Terrorism

[Arraya]

Ok, I went over this ALL before.

We already went round and round where I countered all his points.

All he has are interpretations, which by definition, does not make it universal.

If you want to argue A LOT, sure it’s a relative term though.

You can make the same arguments about other forms of religion.

Which I did according to the criteria set forth by the preacher. He ignored my data that showed other religions preaching violence according to scripture. Which is being done today. They are also interpretations that I do not place on a religion as a whole.

I am not going to rehash it. But there are plenty of religious scholars in christianity and judaism that preach violence. More so in Judaism when done in a population ratio basis.

You can go back to the first few pages if you wish and see my examples.

He is decreeing that violence in Islam has to be adhered to via scripture. And his interpretations are real and universal and others are not. That is what preachers do, plain and simple. He is preaching his interpretations are real and others are not..

It’s a circular argument based on HIS and OTHERS interpretations. UR did a good job debunking his Islam argument piece by piece.

I debunked his claim that it did not go on in other religions according to his criteria

His only argument was NO IT IS UNIVERSAL BECAUSE I READ IT. He is preaching. I’m done with the discussion because has reached absurdity. Hence my poking fun at his preaching. Which he is doing, by definition.

He is a preaching the true Islam according to surveyor, which he took from others. His true islam according to scripture. But not other scripture.

He is by definition, insane. Claiming one true truth because he interpreted a certain way.

[briansd1]

I agree, Arraya, Surveyor might as well be one of those preaching/warring Muslims he claims to know so much about.

Surveyor is not much different from a Muslim declaring “I know this is how Christians think and behave because I read it in Christian texts. Christians must behave this way because that Pastor in Kansas said so.”

My educated guess is that he belongs to a Chinese or Korean evangelical church.

[briansd1]

I agree, Arraya, Surveyor might as well be one of those preaching/warring Muslims he claims to know so much about.

Surveyor is not much different from a Muslim declaring “I know this is how Christians think and behave because I read it in Christian texts. Christians must behave this way because that Pastor in Kansas said so.”

My educated guess is that he belongs to a Chinese or Korean evangelical church.

[briansd1]

I agree, Arraya, Surveyor might as well be one of those preaching/warring Muslims he claims to know so much about.

Surveyor is not much different from a Muslim declaring “I know this is how Christians think and behave because I read it in Christian texts. Christians must behave this way because that Pastor in Kansas said so.”

My educated guess is that he belongs to a Chinese or Korean evangelical church.

[briansd1]

I agree, Arraya, Surveyor might as well be one of those preaching/warring Muslims he claims to know so much about.

Surveyor is not much different from a Muslim declaring “I know this is how Christians think and behave because I read it in Christian texts. Christians must behave this way because that Pastor in Kansas said so.”

My educated guess is that he belongs to a Chinese or Korean evangelical church.

[briansd1]

I agree, Arraya, Surveyor might as well be one of those preaching/warring Muslims he claims to know so much about.

Surveyor is not much different from a Muslim declaring “I know this is how Christians think and behave because I read it in Christian texts. Christians must behave this way because that Pastor in Kansas said so.”

My educated guess is that he belongs to a Chinese or Korean evangelical church.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]I agree, Arraya, Surveyor might as well be one of those preaching/warring Muslims he claims to know so much about.

Surveyor is not much different from a Muslim declaring “I know this is how Christians think and behave because I read it in Christian texts. Christians must behave this way because that Pastor in Kansas said so.”

My educated guess is that he belongs to a Chinese or Korean evangelical church.[/quote]

Brian: Are you for real? Seriously. That sign off is priceless. Your “educated” guess is that Surveyor belongs to a Chinese or Korean evangelical church? Wow.

For someone espousing, what was it, “liberal progressive values”, you spew some pretty vile vitriol, especially towards those of the Christian faith.

With all due deference to Dan and Arraya, both of whom I respect as rhetoricians and able to hold their own in a dust up like this one, there is plenty of evidence to support that Islam is a violent faith and has been one from its birth.

