Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[danielwis]

[quote=AN][quote=air_ogi]43% oppose it for being too liberal
39% favor it
13% oppose it for not being liberal enough
3% oppose it for some indeterminate reasons

so 52% of Americans went this reform or more liberal.[/quote]
By that math, wouldn’t that mean 82% of Americans want this reform or less liberal? I think 82% > 52%.[/quote]

No because you can’t add those that think we need reform, but its not liberal enough, to those that do not want reform and think its too liberal.

You can add those that favor, and those that think it didn’t go far enough, because both groups support reform. The majority want real reform, and 13 % want even more than what the bill offered.

[Casca]

[quote=danielwis]I don’t want to live in a country where 40 million do not have health care, and in 10 years 60 million do not have health care. I do not want to live in a country where social unrest breeds do to increasing numbers of disaffected people, without health care, and without adequate work/pay to put a roof over their head.[/quote]

In that case sir, I suggest you choose a direction and head in it.

[Casca]

[quote=danielwis]I don’t want to live in a country where 40 million do not have health care, and in 10 years 60 million do not have health care. I do not want to live in a country where social unrest breeds do to increasing numbers of disaffected people, without health care, and without adequate work/pay to put a roof over their head.[/quote]

In that case sir, I suggest you choose a direction and head in it.

[Casca]

[quote=danielwis]I don’t want to live in a country where 40 million do not have health care, and in 10 years 60 million do not have health care. I do not want to live in a country where social unrest breeds do to increasing numbers of disaffected people, without health care, and without adequate work/pay to put a roof over their head.[/quote]

In that case sir, I suggest you choose a direction and head in it.

[Casca]

[quote=danielwis]I don’t want to live in a country where 40 million do not have health care, and in 10 years 60 million do not have health care. I do not want to live in a country where social unrest breeds do to increasing numbers of disaffected people, without health care, and without adequate work/pay to put a roof over their head.[/quote]

In that case sir, I suggest you choose a direction and head in it.

[Casca]

[quote=danielwis]I don’t want to live in a country where 40 million do not have health care, and in 10 years 60 million do not have health care. I do not want to live in a country where social unrest breeds do to increasing numbers of disaffected people, without health care, and without adequate work/pay to put a roof over their head.[/quote]

In that case sir, I suggest you choose a direction and head in it.

[mike92104]

[quote=danielwis]I don’t want to live in a country where 40 million do not have health care, and in 10 years 60 million do not have health care. I do not want to live in a country where social unrest breeds do to increasing numbers of disaffected people, without health care, and without adequate work/pay to put a roof over their head.

I believe we can do better, and with this bill, I believe we are going to do better. I have health insurance/health care, and I want everyone in this country to also have health care.[/quote]

40 million people don’t have health care, or do they just not have insurance?

[mike92104]

[quote=danielwis]I don’t want to live in a country where 40 million do not have health care, and in 10 years 60 million do not have health care. I do not want to live in a country where social unrest breeds do to increasing numbers of disaffected people, without health care, and without adequate work/pay to put a roof over their head.

I believe we can do better, and with this bill, I believe we are going to do better. I have health insurance/health care, and I want everyone in this country to also have health care.[/quote]

40 million people don’t have health care, or do they just not have insurance?

[mike92104]

[quote=danielwis]I don’t want to live in a country where 40 million do not have health care, and in 10 years 60 million do not have health care. I do not want to live in a country where social unrest breeds do to increasing numbers of disaffected people, without health care, and without adequate work/pay to put a roof over their head.

I believe we can do better, and with this bill, I believe we are going to do better. I have health insurance/health care, and I want everyone in this country to also have health care.[/quote]

40 million people don’t have health care, or do they just not have insurance?

[mike92104]

[quote=danielwis]I don’t want to live in a country where 40 million do not have health care, and in 10 years 60 million do not have health care. I do not want to live in a country where social unrest breeds do to increasing numbers of disaffected people, without health care, and without adequate work/pay to put a roof over their head.

I believe we can do better, and with this bill, I believe we are going to do better. I have health insurance/health care, and I want everyone in this country to also have health care.[/quote]

40 million people don’t have health care, or do they just not have insurance?

