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March 27, 2010 at 11:53 PM #533346March 28, 2010 at 2:23 AM #532480scaredyclassicParticipant
what do we do that is so “selfless” for our kids, anyway? cook dinner? hell I was cooking dinner anyway, I just break off a piece. for a few years i gave them a bath and brushed their teeth, but that was fun, not selfless. It’s fun to give a kid a bath. . i gave them a ride to day care, but they couldn’t drive, and before that i used to have trouble getting up in t he morning, so that was more for me than them. i should be waking up earlier.. IN that vein, I wouldn’t have been able to keep a job without them as there would have been no particular point to continuing. So they helped me out with getting up in the morning and maintaining employment. Without them, I would have been drinking alone a lot more. Also, they’re hilarious and exquisitely interesting conversationalists. i cannot think of one lousy sacrifice ive made on their behalf.
March 28, 2010 at 2:23 AM #532608scaredyclassicParticipantwhat do we do that is so “selfless” for our kids, anyway? cook dinner? hell I was cooking dinner anyway, I just break off a piece. for a few years i gave them a bath and brushed their teeth, but that was fun, not selfless. It’s fun to give a kid a bath. . i gave them a ride to day care, but they couldn’t drive, and before that i used to have trouble getting up in t he morning, so that was more for me than them. i should be waking up earlier.. IN that vein, I wouldn’t have been able to keep a job without them as there would have been no particular point to continuing. So they helped me out with getting up in the morning and maintaining employment. Without them, I would have been drinking alone a lot more. Also, they’re hilarious and exquisitely interesting conversationalists. i cannot think of one lousy sacrifice ive made on their behalf.
March 28, 2010 at 2:23 AM #533060scaredyclassicParticipantwhat do we do that is so “selfless” for our kids, anyway? cook dinner? hell I was cooking dinner anyway, I just break off a piece. for a few years i gave them a bath and brushed their teeth, but that was fun, not selfless. It’s fun to give a kid a bath. . i gave them a ride to day care, but they couldn’t drive, and before that i used to have trouble getting up in t he morning, so that was more for me than them. i should be waking up earlier.. IN that vein, I wouldn’t have been able to keep a job without them as there would have been no particular point to continuing. So they helped me out with getting up in the morning and maintaining employment. Without them, I would have been drinking alone a lot more. Also, they’re hilarious and exquisitely interesting conversationalists. i cannot think of one lousy sacrifice ive made on their behalf.
March 28, 2010 at 2:23 AM #533156scaredyclassicParticipantwhat do we do that is so “selfless” for our kids, anyway? cook dinner? hell I was cooking dinner anyway, I just break off a piece. for a few years i gave them a bath and brushed their teeth, but that was fun, not selfless. It’s fun to give a kid a bath. . i gave them a ride to day care, but they couldn’t drive, and before that i used to have trouble getting up in t he morning, so that was more for me than them. i should be waking up earlier.. IN that vein, I wouldn’t have been able to keep a job without them as there would have been no particular point to continuing. So they helped me out with getting up in the morning and maintaining employment. Without them, I would have been drinking alone a lot more. Also, they’re hilarious and exquisitely interesting conversationalists. i cannot think of one lousy sacrifice ive made on their behalf.
March 28, 2010 at 2:23 AM #533416scaredyclassicParticipantwhat do we do that is so “selfless” for our kids, anyway? cook dinner? hell I was cooking dinner anyway, I just break off a piece. for a few years i gave them a bath and brushed their teeth, but that was fun, not selfless. It’s fun to give a kid a bath. . i gave them a ride to day care, but they couldn’t drive, and before that i used to have trouble getting up in t he morning, so that was more for me than them. i should be waking up earlier.. IN that vein, I wouldn’t have been able to keep a job without them as there would have been no particular point to continuing. So they helped me out with getting up in the morning and maintaining employment. Without them, I would have been drinking alone a lot more. Also, they’re hilarious and exquisitely interesting conversationalists. i cannot think of one lousy sacrifice ive made on their behalf.
March 28, 2010 at 8:40 AM #532515anParticipantEverybody and every relationship is different. Only you would know if you’ve made any sacrifice and acted selflessly toward your kids.
March 28, 2010 at 8:40 AM #532642anParticipantEverybody and every relationship is different. Only you would know if you’ve made any sacrifice and acted selflessly toward your kids.
