospital the day after delivery or anything crazy like that, in fact, almost the opposite. I think for certain surgeries there may be a wait. I think that’s the complaint I’ve heard the most is having to wait. But the care provided was not a problem.

[jpinpb]

Yes, Brian. The option is there if someone doesn’t want government care to seek other means. But I didn’t get the impression that the care was that bad. For example, pregnant women aren’t shoved out of the hospital the day after delivery or anything crazy like that, in fact, almost the opposite. I think for certain surgeries there may be a wait. I think that’s the complaint I’ve heard the most is having to wait. But the care provided was not a problem.

[ucodegen]

I would have supported a bill supporting a health savings bill, where one saves for medical needs, and for which certain critical treatments are negotiated. Well, I guess we suck as a nation at saving, so that probably won’t work.

This is what I was hoping for.. plus the ability to allow the savings plan to be passed on/inherited. Add in not being able to be canceled out of a policy you have been paying into for years just because you now became a liability to the insurance company, ban on region pricing for pharmaceuticals (well at least one of these got into the bill). Looking at why hospital rooms are so expensive would also have been useful.

As I have mentioned as well as others. The current bill that was passed through Congress has nothing about reducing costs. There were some very simple things that could have been passed to reduce costs significantly to the benefit of all citizens. Instead, they had to go for a 2,000+page monstrosity.

The real problem is the costs to anyone needing health care. Mandating insurance does nothing for the costs. It actually makes it harder to push for the reduction. It hides them under another bureaucratic layer that also happens to have a profit motive.

[ucodegen]

I would have supported a bill supporting a health savings bill, where one saves for medical needs, and for which certain critical treatments are negotiated. Well, I guess we suck as a nation at saving, so that probably won’t work.

This is what I was hoping for.. plus the ability to allow the savings plan to be passed on/inherited. Add in not being able to be canceled out of a policy you have been paying into for years just because you now became a liability to the insurance company, ban on region pricing for pharmaceuticals (well at least one of these got into the bill). Looking at why hospital rooms are so expensive would also have been useful.

As I have mentioned as well as others. The current bill that was passed through Congress has nothing about reducing costs. There were some very simple things that could have been passed to reduce costs significantly to the benefit of all citizens. Instead, they had to go for a 2,000+page monstrosity.

The real problem is the costs to anyone needing health care. Mandating insurance does nothing for the costs. It actually makes it harder to push for the reduction. It hides them under another bureaucratic layer that also happens to have a profit motive.

[ucodegen]

I would have supported a bill supporting a health savings bill, where one saves for medical needs, and for which certain critical treatments are negotiated. Well, I guess we suck as a nation at saving, so that probably won’t work.

This is what I was hoping for.. plus the ability to allow the savings plan to be passed on/inherited. Add in not being able to be canceled out of a policy you have been paying into for years just because you now became a liability to the insurance company, ban on region pricing for pharmaceuticals (well at least one of these got into the bill). Looking at why hospital rooms are so expensive would also have been useful.

As I have mentioned as well as others. The current bill that was passed through Congress has nothing about reducing costs. There were some very simple things that could have been passed to reduce costs significantly to the benefit of all citizens. Instead, they had to go for a 2,000+page monstrosity.

The real problem is the costs to anyone needing health care. Mandating insurance does nothing for the costs. It actually makes it harder to push for the reduction. It hides them under another bureaucratic layer that also happens to have a profit motive.

[ucodegen]

I would have supported a bill supporting a health savings bill, where one saves for medical needs, and for which certain critical treatments are negotiated. Well, I guess we suck as a nation at saving, so that probably won’t work.

This is what I was hoping for.. plus the ability to allow the savings plan to be passed on/inherited. Add in not being able to be canceled out of a policy you have been paying into for years just because you now became a liability to the insurance company, ban on region pricing for pharmaceuticals (well at least one of these got into the bill). Looking at why hospital rooms are so expensive would also have been useful.

As I have mentioned as well as others. The current bill that was passed through Congress has nothing about reducing costs. There were some very simple things that could have been passed to reduce costs significantly to the benefit of all citizens. Instead, they had to go for a 2,000+page monstrosity.

The real problem is the costs to anyone needing health care. Mandating insurance does nothing for the costs. It actually makes it harder to push for the reduction. It hides them under another bureaucratic layer that also happens to have a profit motive.

[ucodegen]

I would have supported a bill supporting a health savings bill, where one saves for medical needs, and for which certain critical treatments are negotiated. Well, I guess we suck as a nation at saving, so that probably won’t work.

This is what I was hoping for.. plus the ability to allow the savings plan to be passed on/inherited. Add in not being able to be canceled out of a policy you have been paying into for years just because you now became a liability to the insurance company, ban on region pricing for pharmaceuticals (well at least one of these got into the bill). Looking at why hospital rooms are so expensive would also have been useful.

As I have mentioned as well as others. The current bill that was passed through Congress has nothing about reducing costs. There were some very simple things that could have been passed to reduce costs significantly to the benefit of all citizens. Instead, they had to go for a 2,000+page monstrosity.

