The new smart financial move is walking away

[CA renter]

Oh, one more BIG sacrifice that many women make: their bodies, especially in a society that is so image-conscious. While some very lucky (and usually younger) moms can get their pre-baby bodies back, most of us will NEVER see those bodies again. 😉

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
All this is not to say that there are no benefits to having kids. If we didn’t derive pleasure from having kids, the human race would have died off long ago. But you can’t say that having kids doesn’t require sacrifice. Not even close.[/quote]

If you look at this in a rational way, the payback (pleasure, security, companionship etc.. ) from having kids outweigh the drawbacks of not having kids. That’s why you choose to have kids otherwise, you wouldn’t.

You buy a car for $30,000 because you believe that the utility is worth that or more. Otherwise, you would not buy that car.

I’m not saying that every individual makes that payback calculation when it comes to procreation. But as an aggregate, we know (probably because our parents told us) that the payback from having children is greater than not having kids.

I believe that, if anything, it’s more selfless not to have children.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
All this is not to say that there are no benefits to having kids. If we didn’t derive pleasure from having kids, the human race would have died off long ago. But you can’t say that having kids doesn’t require sacrifice. Not even close.[/quote]

If you look at this in a rational way, the payback (pleasure, security, companionship etc.. ) from having kids outweigh the drawbacks of not having kids. That’s why you choose to have kids otherwise, you wouldn’t.

You buy a car for $30,000 because you believe that the utility is worth that or more. Otherwise, you would not buy that car.

I’m not saying that every individual makes that payback calculation when it comes to procreation. But as an aggregate, we know (probably because our parents told us) that the payback from having children is greater than not having kids.

I believe that, if anything, it’s more selfless not to have children.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
All this is not to say that there are no benefits to having kids. If we didn’t derive pleasure from having kids, the human race would have died off long ago. But you can’t say that having kids doesn’t require sacrifice. Not even close.[/quote]

If you look at this in a rational way, the payback (pleasure, security, companionship etc.. ) from having kids outweigh the drawbacks of not having kids. That’s why you choose to have kids otherwise, you wouldn’t.

You buy a car for $30,000 because you believe that the utility is worth that or more. Otherwise, you would not buy that car.

I’m not saying that every individual makes that payback calculation when it comes to procreation. But as an aggregate, we know (probably because our parents told us) that the payback from having children is greater than not having kids.

I believe that, if anything, it’s more selfless not to have children.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
All this is not to say that there are no benefits to having kids. If we didn’t derive pleasure from having kids, the human race would have died off long ago. But you can’t say that having kids doesn’t require sacrifice. Not even close.[/quote]

If you look at this in a rational way, the payback (pleasure, security, companionship etc.. ) from having kids outweigh the drawbacks of not having kids. That’s why you choose to have kids otherwise, you wouldn’t.

You buy a car for $30,000 because you believe that the utility is worth that or more. Otherwise, you would not buy that car.

I’m not saying that every individual makes that payback calculation when it comes to procreation. But as an aggregate, we know (probably because our parents told us) that the payback from having children is greater than not having kids.

I believe that, if anything, it’s more selfless not to have children.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
All this is not to say that there are no benefits to having kids. If we didn’t derive pleasure from having kids, the human race would have died off long ago. But you can’t say that having kids doesn’t require sacrifice. Not even close.[/quote]

If you look at this in a rational way, the payback (pleasure, security, companionship etc.. ) from having kids outweigh the drawbacks of not having kids. That’s why you choose to have kids otherwise, you wouldn’t.

You buy a car for $30,000 because you believe that the utility is worth that or more. Otherwise, you would not buy that car.

I’m not saying that every individual makes that payback calculation when it comes to procreation. But as an aggregate, we know (probably because our parents told us) that the payback from having children is greater than not having kids.

I believe that, if anything, it’s more selfless not to have children.

