The Decline Of Suburbia?

[temeculaguy]

Harry, sdrealtor’s comment is actually not a sarcastic one, the urban renewal crowd would consider the entirety of the oc as suburbia. They aren’t just talking about working in one county and living in another, they are talking about living where cars are not needed at all, the type of urban living found in the downtown of european and east coast cities. Where you live, go to school, work and recreate within a mile or two radius. The west coast living is very “zoned” and the terrain isn’t always flat. Living spaces are not above businesses, shops and houses rarely co-exist, open space is not always shared and people want their own pool, yard, etc.

we’ve all visited cities like that, where someone can walk from their house to the store, to a bar and to a park. Most of choose not to live that way.

I’ve listened to these people, to put a regional spin on it, they believe that everyone in Poway, 4-s and carmel valley will choose to live in the shadows of skyscrapers, within a mile or two of downtown and I say they wont. They wont all commute an hour to the exhurbs, but they arent going to take over North Park, Hillcrest or areas within biking range of the city. Those areas near downtown aren’t all ghettos and they arent much cheaper or more expensive that suburbs 10 or 15 miles away, but the suburbs give families something they dont get near the city, something they want, something they will pay for and drive for. The same can be said for the coastal communities, those residents live there because they like it, they would rather hear the ocean than sirens, they get their energy from the water not from the concrete, some of us like seeing mountains out our window, most californians are a little weird that way and the rest of the world cant understand it. The “people for a perfect world” want every city to look like London, where they fail to understand is that we are a different people with different ideas, wants, desires and needs. It’s just that simple.

Americans have entirely invented or been a major contributor to every advancement in technology this century. Great minds from the world over tend to migrate here and collaborate. Airplanes, cars, telephones, telegraphs, electricity, computers, refrigerators, coffe pots, space travel, toilet paper, light bulbs, revolvers, machine guns, microwave ovens and my personal favorite, the oral contraceptive pill. This is what we do. If something is important enough to us, if we really want it, someone figures it out. Renewable energy will just be another chapter now that it has become a priority.

[HarryBosch]

Maybe I’m different. But I think OC has outgrown the definition of a suburb. OC is a self-sustaining economy, has its own technology areas, arts areas, many employers to choose from, its own higher education institutions, sports teams – Anaheim Angels have won a World Series, Mighty Ducks won the Stanley Cup, the LA (ugh) Rams even won their division a couple times while in the OC. With 2.8 million people I find it difficult to call OC a suburb. Heck they even have their own performing arts center and large outdoor amphitheater.

When the OC was an agricultural town and then began developing housing for people to drive to LA – yeah then the OC was a suburb. I just dont think that definition fits anymore.

“…we are a different people with different ideas, wants, desires and needs. It’s just that simple.”

No argument there.

[HarryBosch]

Maybe I’m different. But I think OC has outgrown the definition of a suburb. OC is a self-sustaining economy, has its own technology areas, arts areas, many employers to choose from, its own higher education institutions, sports teams – Anaheim Angels have won a World Series, Mighty Ducks won the Stanley Cup, the LA (ugh) Rams even won their division a couple times while in the OC. With 2.8 million people I find it difficult to call OC a suburb. Heck they even have their own performing arts center and large outdoor amphitheater.

When the OC was an agricultural town and then began developing housing for people to drive to LA – yeah then the OC was a suburb. I just dont think that definition fits anymore.

“…we are a different people with different ideas, wants, desires and needs. It’s just that simple.”

No argument there.

[HarryBosch]

Maybe I’m different. But I think OC has outgrown the definition of a suburb. OC is a self-sustaining economy, has its own technology areas, arts areas, many employers to choose from, its own higher education institutions, sports teams – Anaheim Angels have won a World Series, Mighty Ducks won the Stanley Cup, the LA (ugh) Rams even won their division a couple times while in the OC. With 2.8 million people I find it difficult to call OC a suburb. Heck they even have their own performing arts center and large outdoor amphitheater.

When the OC was an agricultural town and then began developing housing for people to drive to LA – yeah then the OC was a suburb. I just dont think that definition fits anymore.