[mike92104]

[quote=danielwis]I don’t want to live in a country where 40 million do not have health care, and in 10 years 60 million do not have health care. I do not want to live in a country where social unrest breeds do to increasing numbers of disaffected people, without health care, and without adequate work/pay to put a roof over their head.

I believe we can do better, and with this bill, I believe we are going to do better. I have health insurance/health care, and I want everyone in this country to also have health care.[/quote]

40 million people don’t have health care, or do they just not have insurance?

[Wickedheart]

[quote=partypup]People, wake up: this bill has absolutely nothing to do with the care of our health.

This is a stealth tax increase to pay for the trillions in bailout dollars that have been heaped upon the backs of Americans for the past 24 months.[/quote]

I said the exact same thing here just recently. Our government needs a new source of revenue. There are 15 new tax increases proposed, 15.

1)a 5% tax plastic surgery
2) a 40% excise tax on high cost employer-sponsored health coverage
3) a 5 to 10% Increase in additional tax on distributions from HSAs and Archer MSAs not used for qualified medical expenses
4)A $50,000 tax on failing hospitals
5)An annual fee on medical device manufacturers and importers
6)An annual fee on branded prescription pharmaceutical manufacturers and importers
7)An additional .05 % hospital insurance tax on high-income taxpayers making on a joint return over $250,000 and a standard return over $200,000
8)A 10% tax on indoor tanning
9) A 1% tax increase for individuals making between $350,000 and $500,000.
10)A 1.5% tax increase for individuals making between $500,000 and $1 million.
11) A 5.4% increase for individuals making more than $1 million.
12)A 2.5% income tax on individuals who do not have health care coverage, limited to a cost less than the average national health care premium.
13) For self-insured plans, a fee on the the sponsor whether that is the employer or the employee organization. Also, a fee on the issuer of every health care plan imposed.
14)For firms refusing to pay health insurance, but not meeting required exclusions, an 8% tax on wages will be applied.
15) A 5.4% increase for individuals making more than $1 million.

[quote=partypup]This is also precisely whey the costs of this bill are being front-loaded for 4 years. Would you pre-pay co-pays to your doctor for 4 years? No. By the time 2014 rolls around, our debt will be so severe that there’s no way in hell there will be any money left in the health care *lockbox*. Peter will be robbed to pay Paul, and we’re Peter.[/quote]

Exactly, they are going to tax us then fill that little box with worthless IOU’s just like they did with social security.

[Wickedheart]

[quote=partypup]People, wake up: this bill has absolutely nothing to do with the care of our health.

This is a stealth tax increase to pay for the trillions in bailout dollars that have been heaped upon the backs of Americans for the past 24 months.[/quote]

I said the exact same thing here just recently. Our government needs a new source of revenue. There are 15 new tax increases proposed, 15.

1)a 5% tax plastic surgery
2) a 40% excise tax on high cost employer-sponsored health coverage
3) a 5 to 10% Increase in additional tax on distributions from HSAs and Archer MSAs not used for qualified medical expenses
4)A $50,000 tax on failing hospitals
5)An annual fee on medical device manufacturers and importers
6)An annual fee on branded prescription pharmaceutical manufacturers and importers
7)An additional .05 % hospital insurance tax on high-income taxpayers making on a joint return over $250,000 and a standard return over $200,000
8)A 10% tax on indoor tanning
9) A 1% tax increase for individuals making between $350,000 and $500,000.
10)A 1.5% tax increase for individuals making between $500,000 and $1 million.
11) A 5.4% increase for individuals making more than $1 million.
12)A 2.5% income tax on individuals who do not have health care coverage, limited to a cost less than the average national health care premium.
13) For self-insured plans, a fee on the the sponsor whether that is the employer or the employee organization. Also, a fee on the issuer of every health care plan imposed.
14)For firms refusing to pay health insurance, but not meeting required exclusions, an 8% tax on wages will be applied.
15) A 5.4% increase for individuals making more than $1 million.