The real problem is the costs to anyone needing health care. Mandating insurance does nothing for the costs. It actually makes it harder to push for the reduction. It hides them under another bureaucratic layer that also happens to have a profit motive.

[dbapig]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=dbapig][quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

Who’s you daddy? Is he Bill Gates? If so, than yeah, no need to worry about not having health insurance. But of course you are not. What’s the goal of having ‘insurance’? It exists because MOST people don’t have the means to be prepared for any surprises in life such as car accidents/fire/illness.

What the bill does is reform health insurance, not setting up a Universal Health care. No?

You talk about quality of life going down. I assure you for those who couldn’t get health insurance (about 30 million?) their quality of life is going way up. And it’s not just for those who don’t have health insurance now but others who have them but have to worry about losing it when they somehow lose their jobs. One (very important) less thing to feel insecure about. I’d say quality of life is going up.[/quote]

1. I was attempting to reply that the part of society that benifits most from this legeslation is the part that will pay little to nothing for this benifit.
…
2. But that should serve as a wakeup call to expain why it is important, not some angry ‘who’s your daddy’ detribes.
…
3. I am glad you so angrly agree with me.[/quote]

1. Tax cuts benefit a few (rich) the most. It goes both ways.

2. I wasn’t trying to sound angry but funny. Sorry I failed. So let me rephrase it this way. Is Bill Gates your father?

3. Trust me, I am not angry. I am so happy. It could be better but still happy.

[dbapig]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=dbapig][quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

Who’s you daddy? Is he Bill Gates? If so, than yeah, no need to worry about not having health insurance. But of course you are not. What’s the goal of having ‘insurance’? It exists because MOST people don’t have the means to be prepared for any surprises in life such as car accidents/fire/illness.

What the bill does is reform health insurance, not setting up a Universal Health care. No?

You talk about quality of life going down. I assure you for those who couldn’t get health insurance (about 30 million?) their quality of life is going way up. And it’s not just for those who don’t have health insurance now but others who have them but have to worry about losing it when they somehow lose their jobs. One (very important) less thing to feel insecure about. I’d say quality of life is going up.[/quote]

1. I was attempting to reply that the part of society that benifits most from this legeslation is the part that will pay little to nothing for this benifit.
…
2. But that should serve as a wakeup call to expain why it is important, not some angry ‘who’s your daddy’ detribes.
…
3. I am glad you so angrly agree with me.[/quote]

1. Tax cuts benefit a few (rich) the most. It goes both ways.

2. I wasn’t trying to sound angry but funny. Sorry I failed. So let me rephrase it this way. Is Bill Gates your father?

3. Trust me, I am not angry. I am so happy. It could be better but still happy.

[dbapig]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=dbapig][quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

Who’s you daddy? Is he Bill Gates? If so, than yeah, no need to worry about not having health insurance. But of course you are not. What’s the goal of having ‘insurance’? It exists because MOST people don’t have the means to be prepared for any surprises in life such as car accidents/fire/illness.

What the bill does is reform health insurance, not setting up a Universal Health care. No?

You talk about quality of life going down. I assure you for those who couldn’t get health insurance (about 30 million?) their quality of life is going way up. And it’s not just for those who don’t have health insurance now but others who have them but have to worry about losing it when they somehow lose their jobs. One (very important) less thing to feel insecure about. I’d say quality of life is going up.[/quote]

1. I was attempting to reply that the part of society that benifits most from this legeslation is the part that will pay little to nothing for this benifit.
…
2. But that should serve as a wakeup call to expain why it is important, not some angry ‘who’s your daddy’ detribes.
…
3. I am glad you so angrly agree with me.[/quote]

1. Tax cuts benefit a few (rich) the most. It goes both ways.

2. I wasn’t trying to sound angry but funny. Sorry I failed. So let me rephrase it this way. Is Bill Gates your father?

3. Trust me, I am not angry. I am so happy. It could be better but still happy.

[dbapig]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=dbapig][quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

Who’s you daddy? Is he Bill Gates? If so, than yeah, no need to worry about not having health insurance. But of course you are not. What’s the goal of having ‘insurance’? It exists because MOST people don’t have the means to be prepared for any surprises in life such as car accidents/fire/illness.

What the bill does is reform health insurance, not setting up a Universal Health care. No?

You talk about quality of life going down. I assure you for those who couldn’t get health insurance (about 30 million?) their quality of life is going way up. And it’s not just for those who don’t have health insurance now but others who have them but have to worry about losing it when they somehow lose their jobs. One (very important) less thing to feel insecure about. I’d say quality of life is going up.[/quote]

1. I was attempting to reply that the part of society that benifits most from this legeslation is the part that will pay little to nothing for this benifit.
…
2. But that should serve as a wakeup call to expain why it is important, not some angry ‘who’s your daddy’ detribes.
…
3. I am glad you so angrly agree with me.[/quote]

1. Tax cuts benefit a few (rich) the most. It goes both ways.

2. I wasn’t trying to sound angry but funny. Sorry I failed. So let me rephrase it this way. Is Bill Gates your father?

3. Trust me, I am not angry. I am so happy. It could be better but still happy.

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