This is not to say that Judaism and Christianity have not been violent and are not violent, but the exhortations to violence emanating from Islam, as well as the misogyny, chauvinism, xenophobia, and backwardness inherent to this faith are on full display not only in the Arab world, but in those places where Muslims have immigrated, such as Europe and the US.

What is beyond dispute are the facts that Muslims, by and large, ascribe to a faith that is rigid in its demands for submission (look up the impact of Sharia law in the UK, for instance), spreads its tenets through force, regardless of the mores of the host country (see the murder of prominent Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh) and produces horrific outcomes when its second generation, especially females, try to assimilate (Arab father runs over “Westernized” daughter in Glendale, AZ).

I would imagine someone of your ilk, who is solidly for “liberal progressive values” (and you actually mean “liberal DEMOCRATIC ideals”), would be declaiming in full voice about a religion that seeks to impose its will on others and remove their rights of free speech, due process of law, freedom to explore their sexuality, marry whom they choose regardless of sex, religion or ethnicity, etc, etc, etc.

For, Brian, if you’re going to castigate Christianity so savagely, shouldn’t you reserve as much ire for Islam? After all, you are for the rights of gays to marry, correct? You are for women’s rights, correct? You are for freedom of speech, that most basic and important right, correct? Fair trial and due process under law and the rule of law?

Or, are you just another bigoted hypocrite, too?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]I agree, Arraya, Surveyor might as well be one of those preaching/warring Muslims he claims to know so much about.

Surveyor is not much different from a Muslim declaring “I know this is how Christians think and behave because I read it in Christian texts. Christians must behave this way because that Pastor in Kansas said so.”

My educated guess is that he belongs to a Chinese or Korean evangelical church.[/quote]

Brian: Are you for real? Seriously. That sign off is priceless. Your “educated” guess is that Surveyor belongs to a Chinese or Korean evangelical church? Wow.

For someone espousing, what was it, “liberal progressive values”, you spew some pretty vile vitriol, especially towards those of the Christian faith.

With all due deference to Dan and Arraya, both of whom I respect as rhetoricians and able to hold their own in a dust up like this one, there is plenty of evidence to support that Islam is a violent faith and has been one from its birth.

This is not to say that Judaism and Christianity have not been violent and are not violent, but the exhortations to violence emanating from Islam, as well as the misogyny, chauvinism, xenophobia, and backwardness inherent to this faith are on full display not only in the Arab world, but in those places where Muslims have immigrated, such as Europe and the US.

What is beyond dispute are the facts that Muslims, by and large, ascribe to a faith that is rigid in its demands for submission (look up the impact of Sharia law in the UK, for instance), spreads its tenets through force, regardless of the mores of the host country (see the murder of prominent Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh) and produces horrific outcomes when its second generation, especially females, try to assimilate (Arab father runs over “Westernized” daughter in Glendale, AZ).

I would imagine someone of your ilk, who is solidly for “liberal progressive values” (and you actually mean “liberal DEMOCRATIC ideals”), would be declaiming in full voice about a religion that seeks to impose its will on others and remove their rights of free speech, due process of law, freedom to explore their sexuality, marry whom they choose regardless of sex, religion or ethnicity, etc, etc, etc.

For, Brian, if you’re going to castigate Christianity so savagely, shouldn’t you reserve as much ire for Islam? After all, you are for the rights of gays to marry, correct? You are for women’s rights, correct? You are for freedom of speech, that most basic and important right, correct? Fair trial and due process under law and the rule of law?

Or, are you just another bigoted hypocrite, too?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]I agree, Arraya, Surveyor might as well be one of those preaching/warring Muslims he claims to know so much about.

Surveyor is not much different from a Muslim declaring “I know this is how Christians think and behave because I read it in Christian texts. Christians must behave this way because that Pastor in Kansas said so.”

My educated guess is that he belongs to a Chinese or Korean evangelical church.[/quote]

Brian: Are you for real? Seriously. That sign off is priceless. Your “educated” guess is that Surveyor belongs to a Chinese or Korean evangelical church? Wow.

