Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[DWCAP]

[quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.

[jimmyle]

I don’t like everything in the bill but I think it is better than the current system. The current system is broken. You don’t have to buy health insurance but the hospital can’t kick you out if you can’t pay. Since as a society we have decided that on humanitarian ground that we can’t leave people die untreated, we might as well pay for the cost of prevention (or force people to) which is usually less expensive.

However I think the items where the real savings can be found are ignored.

1. Limit to medical malpractice lawsuit–driven up cost with high medical practice insurance and doctors performing unecessary tests.
2. Over priced drugs in the US–why are Europeans/Japanese/Canadians negotiate with the drug companies and they pay about half (of what we are paying) for the same drugs. The argument is usually some thing like we are getting safer drugs or some body has to pay for the R&D cost. Why do Americans have to shoulder all of the R&D cost?
3. Doctors getting pay more for uncalled for procedures-if doctors get paid $2000 for a natural birth (1 hr of work) and $6000 for a c-section (1.5 hr of work). Guess which one they like to do. Doctors are human and money will influence their decision. They will make up some reasons why they have to perform c-sections (perhaps unconciously). Example, a friend of mine used to hate people who smokes. But now he is working for Phillips Morris he fervently argues that it is people’s freedom to choose.
4. Over medication–We must admit that Americans eat to much and don’t exercise. I see people taking medications (hyper tension, cholesterol,…) that they could eliminate by changing their lifestyles. What if you make them pay higher copayment?

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[jimmyle]

I don’t like everything in the bill but I think it is better than the current system. The current system is broken. You don’t have to buy health insurance but the hospital can’t kick you out if you can’t pay. Since as a society we have decided that on humanitarian ground that we can’t leave people die untreated, we might as well pay for the cost of prevention (or force people to) which is usually less expensive.

However I think the items where the real savings can be found are ignored.

1. Limit to medical malpractice lawsuit–driven up cost with high medical practice insurance and doctors performing unecessary tests.
2. Over priced drugs in the US–why are Europeans/Japanese/Canadians negotiate with the drug companies and they pay about half (of what we are paying) for the same drugs. The argument is usually some thing like we are getting safer drugs or some body has to pay for the R&D cost. Why do Americans have to shoulder all of the R&D cost?
3. Doctors getting pay more for uncalled for procedures-if doctors get paid $2000 for a natural birth (1 hr of work) and $6000 for a c-section (1.5 hr of work). Guess which one they like to do. Doctors are human and money will influence their decision. They will make up some reasons why they have to perform c-sections (perhaps unconciously). Example, a friend of mine used to hate people who smokes. But now he is working for Phillips Morris he fervently argues that it is people’s freedom to choose.
4. Over medication–We must admit that Americans eat to much and don’t exercise. I see people taking medications (hyper tension, cholesterol,…) that they could eliminate by changing their lifestyles. What if you make them pay higher copayment?

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[jimmyle]

I don’t like everything in the bill but I think it is better than the current system. The current system is broken. You don’t have to buy health insurance but the hospital can’t kick you out if you can’t pay. Since as a society we have decided that on humanitarian ground that we can’t leave people die untreated, we might as well pay for the cost of prevention (or force people to) which is usually less expensive.

However I think the items where the real savings can be found are ignored.

1. Limit to medical malpractice lawsuit–driven up cost with high medical practice insurance and doctors performing unecessary tests.
2. Over priced drugs in the US–why are Europeans/Japanese/Canadians negotiate with the drug companies and they pay about half (of what we are paying) for the same drugs. The argument is usually some thing like we are getting safer drugs or some body has to pay for the R&D cost. Why do Americans have to shoulder all of the R&D cost?
3. Doctors getting pay more for uncalled for procedures-if doctors get paid $2000 for a natural birth (1 hr of work) and $6000 for a c-section (1.5 hr of work). Guess which one they like to do. Doctors are human and money will influence their decision. They will make up some reasons why they have to perform c-sections (perhaps unconciously). Example, a friend of mine used to hate people who smokes. But now he is working for Phillips Morris he fervently argues that it is people’s freedom to choose.
4. Over medication–We must admit that Americans eat to much and don’t exercise. I see people taking medications (hyper tension, cholesterol,…) that they could eliminate by changing their lifestyles. What if you make them pay higher copayment?

edited–

[jimmyle]

I don’t like everything in the bill but I think it is better than the current system. The current system is broken. You don’t have to buy health insurance but the hospital can’t kick you out if you can’t pay. Since as a society we have decided that on humanitarian ground that we can’t leave people die untreated, we might as well pay for the cost of prevention (or force people to) which is usually less expensive.

However I think the items where the real savings can be found are ignored.

1. Limit to medical malpractice lawsuit–driven up cost with high medical practice insurance and doctors performing unecessary tests.
2. Over priced drugs in the US–why are Europeans/Japanese/Canadians negotiate with the drug companies and they pay about half (of what we are paying) for the same drugs. The argument is usually some thing like we are getting safer drugs or some body has to pay for the R&D cost. Why do Americans have to shoulder all of the R&D cost?
3. Doctors getting pay more for uncalled for procedures-if doctors get paid $2000 for a natural birth (1 hr of work) and $6000 for a c-section (1.5 hr of work). Guess which one they like to do. Doctors are human and money will influence their decision. They will make up some reasons why they have to perform c-sections (perhaps unconciously). Example, a friend of mine used to hate people who smokes. But now he is working for Phillips Morris he fervently argues that it is people’s freedom to choose.
4. Over medication–We must admit that Americans eat to much and don’t exercise. I see people taking medications (hyper tension, cholesterol,…) that they could eliminate by changing their lifestyles. What if you make them pay higher copayment?

edited–

[jimmyle]

I don’t like everything in the bill but I think it is better than the current system. The current system is broken. You don’t have to buy health insurance but the hospital can’t kick you out if you can’t pay. Since as a society we have decided that on humanitarian ground that we can’t leave people die untreated, we might as well pay for the cost of prevention (or force people to) which is usually less expensive.