[quote=partypup]This is also precisely whey the costs of this bill are being front-loaded for 4 years. Would you pre-pay co-pays to your doctor for 4 years? No. By the time 2014 rolls around, our debt will be so severe that there’s no way in hell there will be any money left in the health care *lockbox*. Peter will be robbed to pay Paul, and we’re Peter.[/quote]

Exactly, they are going to tax us then fill that little box with worthless IOU’s just like they did with social security.

[Wickedheart]

[quote=partypup]People, wake up: this bill has absolutely nothing to do with the care of our health.

This is a stealth tax increase to pay for the trillions in bailout dollars that have been heaped upon the backs of Americans for the past 24 months.[/quote]

I said the exact same thing here just recently. Our government needs a new source of revenue. There are 15 new tax increases proposed, 15.

1)a 5% tax plastic surgery
2) a 40% excise tax on high cost employer-sponsored health coverage
3) a 5 to 10% Increase in additional tax on distributions from HSAs and Archer MSAs not used for qualified medical expenses
4)A $50,000 tax on failing hospitals
5)An annual fee on medical device manufacturers and importers
6)An annual fee on branded prescription pharmaceutical manufacturers and importers
7)An additional .05 % hospital insurance tax on high-income taxpayers making on a joint return over $250,000 and a standard return over $200,000
8)A 10% tax on indoor tanning
9) A 1% tax increase for individuals making between $350,000 and $500,000.
10)A 1.5% tax increase for individuals making between $500,000 and $1 million.
11) A 5.4% increase for individuals making more than $1 million.
12)A 2.5% income tax on individuals who do not have health care coverage, limited to a cost less than the average national health care premium.
13) For self-insured plans, a fee on the the sponsor whether that is the employer or the employee organization. Also, a fee on the issuer of every health care plan imposed.
14)For firms refusing to pay health insurance, but not meeting required exclusions, an 8% tax on wages will be applied.
15) A 5.4% increase for individuals making more than $1 million.

[quote=partypup]This is also precisely whey the costs of this bill are being front-loaded for 4 years. Would you pre-pay co-pays to your doctor for 4 years? No. By the time 2014 rolls around, our debt will be so severe that there’s no way in hell there will be any money left in the health care *lockbox*. Peter will be robbed to pay Paul, and we’re Peter.[/quote]

Exactly, they are going to tax us then fill that little box with worthless IOU’s just like they did with social security.

[Wickedheart]

[quote=partypup]People, wake up: this bill has absolutely nothing to do with the care of our health.

This is a stealth tax increase to pay for the trillions in bailout dollars that have been heaped upon the backs of Americans for the past 24 months.[/quote]

I said the exact same thing here just recently. Our government needs a new source of revenue. There are 15 new tax increases proposed, 15.

1)a 5% tax plastic surgery
2) a 40% excise tax on high cost employer-sponsored health coverage
3) a 5 to 10% Increase in additional tax on distributions from HSAs and Archer MSAs not used for qualified medical expenses
4)A $50,000 tax on failing hospitals
5)An annual fee on medical device manufacturers and importers
6)An annual fee on branded prescription pharmaceutical manufacturers and importers
7)An additional .05 % hospital insurance tax on high-income taxpayers making on a joint return over $250,000 and a standard return over $200,000
8)A 10% tax on indoor tanning
9) A 1% tax increase for individuals making between $350,000 and $500,000.
10)A 1.5% tax increase for individuals making between $500,000 and $1 million.
11) A 5.4% increase for individuals making more than $1 million.
12)A 2.5% income tax on individuals who do not have health care coverage, limited to a cost less than the average national health care premium.
13) For self-insured plans, a fee on the the sponsor whether that is the employer or the employee organization. Also, a fee on the issuer of every health care plan imposed.
14)For firms refusing to pay health insurance, but not meeting required exclusions, an 8% tax on wages will be applied.
15) A 5.4% increase for individuals making more than $1 million.

[quote=partypup]This is also precisely whey the costs of this bill are being front-loaded for 4 years. Would you pre-pay co-pays to your doctor for 4 years? No. By the time 2014 rolls around, our debt will be so severe that there’s no way in hell there will be any money left in the health care *lockbox*. Peter will be robbed to pay Paul, and we’re Peter.[/quote]

Exactly, they are going to tax us then fill that little box with worthless IOU’s just like they did with social security.

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