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June 4, 2020 at 8:30 PM #22914June 4, 2020 at 9:10 PM #817939outtamojoParticipant
I think they oughtta go light on the noobs- sounds like they did try to do the right thing. The two veteran cops should bear the brunt of punishment.
June 4, 2020 at 10:27 PM #817942zkParticipant[quote=outtamojo]I think they oughtta go light on the noobs- sounds like they did try to do the right thing. The two veteran cops should bear the brunt of punishment.[/quote]
Agree. If your supervisor is showing you that this is how you do it, it’s pretty tough to tell him otherwise. Or even to know otherwise.
“Oh. The guy said he can’t breathe and now he’s not moving anymore. But Derek is still grinding his knee into his neck with all his weight on top of it. I guess that’s how we do it. They must do this all the time and apparently nobody dies or they wouldn’t be doing it. I guess maybe this is how we show them who’s boss or something. Seems like overkill, though. I wonder if I can ask about this later without anybody thinking I’m a fool or a pussy or, god forbid, a liberal.”
I don’t know if that sounds like sarcasm, but it’s not. Really an impossible situation for a new guy to be in.
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That is some serious winning the lottery backwards bad luck
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Funny way to put it. Not in the mood to laugh about it, though. So messed up for those guys. That shit is way worse than winning the lottery is good.
June 5, 2020 at 4:43 AM #817946HobieParticipantFrom a strategic point of view I would reinstate the newbys. After what they saw, experienced, lived through, they would be the best teacher to other cops to follow protocols to the letter. Then all ships would rise.
June 5, 2020 at 7:39 AM #817951scaredyclassicParticipant[quote=Hobie]From a strategic point of view I would reinstate the newbys. After what they saw, experienced, lived through, they would be the best teacher to other cops to follow protocols to the letter. Then all ships would rise.[/quote]
Insightful point.
Prolly not politically tenable. But
Maybe they could do that for comnunity service hours.
If they ever get out of prison
June 5, 2020 at 7:42 AM #817956scaredyclassicParticipantThis problem may be caused in part by police militarization.
Hierarchy. Obeying commands. Superior officers. Etc.
What if instead, all cops were equal.
Prob. Wouldnt have mattered here, as these guys were likely on a probationary period, where theyd want mgt to like them
June 5, 2020 at 8:47 AM #817966zkParticipant[quote=Hobie]From a strategic point of view I would reinstate the newbys. After what they saw, experienced, lived through, they would be the best teacher to other cops to follow protocols to the letter. Then all ships would rise.[/quote]
Good point. There’s nothing like the scare of your life to have a permanent effect on your behavior.
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