[scaredyclassic]

Not much changed excpt I worry about money more. My dad was always a bit in pain from us. I hate travel and prefer talking at very basic levels

[scaredyclassic]

Not much changed excpt I worry about money more. My dad was always a bit in pain from us. I hate travel and prefer talking at very basic levels

[scaredyclassic]

Not much changed excpt I worry about money more. My dad was always a bit in pain from us. I hate travel and prefer talking at very basic levels

[scaredyclassic]

Not much changed excpt I worry about money more. My dad was always a bit in pain from us. I hate travel and prefer talking at very basic levels

[scaredyclassic]

Not much changed excpt I worry about money more. My dad was always a bit in pain from us. I hate travel and prefer talking at very basic levels

[an]

[quote=briansd1]
If you look at this in a rational way, the payback (pleasure, security, companionship etc.. ) from having kids outweigh the drawbacks of not having kids. That’s why you choose to have kids otherwise, you wouldn’t.

You buy a car for $30,000 because you believe that the utility is worth that or more. Otherwise, you would not buy that car.

I’m not saying that every individual makes that payback calculation when it comes to procreation. But as an aggregate, we know (probably because our parents told us) that the payback from having children is greater than not having kids.[/quote]
When you raise a child, you hope that the payback is greater than the sacrifices you’ve made for them. But it’s definitely not a guarantee. There’s plenty of old people that got put in nursing home because their kids don’t want to take care of them. There are plenty of broken relationships between kids and parents for one reason or another. There are plenty of children who are not close to their parents, so there’s very little companionship.

[quote=briansd1] I believe that, if anything, it’s more selfless not to have children.[/quote]
How did you come up with this conclusion?

[an]

[quote=briansd1]
If you look at this in a rational way, the payback (pleasure, security, companionship etc.. ) from having kids outweigh the drawbacks of not having kids. That’s why you choose to have kids otherwise, you wouldn’t.

You buy a car for $30,000 because you believe that the utility is worth that or more. Otherwise, you would not buy that car.

I’m not saying that every individual makes that payback calculation when it comes to procreation. But as an aggregate, we know (probably because our parents told us) that the payback from having children is greater than not having kids.[/quote]
When you raise a child, you hope that the payback is greater than the sacrifices you’ve made for them. But it’s definitely not a guarantee. There’s plenty of old people that got put in nursing home because their kids don’t want to take care of them. There are plenty of broken relationships between kids and parents for one reason or another. There are plenty of children who are not close to their parents, so there’s very little companionship.

[quote=briansd1] I believe that, if anything, it’s more selfless not to have children.[/quote]
How did you come up with this conclusion?

[an]

[quote=briansd1]
If you look at this in a rational way, the payback (pleasure, security, companionship etc.. ) from having kids outweigh the drawbacks of not having kids. That’s why you choose to have kids otherwise, you wouldn’t.

You buy a car for $30,000 because you believe that the utility is worth that or more. Otherwise, you would not buy that car.

I’m not saying that every individual makes that payback calculation when it comes to procreation. But as an aggregate, we know (probably because our parents told us) that the payback from having children is greater than not having kids.[/quote]
When you raise a child, you hope that the payback is greater than the sacrifices you’ve made for them. But it’s definitely not a guarantee. There’s plenty of old people that got put in nursing home because their kids don’t want to take care of them. There are plenty of broken relationships between kids and parents for one reason or another. There are plenty of children who are not close to their parents, so there’s very little companionship.

[quote=briansd1] I believe that, if anything, it’s more selfless not to have children.[/quote]
How did you come up with this conclusion?

[an]

[quote=briansd1]
If you look at this in a rational way, the payback (pleasure, security, companionship etc.. ) from having kids outweigh the drawbacks of not having kids. That’s why you choose to have kids otherwise, you wouldn’t.

You buy a car for $30,000 because you believe that the utility is worth that or more. Otherwise, you would not buy that car.

I’m not saying that every individual makes that payback calculation when it comes to procreation. But as an aggregate, we know (probably because our parents told us) that the payback from having children is greater than not having kids.[/quote]
When you raise a child, you hope that the payback is greater than the sacrifices you’ve made for them. But it’s definitely not a guarantee. There’s plenty of old people that got put in nursing home because their kids don’t want to take care of them. There are plenty of broken relationships between kids and parents for one reason or another. There are plenty of children who are not close to their parents, so there’s very little companionship.

[quote=briansd1] I believe that, if anything, it’s more selfless not to have children.[/quote]
How did you come up with this conclusion?

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