Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[bob2007]

Fist off, I think all this discussion is good. Regardless of how much people hate my comments, they do cover a lot of the corners of this debate.

iforget, your comment:

“Nope, I actually have pretty decent insurance and also make enough to cover whatever my health insurance doesn’t cover. However, I also know that there are millions out there who don’t have health insurance. Out of the many things my taxes are used for (war, banker bonuses, roads to nowhere, stimulus, etc), this is one of the few things that I’m proud to help pay for.”

Then there is nothing stopping YOU from donating and contributing. This would actually be better because the government would not be involved, you could contribute to the cause you prefer, and more of your money could go directly to the people who need it.

With regard to the comments from youself and briands1, it is my opinion that you are both missing some major points:

1. As already noted, services are in place for those sick and dying. Go to and ER, or use medicaid. The sick and dying argument has some major holes. For example, are you saying its ok to take of the people in the US but not the whole world? If your argument does not take every human being on the planet into consideration, how are your comments in this regard that much different than mine?

2. You are ASSUMING the quality and availability will be as good or better. I can pose the same type of question: what if you are sick and dying and the medicine you need is not available? What if the government sponsored system is filled with marginal doctors and they can’t save you? As soon as you remove the reward for working harder things will degrade. That is just human nature. Its also arguable that the government tends to run things badly (both parties).

3. You can’t take more out of an INSURANCE program ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS than you put in. For all those that think they should only have to pay $200 a month for a prescription program, but know that their pre-existing condition means they must draw out $1000 per month, the need to understand this is no longer an insurance issue. Insurance premiums are based on a risk calculation, not sure thing.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]

So under your system, if someone is sick near death, doesn’t have insurance and can’t pay, then what? Let that person die on the street?

Last time I checked, Medicaid already takes care of these…[/quote]

I was asking Bob about his system of why-should-I-pay-for-you.

Thankfully we have Medicaid. But Medicaid only covers the poor and destitute. It’s means tested and people need to apply and periodically reapply. The periods of lapse are very frequent.

There are millions who are not covered at all.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]

So under your system, if someone is sick near death, doesn’t have insurance and can’t pay, then what? Let that person die on the street?

Last time I checked, Medicaid already takes care of these…[/quote]

I was asking Bob about his system of why-should-I-pay-for-you.

Thankfully we have Medicaid. But Medicaid only covers the poor and destitute. It’s means tested and people need to apply and periodically reapply. The periods of lapse are very frequent.

There are millions who are not covered at all.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]

So under your system, if someone is sick near death, doesn’t have insurance and can’t pay, then what? Let that person die on the street?

Last time I checked, Medicaid already takes care of these…[/quote]

I was asking Bob about his system of why-should-I-pay-for-you.

Thankfully we have Medicaid. But Medicaid only covers the poor and destitute. It’s means tested and people need to apply and periodically reapply. The periods of lapse are very frequent.

There are millions who are not covered at all.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]

So under your system, if someone is sick near death, doesn’t have insurance and can’t pay, then what? Let that person die on the street?

Last time I checked, Medicaid already takes care of these…[/quote]

I was asking Bob about his system of why-should-I-pay-for-you.

Thankfully we have Medicaid. But Medicaid only covers the poor and destitute. It’s means tested and people need to apply and periodically reapply. The periods of lapse are very frequent.

There are millions who are not covered at all.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]

So under your system, if someone is sick near death, doesn’t have insurance and can’t pay, then what? Let that person die on the street?

Last time I checked, Medicaid already takes care of these…[/quote]

I was asking Bob about his system of why-should-I-pay-for-you.

Thankfully we have Medicaid. But Medicaid only covers the poor and destitute. It’s means tested and people need to apply and periodically reapply. The periods of lapse are very frequent.

There are millions who are not covered at all.

[ucodegen]

I was asking Bob about his system of why-should-I-pay-for-you.

Thankfully we have Medicaid. But Medicaid only covers the poor and destitute. It’s means tested and people need to apply and periodically reapply. The periods of lapse are very frequent.

There are millions who are not covered at all.

It is a worthwhile question to ask: “why-should-I-pay-for-you?”. People need to be responsible for their own lives and should not expect others to take care of them and their irresponsible acts. Why should those that act responsibly be penalized? That said, there should be some way to cover those who are beset by circumstances beyond their control, but how do you tell that it was circumstances beyond their control vs. lack of responsibility in their behavior?

BTW: I am one of the so-called uninsured. Basically, I am self insured.

[ucodegen]

I was asking Bob about his system of why-should-I-pay-for-you.

Thankfully we have Medicaid. But Medicaid only covers the poor and destitute. It’s means tested and people need to apply and periodically reapply. The periods of lapse are very frequent.

There are millions who are not covered at all.