“…we are a different people with different ideas, wants, desires and needs. It’s just that simple.”

No argument there.

[HarryBosch]

Maybe I’m different. But I think OC has outgrown the definition of a suburb. OC is a self-sustaining economy, has its own technology areas, arts areas, many employers to choose from, its own higher education institutions, sports teams – Anaheim Angels have won a World Series, Mighty Ducks won the Stanley Cup, the LA (ugh) Rams even won their division a couple times while in the OC. With 2.8 million people I find it difficult to call OC a suburb. Heck they even have their own performing arts center and large outdoor amphitheater.

When the OC was an agricultural town and then began developing housing for people to drive to LA – yeah then the OC was a suburb. I just dont think that definition fits anymore.

“…we are a different people with different ideas, wants, desires and needs. It’s just that simple.”

No argument there.

[HarryBosch]

Maybe I’m different. But I think OC has outgrown the definition of a suburb. OC is a self-sustaining economy, has its own technology areas, arts areas, many employers to choose from, its own higher education institutions, sports teams – Anaheim Angels have won a World Series, Mighty Ducks won the Stanley Cup, the LA (ugh) Rams even won their division a couple times while in the OC. With 2.8 million people I find it difficult to call OC a suburb. Heck they even have their own performing arts center and large outdoor amphitheater.

When the OC was an agricultural town and then began developing housing for people to drive to LA – yeah then the OC was a suburb. I just dont think that definition fits anymore.

“…we are a different people with different ideas, wants, desires and needs. It’s just that simple.”

No argument there.

[lajolla-pig]

As an urban dweller I feel very confident suburbia is not going to die. Far flung places overbuilt during speculative booms may suffer for a while but there are too many things that will drive people to the burbs.
1) lower cost of housing. As people move closer the prices fall in outer areas. Demand will eventually meet the cheaper supply.
2) population is increasing, even if that is undesireables.
3) commuting prices will plummet when the electric car changeover occurs.
4) telecommuting gets easier everyday
5) suburbs continue to grow and generate local jobs.
6) if poverty sets in the govt pumps welfare payments into the area…those homes will not stay vacant for long. There is always a mexican who would prefer to live in a nice Temecula subdivision with section 8 rather than having to work for a living in Mexicali.
7) cities continue to do stupid things and cater to criminals which send people into gated communities or out to the burbs.
8) businesses will locate in low cost areas that have the basic infrastructure in place.
9) Unless massive depopulation occurs (like Detroit burbs) the burbs will be just fine.

[lajolla-pig]

As an urban dweller I feel very confident suburbia is not going to die. Far flung places overbuilt during speculative booms may suffer for a while but there are too many things that will drive people to the burbs.
1) lower cost of housing. As people move closer the prices fall in outer areas. Demand will eventually meet the cheaper supply.
2) population is increasing, even if that is undesireables.
3) commuting prices will plummet when the electric car changeover occurs.
4) telecommuting gets easier everyday
5) suburbs continue to grow and generate local jobs.
6) if poverty sets in the govt pumps welfare payments into the area…those homes will not stay vacant for long. There is always a mexican who would prefer to live in a nice Temecula subdivision with section 8 rather than having to work for a living in Mexicali.
7) cities continue to do stupid things and cater to criminals which send people into gated communities or out to the burbs.
8) businesses will locate in low cost areas that have the basic infrastructure in place.
9) Unless massive depopulation occurs (like Detroit burbs) the burbs will be just fine.

[lajolla-pig]

As an urban dweller I feel very confident suburbia is not going to die. Far flung places overbuilt during speculative booms may suffer for a while but there are too many things that will drive people to the burbs.
1) lower cost of housing. As people move closer the prices fall in outer areas. Demand will eventually meet the cheaper supply.
2) population is increasing, even if that is undesireables.
3) commuting prices will plummet when the electric car changeover occurs.
4) telecommuting gets easier everyday
5) suburbs continue to grow and generate local jobs.
6) if poverty sets in the govt pumps welfare payments into the area…those homes will not stay vacant for long. There is always a mexican who would prefer to live in a nice Temecula subdivision with section 8 rather than having to work for a living in Mexicali.
7) cities continue to do stupid things and cater to criminals which send people into gated communities or out to the burbs.
8) businesses will locate in low cost areas that have the basic infrastructure in place.
9) Unless massive depopulation occurs (like Detroit burbs) the burbs will be just fine.

