Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[Wickedheart]

[quote=partypup]People, wake up: this bill has absolutely nothing to do with the care of our health.

This is a stealth tax increase to pay for the trillions in bailout dollars that have been heaped upon the backs of Americans for the past 24 months.[/quote]

I said the exact same thing here just recently. Our government needs a new source of revenue. There are 15 new tax increases proposed, 15.

1)a 5% tax plastic surgery
2) a 40% excise tax on high cost employer-sponsored health coverage
3) a 5 to 10% Increase in additional tax on distributions from HSAs and Archer MSAs not used for qualified medical expenses
4)A $50,000 tax on failing hospitals
5)An annual fee on medical device manufacturers and importers
6)An annual fee on branded prescription pharmaceutical manufacturers and importers
7)An additional .05 % hospital insurance tax on high-income taxpayers making on a joint return over $250,000 and a standard return over $200,000
8)A 10% tax on indoor tanning
9) A 1% tax increase for individuals making between $350,000 and $500,000.
10)A 1.5% tax increase for individuals making between $500,000 and $1 million.
11) A 5.4% increase for individuals making more than $1 million.
12)A 2.5% income tax on individuals who do not have health care coverage, limited to a cost less than the average national health care premium.
13) For self-insured plans, a fee on the the sponsor whether that is the employer or the employee organization. Also, a fee on the issuer of every health care plan imposed.
14)For firms refusing to pay health insurance, but not meeting required exclusions, an 8% tax on wages will be applied.
15) A 5.4% increase for individuals making more than $1 million.

[quote=partypup]This is also precisely whey the costs of this bill are being front-loaded for 4 years. Would you pre-pay co-pays to your doctor for 4 years? No. By the time 2014 rolls around, our debt will be so severe that there’s no way in hell there will be any money left in the health care *lockbox*. Peter will be robbed to pay Paul, and we’re Peter.[/quote]

Exactly, they are going to tax us then fill that little box with worthless IOU’s just like they did with social security.

[SD Realtor]

Everyone likes to skip around the backend medicaid payments that the states have to undertake later in the future as well. At first individual states are subsidized but if you look at the payments later in the future… yikes.

I have complete faith that the numbers by the cbo and the estimations that the govt has made are spot on target. Obviously our govt has a long resume of mega federal programs that are not overbudget and have been completely successful.

Dont you all have the same faith? Oh and by the way housing always goes up…

I don’t argue that reform of some type is needed. That is an absolute. Of course all of us got to review the 2900 pages in the bill didn’t we? The popular argument is that we needed something and that this is better then nothing. I don’t subscribe to that but hey, put it on our tab and have complete faith in the govt. As long as the IRS is in charge of enforcing the program things will be good. Like most of you all said, something is better then nothing.

AIG, Chrysler, GM, Fannie… lest we forget about student loans. The govt was smart on that one. They can make money by borrowing from the treasury at 2.8% and then spinning it for a 6% loan. They of course also then decides who gets loans, who does not. Of course the Dept of Education also gets to decide what schools get what…

Anyways it all is kind of a blur now anyways.

[SD Realtor]

Everyone likes to skip around the backend medicaid payments that the states have to undertake later in the future as well. At first individual states are subsidized but if you look at the payments later in the future… yikes.

I have complete faith that the numbers by the cbo and the estimations that the govt has made are spot on target. Obviously our govt has a long resume of mega federal programs that are not overbudget and have been completely successful.

Dont you all have the same faith? Oh and by the way housing always goes up…

I don’t argue that reform of some type is needed. That is an absolute. Of course all of us got to review the 2900 pages in the bill didn’t we? The popular argument is that we needed something and that this is better then nothing. I don’t subscribe to that but hey, put it on our tab and have complete faith in the govt. As long as the IRS is in charge of enforcing the program things will be good. Like most of you all said, something is better then nothing.

AIG, Chrysler, GM, Fannie… lest we forget about student loans. The govt was smart on that one. They can make money by borrowing from the treasury at 2.8% and then spinning it for a 6% loan. They of course also then decides who gets loans, who does not. Of course the Dept of Education also gets to decide what schools get what…

Anyways it all is kind of a blur now anyways.

[SD Realtor]

Everyone likes to skip around the backend medicaid payments that the states have to undertake later in the future as well. At first individual states are subsidized but if you look at the payments later in the future… yikes.

I have complete faith that the numbers by the cbo and the estimations that the govt has made are spot on target. Obviously our govt has a long resume of mega federal programs that are not overbudget and have been completely successful.