March 28, 2010 at 8:40 AM #533095anParticipantEverybody and every relationship is different. Only you would know if you’ve made any sacrifice and acted selflessly toward your kids.
March 28, 2010 at 8:40 AM #533190anParticipantEverybody and every relationship is different. Only you would know if you’ve made any sacrifice and acted selflessly toward your kids.
March 28, 2010 at 8:40 AM #533451anParticipantEverybody and every relationship is different. Only you would know if you’ve made any sacrifice and acted selflessly toward your kids.
March 28, 2010 at 9:31 AM #532540AnonymousGuest[quote=jpinpb]I’ve avoided getting into this debate b/c for the most part people will not likely change their opinions about marriage. I’d just like to say that if 50% of marriages end in divorce, then 50% of people married must be happy. I don’t buy into the notion that people will not divorce b/c of the cost. It has not been a deterrent to the 50% that got divorced. The old saying – why is divorce so expensive? Because it’s worth it!
[/quote]I think you are confusing happiness with lack of other good options. My parents only stayed married because of the kids (me and my two sisters). They were a miserable lot, but stuck it out because they didn’t have a lot of money and my sisters would cry each time dad tried to leave. My parents didn’t divorce, but they definitely weren’t happy. I’m sure there are lots of couples who stay married for the kids, even though they aren’t happy.
As for having kids, it is very selfish. I realize that my kids are taking resources that could be used to feed and clothe someone else’s child. Adoption is much more of a selfless act than having one’s own children.
March 28, 2010 at 9:31 AM #532667AnonymousGuest[quote=jpinpb]I’ve avoided getting into this debate b/c for the most part people will not likely change their opinions about marriage. I’d just like to say that if 50% of marriages end in divorce, then 50% of people married must be happy. I don’t buy into the notion that people will not divorce b/c of the cost. It has not been a deterrent to the 50% that got divorced. The old saying – why is divorce so expensive? Because it’s worth it!
[/quote]I think you are confusing happiness with lack of other good options. My parents only stayed married because of the kids (me and my two sisters). They were a miserable lot, but stuck it out because they didn’t have a lot of money and my sisters would cry each time dad tried to leave. My parents didn’t divorce, but they definitely weren’t happy. I’m sure there are lots of couples who stay married for the kids, even though they aren’t happy.
As for having kids, it is very selfish. I realize that my kids are taking resources that could be used to feed and clothe someone else’s child. Adoption is much more of a selfless act than having one’s own children.
March 28, 2010 at 9:31 AM #533119AnonymousGuest[quote=jpinpb]I’ve avoided getting into this debate b/c for the most part people will not likely change their opinions about marriage. I’d just like to say that if 50% of marriages end in divorce, then 50% of people married must be happy. I don’t buy into the notion that people will not divorce b/c of the cost. It has not been a deterrent to the 50% that got divorced. The old saying – why is divorce so expensive? Because it’s worth it!
[/quote]I think you are confusing happiness with lack of other good options. My parents only stayed married because of the kids (me and my two sisters). They were a miserable lot, but stuck it out because they didn’t have a lot of money and my sisters would cry each time dad tried to leave. My parents didn’t divorce, but they definitely weren’t happy. I’m sure there are lots of couples who stay married for the kids, even though they aren’t happy.
As for having kids, it is very selfish. I realize that my kids are taking resources that could be used to feed and clothe someone else’s child. Adoption is much more of a selfless act than having one’s own children.
March 28, 2010 at 9:31 AM #533215AnonymousGuest[quote=jpinpb]I’ve avoided getting into this debate b/c for the most part people will not likely change their opinions about marriage. I’d just like to say that if 50% of marriages end in divorce, then 50% of people married must be happy. I don’t buy into the notion that people will not divorce b/c of the cost. It has not been a deterrent to the 50% that got divorced. The old saying – why is divorce so expensive? Because it’s worth it!
[/quote]I think you are confusing happiness with lack of other good options. My parents only stayed married because of the kids (me and my two sisters). They were a miserable lot, but stuck it out because they didn’t have a lot of money and my sisters would cry each time dad tried to leave. My parents didn’t divorce, but they definitely weren’t happy. I’m sure there are lots of couples who stay married for the kids, even though they aren’t happy.
As for having kids, it is very selfish. I realize that my kids are taking resources that could be used to feed and clothe someone else’s child. Adoption is much more of a selfless act than having one’s own children.
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