[lajolla-pig]

As an urban dweller I feel very confident suburbia is not going to die. Far flung places overbuilt during speculative booms may suffer for a while but there are too many things that will drive people to the burbs.
1) lower cost of housing. As people move closer the prices fall in outer areas. Demand will eventually meet the cheaper supply.
2) population is increasing, even if that is undesireables.
3) commuting prices will plummet when the electric car changeover occurs.
4) telecommuting gets easier everyday
5) suburbs continue to grow and generate local jobs.
6) if poverty sets in the govt pumps welfare payments into the area…those homes will not stay vacant for long. There is always a mexican who would prefer to live in a nice Temecula subdivision with section 8 rather than having to work for a living in Mexicali.
7) cities continue to do stupid things and cater to criminals which send people into gated communities or out to the burbs.
8) businesses will locate in low cost areas that have the basic infrastructure in place.
9) Unless massive depopulation occurs (like Detroit burbs) the burbs will be just fine.

[lajolla-pig]

As an urban dweller I feel very confident suburbia is not going to die. Far flung places overbuilt during speculative booms may suffer for a while but there are too many things that will drive people to the burbs.
1) lower cost of housing. As people move closer the prices fall in outer areas. Demand will eventually meet the cheaper supply.
2) population is increasing, even if that is undesireables.
3) commuting prices will plummet when the electric car changeover occurs.
4) telecommuting gets easier everyday
5) suburbs continue to grow and generate local jobs.
6) if poverty sets in the govt pumps welfare payments into the area…those homes will not stay vacant for long. There is always a mexican who would prefer to live in a nice Temecula subdivision with section 8 rather than having to work for a living in Mexicali.
7) cities continue to do stupid things and cater to criminals which send people into gated communities or out to the burbs.
8) businesses will locate in low cost areas that have the basic infrastructure in place.
9) Unless massive depopulation occurs (like Detroit burbs) the burbs will be just fine.

[temeculaguy]

harry, the oc is all grown up, no arguments there. But it is not what the urban theorists consider an urban environment. Almost the entire o.c. requires a car, things are spread out and zoned and few families can live entirely as pedestrians. It’s large buildings are surrounded by parking lots and it os difficult to walk from the skyscrapers to the houses. SFR’s are evil in their eyes and we are enamored by them.

lajolla, even you hood isn’t what they would consider urban. These guys are pointing to european and east coast cities as the model and we will never fit into it.

[temeculaguy]

harry, the oc is all grown up, no arguments there. But it is not what the urban theorists consider an urban environment. Almost the entire o.c. requires a car, things are spread out and zoned and few families can live entirely as pedestrians. It’s large buildings are surrounded by parking lots and it os difficult to walk from the skyscrapers to the houses. SFR’s are evil in their eyes and we are enamored by them.

lajolla, even you hood isn’t what they would consider urban. These guys are pointing to european and east coast cities as the model and we will never fit into it.

[temeculaguy]

harry, the oc is all grown up, no arguments there. But it is not what the urban theorists consider an urban environment. Almost the entire o.c. requires a car, things are spread out and zoned and few families can live entirely as pedestrians. It’s large buildings are surrounded by parking lots and it os difficult to walk from the skyscrapers to the houses. SFR’s are evil in their eyes and we are enamored by them.

lajolla, even you hood isn’t what they would consider urban. These guys are pointing to european and east coast cities as the model and we will never fit into it.

[temeculaguy]

harry, the oc is all grown up, no arguments there. But it is not what the urban theorists consider an urban environment. Almost the entire o.c. requires a car, things are spread out and zoned and few families can live entirely as pedestrians. It’s large buildings are surrounded by parking lots and it os difficult to walk from the skyscrapers to the houses. SFR’s are evil in their eyes and we are enamored by them.

lajolla, even you hood isn’t what they would consider urban. These guys are pointing to european and east coast cities as the model and we will never fit into it.

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