It is a worthwhile question to ask: “why-should-I-pay-for-you?”. People need to be responsible for their own lives and should not expect others to take care of them and their irresponsible acts. Why should those that act responsibly be penalized? That said, there should be some way to cover those who are beset by circumstances beyond their control, but how do you tell that it was circumstances beyond their control vs. lack of responsibility in their behavior?

BTW: I am one of the so-called uninsured. Basically, I am self insured.

[ucodegen]

I was asking Bob about his system of why-should-I-pay-for-you.

Thankfully we have Medicaid. But Medicaid only covers the poor and destitute. It’s means tested and people need to apply and periodically reapply. The periods of lapse are very frequent.

There are millions who are not covered at all.

It is a worthwhile question to ask: “why-should-I-pay-for-you?”. People need to be responsible for their own lives and should not expect others to take care of them and their irresponsible acts. Why should those that act responsibly be penalized? That said, there should be some way to cover those who are beset by circumstances beyond their control, but how do you tell that it was circumstances beyond their control vs. lack of responsibility in their behavior?

BTW: I am one of the so-called uninsured. Basically, I am self insured.

[ucodegen]

I was asking Bob about his system of why-should-I-pay-for-you.

Thankfully we have Medicaid. But Medicaid only covers the poor and destitute. It’s means tested and people need to apply and periodically reapply. The periods of lapse are very frequent.

There are millions who are not covered at all.

It is a worthwhile question to ask: “why-should-I-pay-for-you?”. People need to be responsible for their own lives and should not expect others to take care of them and their irresponsible acts. Why should those that act responsibly be penalized? That said, there should be some way to cover those who are beset by circumstances beyond their control, but how do you tell that it was circumstances beyond their control vs. lack of responsibility in their behavior?

BTW: I am one of the so-called uninsured. Basically, I am self insured.

[ucodegen]

I was asking Bob about his system of why-should-I-pay-for-you.

Thankfully we have Medicaid. But Medicaid only covers the poor and destitute. It’s means tested and people need to apply and periodically reapply. The periods of lapse are very frequent.

There are millions who are not covered at all.

It is a worthwhile question to ask: “why-should-I-pay-for-you?”. People need to be responsible for their own lives and should not expect others to take care of them and their irresponsible acts. Why should those that act responsibly be penalized? That said, there should be some way to cover those who are beset by circumstances beyond their control, but how do you tell that it was circumstances beyond their control vs. lack of responsibility in their behavior?

BTW: I am one of the so-called uninsured. Basically, I am self insured.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]
It is a worthwhile question to ask: “why-should-I-pay-for-you?”. People need to be responsible for their own lives and should not expect others to take care of them and their irresponsible acts. Why should those that act responsibly be penalized? That said, there should be some way to cover those who are beset by circumstances beyond their control, but how do you tell that it was circumstances beyond their control vs. lack of responsibility in their behavior?[/quote]

If we are going to think your way, we should first repeal the property taxes. Why should I pay for other people’s kids’ education?

Having babies is a choice that people make.

Parents should pay to send their kids to public schools. Only poor kids would get subsidized education.

I think that health care is more important than education.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]
It is a worthwhile question to ask: “why-should-I-pay-for-you?”. People need to be responsible for their own lives and should not expect others to take care of them and their irresponsible acts. Why should those that act responsibly be penalized? That said, there should be some way to cover those who are beset by circumstances beyond their control, but how do you tell that it was circumstances beyond their control vs. lack of responsibility in their behavior?[/quote]

If we are going to think your way, we should first repeal the property taxes. Why should I pay for other people’s kids’ education?

Having babies is a choice that people make.

Parents should pay to send their kids to public schools. Only poor kids would get subsidized education.

I think that health care is more important than education.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]
It is a worthwhile question to ask: “why-should-I-pay-for-you?”. People need to be responsible for their own lives and should not expect others to take care of them and their irresponsible acts. Why should those that act responsibly be penalized? That said, there should be some way to cover those who are beset by circumstances beyond their control, but how do you tell that it was circumstances beyond their control vs. lack of responsibility in their behavior?[/quote]

If we are going to think your way, we should first repeal the property taxes. Why should I pay for other people’s kids’ education?

Having babies is a choice that people make.

Parents should pay to send their kids to public schools. Only poor kids would get subsidized education.

I think that health care is more important than education.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]
It is a worthwhile question to ask: “why-should-I-pay-for-you?”. People need to be responsible for their own lives and should not expect others to take care of them and their irresponsible acts. Why should those that act responsibly be penalized? That said, there should be some way to cover those who are beset by circumstances beyond their control, but how do you tell that it was circumstances beyond their control vs. lack of responsibility in their behavior?[/quote]

If we are going to think your way, we should first repeal the property taxes. Why should I pay for other people’s kids’ education?

Having babies is a choice that people make.

Parents should pay to send their kids to public schools. Only poor kids would get subsidized education.

I think that health care is more important than education.

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