However I think the items where the real savings can be found are ignored.

1. Limit to medical malpractice lawsuit–driven up cost with high medical practice insurance and doctors performing unecessary tests.
2. Over priced drugs in the US–why are Europeans/Japanese/Canadians negotiate with the drug companies and they pay about half (of what we are paying) for the same drugs. The argument is usually some thing like we are getting safer drugs or some body has to pay for the R&D cost. Why do Americans have to shoulder all of the R&D cost?
3. Doctors getting pay more for uncalled for procedures-if doctors get paid $2000 for a natural birth (1 hr of work) and $6000 for a c-section (1.5 hr of work). Guess which one they like to do. Doctors are human and money will influence their decision. They will make up some reasons why they have to perform c-sections (perhaps unconciously). Example, a friend of mine used to hate people who smokes. But now he is working for Phillips Morris he fervently argues that it is people’s freedom to choose.
4. Over medication–We must admit that Americans eat to much and don’t exercise. I see people taking medications (hyper tension, cholesterol,…) that they could eliminate by changing their lifestyles. What if you make them pay higher copayment?

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[jimmyle]

Yes, no one want to pay for medical care for the poor. But would you let a poor diabetic patient die? Would you rather pay for the insulin cost and sound medical advice or do you wait until he/she gets all the complications and then decided to treat?

[quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

[jimmyle]

Yes, no one want to pay for medical care for the poor. But would you let a poor diabetic patient die? Would you rather pay for the insulin cost and sound medical advice or do you wait until he/she gets all the complications and then decided to treat?

[quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

[jimmyle]

Yes, no one want to pay for medical care for the poor. But would you let a poor diabetic patient die? Would you rather pay for the insulin cost and sound medical advice or do you wait until he/she gets all the complications and then decided to treat?

[quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

[jimmyle]

Yes, no one want to pay for medical care for the poor. But would you let a poor diabetic patient die? Would you rather pay for the insulin cost and sound medical advice or do you wait until he/she gets all the complications and then decided to treat?

[quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

[jimmyle]

Yes, no one want to pay for medical care for the poor. But would you let a poor diabetic patient die? Would you rather pay for the insulin cost and sound medical advice or do you wait until he/she gets all the complications and then decided to treat?

[quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

[dbapig]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

Who’s you daddy? Is he Bill Gates? If so, than yeah, no need to worry about not having health insurance. But of course you are not. What’s the goal of having ‘insurance’? It exists because MOST people don’t have the means to be prepared for any surprises in life such as car accidents/fire/illness.

What the bill does is reform health insurance, not setting up a Universal Health care. No?

You talk about quality of life going down. I assure you for those who couldn’t get health insurance (about 30 million?) their quality of life is going way up. And it’s not just for those who don’t have health insurance now but others who have them but have to worry about losing it when they somehow lose their jobs. One (very important) less thing to feel insecure about. I’d say quality of life is going up.

[dbapig]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

Who’s you daddy? Is he Bill Gates? If so, than yeah, no need to worry about not having health insurance. But of course you are not. What’s the goal of having ‘insurance’? It exists because MOST people don’t have the means to be prepared for any surprises in life such as car accidents/fire/illness.

What the bill does is reform health insurance, not setting up a Universal Health care. No?

You talk about quality of life going down. I assure you for those who couldn’t get health insurance (about 30 million?) their quality of life is going way up. And it’s not just for those who don’t have health insurance now but others who have them but have to worry about losing it when they somehow lose their jobs. One (very important) less thing to feel insecure about. I’d say quality of life is going up.

[dbapig]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

Who’s you daddy? Is he Bill Gates? If so, than yeah, no need to worry about not having health insurance. But of course you are not. What’s the goal of having ‘insurance’? It exists because MOST people don’t have the means to be prepared for any surprises in life such as car accidents/fire/illness.

What the bill does is reform health insurance, not setting up a Universal Health care. No?

You talk about quality of life going down. I assure you for those who couldn’t get health insurance (about 30 million?) their quality of life is going way up. And it’s not just for those who don’t have health insurance now but others who have them but have to worry about losing it when they somehow lose their jobs. One (very important) less thing to feel insecure about. I’d say quality of life is going up.

[dbapig]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=afx114]…………..
So, yes, I am happy.[/quote]

And where do you think all the money to pay for all this is coming from? Your family doesnt have the money to cover the costs associated with the health care they demand. Few persons have that money, so most pool their money with their co-worker and their company and get it that way. Your family doesnt have that option apparently, so they need a subsidy from someone else, or they dont get it. Simple as that. Nothing is free in this world, and you are happy because the government has decided to transfer weath from others to pay for your familys needs. Not suprising, most people would feel the same way. But dont be supprised when others are frustrated at the reduction in their quality of life for your families health care expenses.[/quote]

Who’s you daddy? Is he Bill Gates? If so, than yeah, no need to worry about not having health insurance. But of course you are not. What’s the goal of having ‘insurance’? It exists because MOST people don’t have the means to be prepared for any surprises in life such as car accidents/fire/illness.

What the bill does is reform health insurance, not setting up a Universal Health care. No?

You talk about quality of life going down. I assure you for those who couldn’t get health insurance (about 30 million?) their quality of life is going way up. And it’s not just for those who don’t have health insurance now but others who have them but have to worry about losing it when they somehow lose their jobs. One (very important) less thing to feel insecure about. I’d say quality of life is going up.

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