For someone espousing, what was it, “liberal progressive values”, you spew some pretty vile vitriol, especially towards those of the Christian faith.

With all due deference to Dan and Arraya, both of whom I respect as rhetoricians and able to hold their own in a dust up like this one, there is plenty of evidence to support that Islam is a violent faith and has been one from its birth.

This is not to say that Judaism and Christianity have not been violent and are not violent, but the exhortations to violence emanating from Islam, as well as the misogyny, chauvinism, xenophobia, and backwardness inherent to this faith are on full display not only in the Arab world, but in those places where Muslims have immigrated, such as Europe and the US.

What is beyond dispute are the facts that Muslims, by and large, ascribe to a faith that is rigid in its demands for submission (look up the impact of Sharia law in the UK, for instance), spreads its tenets through force, regardless of the mores of the host country (see the murder of prominent Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh) and produces horrific outcomes when its second generation, especially females, try to assimilate (Arab father runs over “Westernized” daughter in Glendale, AZ).

I would imagine someone of your ilk, who is solidly for “liberal progressive values” (and you actually mean “liberal DEMOCRATIC ideals”), would be declaiming in full voice about a religion that seeks to impose its will on others and remove their rights of free speech, due process of law, freedom to explore their sexuality, marry whom they choose regardless of sex, religion or ethnicity, etc, etc, etc.

For, Brian, if you’re going to castigate Christianity so savagely, shouldn’t you reserve as much ire for Islam? After all, you are for the rights of gays to marry, correct? You are for women’s rights, correct? You are for freedom of speech, that most basic and important right, correct? Fair trial and due process under law and the rule of law?

Or, are you just another bigoted hypocrite, too?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]I agree, Arraya, Surveyor might as well be one of those preaching/warring Muslims he claims to know so much about.

Surveyor is not much different from a Muslim declaring “I know this is how Christians think and behave because I read it in Christian texts. Christians must behave this way because that Pastor in Kansas said so.”

My educated guess is that he belongs to a Chinese or Korean evangelical church.[/quote]

Brian: Are you for real? Seriously. That sign off is priceless. Your “educated” guess is that Surveyor belongs to a Chinese or Korean evangelical church? Wow.

For someone espousing, what was it, “liberal progressive values”, you spew some pretty vile vitriol, especially towards those of the Christian faith.

With all due deference to Dan and Arraya, both of whom I respect as rhetoricians and able to hold their own in a dust up like this one, there is plenty of evidence to support that Islam is a violent faith and has been one from its birth.

This is not to say that Judaism and Christianity have not been violent and are not violent, but the exhortations to violence emanating from Islam, as well as the misogyny, chauvinism, xenophobia, and backwardness inherent to this faith are on full display not only in the Arab world, but in those places where Muslims have immigrated, such as Europe and the US.

What is beyond dispute are the facts that Muslims, by and large, ascribe to a faith that is rigid in its demands for submission (look up the impact of Sharia law in the UK, for instance), spreads its tenets through force, regardless of the mores of the host country (see the murder of prominent Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh) and produces horrific outcomes when its second generation, especially females, try to assimilate (Arab father runs over “Westernized” daughter in Glendale, AZ).

I would imagine someone of your ilk, who is solidly for “liberal progressive values” (and you actually mean “liberal DEMOCRATIC ideals”), would be declaiming in full voice about a religion that seeks to impose its will on others and remove their rights of free speech, due process of law, freedom to explore their sexuality, marry whom they choose regardless of sex, religion or ethnicity, etc, etc, etc.

For, Brian, if you’re going to castigate Christianity so savagely, shouldn’t you reserve as much ire for Islam? After all, you are for the rights of gays to marry, correct? You are for women’s rights, correct? You are for freedom of speech, that most basic and important right, correct? Fair trial and due process under law and the rule of law?

Or, are you just another bigoted hypocrite, too?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]I agree, Arraya, Surveyor might as well be one of those preaching/warring Muslims he claims to know so much about.