Dont you all have the same faith? Oh and by the way housing always goes up…

I don’t argue that reform of some type is needed. That is an absolute. Of course all of us got to review the 2900 pages in the bill didn’t we? The popular argument is that we needed something and that this is better then nothing. I don’t subscribe to that but hey, put it on our tab and have complete faith in the govt. As long as the IRS is in charge of enforcing the program things will be good. Like most of you all said, something is better then nothing.

AIG, Chrysler, GM, Fannie… lest we forget about student loans. The govt was smart on that one. They can make money by borrowing from the treasury at 2.8% and then spinning it for a 6% loan. They of course also then decides who gets loans, who does not. Of course the Dept of Education also gets to decide what schools get what…

Anyways it all is kind of a blur now anyways.

[SD Realtor]

Everyone likes to skip around the backend medicaid payments that the states have to undertake later in the future as well. At first individual states are subsidized but if you look at the payments later in the future… yikes.

I have complete faith that the numbers by the cbo and the estimations that the govt has made are spot on target. Obviously our govt has a long resume of mega federal programs that are not overbudget and have been completely successful.

Dont you all have the same faith? Oh and by the way housing always goes up…

I don’t argue that reform of some type is needed. That is an absolute. Of course all of us got to review the 2900 pages in the bill didn’t we? The popular argument is that we needed something and that this is better then nothing. I don’t subscribe to that but hey, put it on our tab and have complete faith in the govt. As long as the IRS is in charge of enforcing the program things will be good. Like most of you all said, something is better then nothing.

AIG, Chrysler, GM, Fannie… lest we forget about student loans. The govt was smart on that one. They can make money by borrowing from the treasury at 2.8% and then spinning it for a 6% loan. They of course also then decides who gets loans, who does not. Of course the Dept of Education also gets to decide what schools get what…

Anyways it all is kind of a blur now anyways.

[SD Realtor]

Everyone likes to skip around the backend medicaid payments that the states have to undertake later in the future as well. At first individual states are subsidized but if you look at the payments later in the future… yikes.

I have complete faith that the numbers by the cbo and the estimations that the govt has made are spot on target. Obviously our govt has a long resume of mega federal programs that are not overbudget and have been completely successful.

Dont you all have the same faith? Oh and by the way housing always goes up…

I don’t argue that reform of some type is needed. That is an absolute. Of course all of us got to review the 2900 pages in the bill didn’t we? The popular argument is that we needed something and that this is better then nothing. I don’t subscribe to that but hey, put it on our tab and have complete faith in the govt. As long as the IRS is in charge of enforcing the program things will be good. Like most of you all said, something is better then nothing.

AIG, Chrysler, GM, Fannie… lest we forget about student loans. The govt was smart on that one. They can make money by borrowing from the treasury at 2.8% and then spinning it for a 6% loan. They of course also then decides who gets loans, who does not. Of course the Dept of Education also gets to decide what schools get what…

Anyways it all is kind of a blur now anyways.

[larrylujack]

[quote=briansd1]The government will spend money no matter what.

I would rather the money be spent on health care.

We already blew $1 trillion on a useless war in Iraq. That money would have been better spend on providing health care to all Americans.

I never hear the right bitch about the cost of war. But even as one extra penny hasn’t even been spent on health care yet, the right is calling the end of America.

I think the solution is to allocate the money we have more appropriately and humanely.[/quote]

agree 100%. when $ is spent on expensive never-ending wars the neo-con right never complains, but when it comes to healthcare for the benefit of American citizens, even though this bill is a gift to the insurance industry, suddenly the neo-cons are concerned about gov’t spending. the hypocrisy is stunning but revealing.

[larrylujack]

[quote=briansd1]The government will spend money no matter what.

I would rather the money be spent on health care.

We already blew $1 trillion on a useless war in Iraq. That money would have been better spend on providing health care to all Americans.

I never hear the right bitch about the cost of war. But even as one extra penny hasn’t even been spent on health care yet, the right is calling the end of America.

I think the solution is to allocate the money we have more appropriately and humanely.[/quote]

agree 100%. when $ is spent on expensive never-ending wars the neo-con right never complains, but when it comes to healthcare for the benefit of American citizens, even though this bill is a gift to the insurance industry, suddenly the neo-cons are concerned about gov’t spending. the hypocrisy is stunning but revealing.

[larrylujack]

[quote=briansd1]The government will spend money no matter what.

I would rather the money be spent on health care.

We already blew $1 trillion on a useless war in Iraq. That money would have been better spend on providing health care to all Americans.

I never hear the right bitch about the cost of war. But even as one extra penny hasn’t even been spent on health care yet, the right is calling the end of America.

I think the solution is to allocate the money we have more appropriately and humanely.[/quote]

agree 100%. when $ is spent on expensive never-ending wars the neo-con right never complains, but when it comes to healthcare for the benefit of American citizens, even though this bill is a gift to the insurance industry, suddenly the neo-cons are concerned about gov’t spending. the hypocrisy is stunning but revealing.

