Tesla IPO

[jpinpb]

Thanks, flu, for your investigative info. I feel better now. And I did hear the guy is going through a divorce and is broke, but I also understood he’s only making something like 200k a month, or some such thing. So I guess “broke” is relative. Who would’ve thought.

I’d have to agree w/you. Gonna be difficult for Tesla to take off. Toyota has a lot on its plate right now. They may take it under.

[blahblahblah]

It seems that the idea of a pure electric car is a step backwards, not forwards. I remember back in the late 90’s/early 2000’s a few companies tried to build electric cars (Saturn and Honda I believe) which eventually failed and gave way to hybrids. What exactly does Tesla think they can do differently to overcome the negative aspects of electric cars?

I’m not the biggest fan of 100% electric cars either, but the failure of the 90s electric car offerings from GM/Toyota and others had more to do with government regulations and lobbying by the US Big 3 automakers than any technical issues or deficiencies. There is an excellent film called “Who Killed The Electric Car” that goes over the history. There was a lot more money to be made in SUVs (highest profit margin of any vehicle) than in electric cars, so that’s what they made and sold to us.

[blahblahblah]

It seems that the idea of a pure electric car is a step backwards, not forwards. I remember back in the late 90’s/early 2000’s a few companies tried to build electric cars (Saturn and Honda I believe) which eventually failed and gave way to hybrids. What exactly does Tesla think they can do differently to overcome the negative aspects of electric cars?

I’m not the biggest fan of 100% electric cars either, but the failure of the 90s electric car offerings from GM/Toyota and others had more to do with government regulations and lobbying by the US Big 3 automakers than any technical issues or deficiencies. There is an excellent film called “Who Killed The Electric Car” that goes over the history. There was a lot more money to be made in SUVs (highest profit margin of any vehicle) than in electric cars, so that’s what they made and sold to us.

[blahblahblah]

It seems that the idea of a pure electric car is a step backwards, not forwards. I remember back in the late 90’s/early 2000’s a few companies tried to build electric cars (Saturn and Honda I believe) which eventually failed and gave way to hybrids. What exactly does Tesla think they can do differently to overcome the negative aspects of electric cars?

I’m not the biggest fan of 100% electric cars either, but the failure of the 90s electric car offerings from GM/Toyota and others had more to do with government regulations and lobbying by the US Big 3 automakers than any technical issues or deficiencies. There is an excellent film called “Who Killed The Electric Car” that goes over the history. There was a lot more money to be made in SUVs (highest profit margin of any vehicle) than in electric cars, so that’s what they made and sold to us.

[blahblahblah]

It seems that the idea of a pure electric car is a step backwards, not forwards. I remember back in the late 90’s/early 2000’s a few companies tried to build electric cars (Saturn and Honda I believe) which eventually failed and gave way to hybrids. What exactly does Tesla think they can do differently to overcome the negative aspects of electric cars?

I’m not the biggest fan of 100% electric cars either, but the failure of the 90s electric car offerings from GM/Toyota and others had more to do with government regulations and lobbying by the US Big 3 automakers than any technical issues or deficiencies. There is an excellent film called “Who Killed The Electric Car” that goes over the history. There was a lot more money to be made in SUVs (highest profit margin of any vehicle) than in electric cars, so that’s what they made and sold to us.

[blahblahblah]

It seems that the idea of a pure electric car is a step backwards, not forwards. I remember back in the late 90’s/early 2000’s a few companies tried to build electric cars (Saturn and Honda I believe) which eventually failed and gave way to hybrids. What exactly does Tesla think they can do differently to overcome the negative aspects of electric cars?

I’m not the biggest fan of 100% electric cars either, but the failure of the 90s electric car offerings from GM/Toyota and others had more to do with government regulations and lobbying by the US Big 3 automakers than any technical issues or deficiencies. There is an excellent film called “Who Killed The Electric Car” that goes over the history. There was a lot more money to be made in SUVs (highest profit margin of any vehicle) than in electric cars, so that’s what they made and sold to us.

[outtamojo]

Actually, it was under 20 in the open market for a few hours http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TSLA&t=5d&l=on&z=m&q=c&c=
It’s a plaything for the naive longs for now and the shorts stupid enough to get in front of a fad stock when enthusiasm is at its highest.

[outtamojo]

Actually, it was under 20 in the open market for a few hours http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TSLA&t=5d&l=on&z=m&q=c&c=
It’s a plaything for the naive longs for now and the shorts stupid enough to get in front of a fad stock when enthusiasm is at its highest.

[outtamojo]

Actually, it was under 20 in the open market for a few hours http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TSLA&t=5d&l=on&z=m&q=c&c=
It’s a plaything for the naive longs for now and the shorts stupid enough to get in front of a fad stock when enthusiasm is at its highest.

[outtamojo]

Actually, it was under 20 in the open market for a few hours http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TSLA&t=5d&l=on&z=m&q=c&c=
It’s a plaything for the naive longs for now and the shorts stupid enough to get in front of a fad stock when enthusiasm is at its highest.

[outtamojo]

Actually, it was under 20 in the open market for a few hours http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TSLA&t=5d&l=on&z=m&q=c&c=
It’s a plaything for the naive longs for now and the shorts stupid enough to get in front of a fad stock when enthusiasm is at its highest.

[barnaby33]

FLU, I was at the dealership last weekend. They have cars for sale now, not on back order. You write check they give you car.

As to the idea of a pure electric car being backwards WTF SmellsFeeshy? The owners of the EV1 begged GM to let them keep them. It was a purely business decision by GM to get out of the market. So all the EV1’s were destroyed after the lease expired. That is not a technology issue.
Josh

[barnaby33]

FLU, I was at the dealership last weekend. They have cars for sale now, not on back order. You write check they give you car.

As to the idea of a pure electric car being backwards WTF SmellsFeeshy? The owners of the EV1 begged GM to let them keep them. It was a purely business decision by GM to get out of the market. So all the EV1’s were destroyed after the lease expired. That is not a technology issue.
Josh

[barnaby33]

FLU, I was at the dealership last weekend. They have cars for sale now, not on back order. You write check they give you car.

As to the idea of a pure electric car being backwards WTF SmellsFeeshy? The owners of the EV1 begged GM to let them keep them. It was a purely business decision by GM to get out of the market. So all the EV1’s were destroyed after the lease expired. That is not a technology issue.
Josh

[barnaby33]

FLU, I was at the dealership last weekend. They have cars for sale now, not on back order. You write check they give you car.

As to the idea of a pure electric car being backwards WTF SmellsFeeshy? The owners of the EV1 begged GM to let them keep them. It was a purely business decision by GM to get out of the market. So all the EV1’s were destroyed after the lease expired. That is not a technology issue.
Josh

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