Surveyor is not much different from a Muslim declaring “I know this is how Christians think and behave because I read it in Christian texts. Christians must behave this way because that Pastor in Kansas said so.”

My educated guess is that he belongs to a Chinese or Korean evangelical church.[/quote]

Brian: Are you for real? Seriously. That sign off is priceless. Your “educated” guess is that Surveyor belongs to a Chinese or Korean evangelical church? Wow.

For someone espousing, what was it, “liberal progressive values”, you spew some pretty vile vitriol, especially towards those of the Christian faith.

With all due deference to Dan and Arraya, both of whom I respect as rhetoricians and able to hold their own in a dust up like this one, there is plenty of evidence to support that Islam is a violent faith and has been one from its birth.

This is not to say that Judaism and Christianity have not been violent and are not violent, but the exhortations to violence emanating from Islam, as well as the misogyny, chauvinism, xenophobia, and backwardness inherent to this faith are on full display not only in the Arab world, but in those places where Muslims have immigrated, such as Europe and the US.

What is beyond dispute are the facts that Muslims, by and large, ascribe to a faith that is rigid in its demands for submission (look up the impact of Sharia law in the UK, for instance), spreads its tenets through force, regardless of the mores of the host country (see the murder of prominent Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh) and produces horrific outcomes when its second generation, especially females, try to assimilate (Arab father runs over “Westernized” daughter in Glendale, AZ).

I would imagine someone of your ilk, who is solidly for “liberal progressive values” (and you actually mean “liberal DEMOCRATIC ideals”), would be declaiming in full voice about a religion that seeks to impose its will on others and remove their rights of free speech, due process of law, freedom to explore their sexuality, marry whom they choose regardless of sex, religion or ethnicity, etc, etc, etc.

For, Brian, if you’re going to castigate Christianity so savagely, shouldn’t you reserve as much ire for Islam? After all, you are for the rights of gays to marry, correct? You are for women’s rights, correct? You are for freedom of speech, that most basic and important right, correct? Fair trial and due process under law and the rule of law?

Or, are you just another bigoted hypocrite, too?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Or, are you just another bigoted hypocrite, too?[/quote]

He’s baaaack!

Honestly, I don’t think you and I have much of a disagreement here dude.

When looking at the socio-political contexts of the three big abrahmic faiths, one is really struck at the differences of situations, and therefore the difference in their respective missions (as experienced–not necessarily as proscribed).

I mean Christianity started as a resistance movement against a very strong empire.

Islam started as a unifying faith during the dark ages in the absence of any unified political structure.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Or, are you just another bigoted hypocrite, too?[/quote]

He’s baaaack!

Honestly, I don’t think you and I have much of a disagreement here dude.

When looking at the socio-political contexts of the three big abrahmic faiths, one is really struck at the differences of situations, and therefore the difference in their respective missions (as experienced–not necessarily as proscribed).

I mean Christianity started as a resistance movement against a very strong empire.

Islam started as a unifying faith during the dark ages in the absence of any unified political structure.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Or, are you just another bigoted hypocrite, too?[/quote]

He’s baaaack!

Honestly, I don’t think you and I have much of a disagreement here dude.

When looking at the socio-political contexts of the three big abrahmic faiths, one is really struck at the differences of situations, and therefore the difference in their respective missions (as experienced–not necessarily as proscribed).

I mean Christianity started as a resistance movement against a very strong empire.

Islam started as a unifying faith during the dark ages in the absence of any unified political structure.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]

Or, are you just another bigoted hypocrite, too?[/quote]

He’s baaaack!

Honestly, I don’t think you and I have much of a disagreement here dude.

When looking at the socio-political contexts of the three big abrahmic faiths, one is really struck at the differences of situations, and therefore the difference in their respective missions (as experienced–not necessarily as proscribed).

I mean Christianity started as a resistance movement against a very strong empire.

Islam started as a unifying faith during the dark ages in the absence of any unified political structure.

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