[larrylujack]

[quote=briansd1]The government will spend money no matter what.

I would rather the money be spent on health care.

We already blew $1 trillion on a useless war in Iraq. That money would have been better spend on providing health care to all Americans.

I never hear the right bitch about the cost of war. But even as one extra penny hasn’t even been spent on health care yet, the right is calling the end of America.

I think the solution is to allocate the money we have more appropriately and humanely.[/quote]

agree 100%. when $ is spent on expensive never-ending wars the neo-con right never complains, but when it comes to healthcare for the benefit of American citizens, even though this bill is a gift to the insurance industry, suddenly the neo-cons are concerned about gov’t spending. the hypocrisy is stunning but revealing.

[larrylujack]

[quote=briansd1]The government will spend money no matter what.

I would rather the money be spent on health care.

We already blew $1 trillion on a useless war in Iraq. That money would have been better spend on providing health care to all Americans.

I never hear the right bitch about the cost of war. But even as one extra penny hasn’t even been spent on health care yet, the right is calling the end of America.

I think the solution is to allocate the money we have more appropriately and humanely.[/quote]

agree 100%. when $ is spent on expensive never-ending wars the neo-con right never complains, but when it comes to healthcare for the benefit of American citizens, even though this bill is a gift to the insurance industry, suddenly the neo-cons are concerned about gov’t spending. the hypocrisy is stunning but revealing.

[Anonymous]

[quote=larrylujack]
agree 100%. when $ is spent on expensive never-ending wars the neo-con right never complains, but when it comes to healthcare for the benefit of American citizens, even though this bill is a gift to the insurance industry, suddenly the neo-cons are concerned about gov’t spending. the hypocrisy is stunning but revealing.[/quote]

Don’t forget that that great bastion of right-wing thought, G.W. Bush, signed into law his own trillion dollar pharmacare boondoggle and nary a peep was heard out of the right. When it’s Republicans spending the money, any hint of fiscal conservatism goes out the door. When it’s Democrats spending the money, suddenly the country is on the verge of bankruptcy.

And let’s not forget the Bush tax cuts which cost over a trillion dollars. Repeal the Bush tax cuts and Universal Health Care is paid for.

[Anonymous]

[quote=larrylujack]
agree 100%. when $ is spent on expensive never-ending wars the neo-con right never complains, but when it comes to healthcare for the benefit of American citizens, even though this bill is a gift to the insurance industry, suddenly the neo-cons are concerned about gov’t spending. the hypocrisy is stunning but revealing.[/quote]

Don’t forget that that great bastion of right-wing thought, G.W. Bush, signed into law his own trillion dollar pharmacare boondoggle and nary a peep was heard out of the right. When it’s Republicans spending the money, any hint of fiscal conservatism goes out the door. When it’s Democrats spending the money, suddenly the country is on the verge of bankruptcy.

And let’s not forget the Bush tax cuts which cost over a trillion dollars. Repeal the Bush tax cuts and Universal Health Care is paid for.

[Anonymous]

[quote=larrylujack]
agree 100%. when $ is spent on expensive never-ending wars the neo-con right never complains, but when it comes to healthcare for the benefit of American citizens, even though this bill is a gift to the insurance industry, suddenly the neo-cons are concerned about gov’t spending. the hypocrisy is stunning but revealing.[/quote]

Don’t forget that that great bastion of right-wing thought, G.W. Bush, signed into law his own trillion dollar pharmacare boondoggle and nary a peep was heard out of the right. When it’s Republicans spending the money, any hint of fiscal conservatism goes out the door. When it’s Democrats spending the money, suddenly the country is on the verge of bankruptcy.

And let’s not forget the Bush tax cuts which cost over a trillion dollars. Repeal the Bush tax cuts and Universal Health Care is paid for.

[Anonymous]

[quote=larrylujack]
agree 100%. when $ is spent on expensive never-ending wars the neo-con right never complains, but when it comes to healthcare for the benefit of American citizens, even though this bill is a gift to the insurance industry, suddenly the neo-cons are concerned about gov’t spending. the hypocrisy is stunning but revealing.[/quote]

Don’t forget that that great bastion of right-wing thought, G.W. Bush, signed into law his own trillion dollar pharmacare boondoggle and nary a peep was heard out of the right. When it’s Republicans spending the money, any hint of fiscal conservatism goes out the door. When it’s Democrats spending the money, suddenly the country is on the verge of bankruptcy.

And let’s not forget the Bush tax cuts which cost over a trillion dollars. Repeal the Bush tax cuts and Universal Health Care is paid for.

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