Stock market today

[paramount]

Are there deflationary signals right now? In the bond market maybe?

[CA renter]

[quote=The-Shoveler]

“If we could roll everything back to say ~1995 levels — all wealth, income, purchasing power, pension benefits (and contributions), etc. — we would be much better off.”

I really don’t think that is likely to happen.[/quote]

Definitely not likely to happen. Joe Sixpack would gain too much at the expense of the financial elite; therefore, it won’t happen. Doesn’t mean we can’t wish for it. 🙂

[CA renter]

[quote=paramount]Are there deflationary signals right now? In the bond market maybe?[/quote]

There have been deflationary signals for many years. Why do you think the Fed has been intervening so much in our economy? ZIRP is almost always a sign of deflation, IMO.

[livinincali]

[quote=CA renter][quote=paramount]Are there deflationary signals right now? In the bond market maybe?[/quote]

There have been deflationary signals for many years. Why do you think the Fed has been intervening so much in our economy? ZIRP is almost always a sign of deflation, IMO.[/quote]

Yup we’re doing the same thing as Japan’s been doing for the past 20 years. Fighting deflation at all costs. In doing so, we are slowing down the growth of our economy as too many productive assets have to be allocated to debt repayment. If you let the too big to fail, actually fail you solve many of the problems in the economy including income inequality. Now people sitting on the other side of the balance sheet looking to collect rent on the productive segment of the population hate this idea, but it would get our economy growing again as we’d have more money to invest in productive things.

[CA renter]

[quote=livinincali][quote=CA renter][quote=paramount]Are there deflationary signals right now? In the bond market maybe?[/quote]

There have been deflationary signals for many years. Why do you think the Fed has been intervening so much in our economy? ZIRP is almost always a sign of deflation, IMO.[/quote]

Yup we’re doing the same thing as Japan’s been doing for the past 20 years. Fighting deflation at all costs. In doing so, we are slowing down the growth of our economy as too many productive assets have to be allocated to debt repayment. If you let the too big to fail, actually fail you solve many of the problems in the economy including income inequality. Now people sitting on the other side of the balance sheet looking to collect rent on the productive segment of the population hate this idea, but it would get our economy growing again as we’d have more money to invest in productive things.[/quote]

Absolutely agree. Not only are we allocating too much money to the repayment of debt, but the Fed’s policies are pushing more and more money into speculative activities and they are doing it with more and more leverage, too. IMHO, the Fed’s (and govt’s) policies of the past few years will end up doubling or tripling the damage, over the long run, that we would have experienced if things had been allowed to fail in 2007-2012. We’d be on our way to a healthier, more sustainable economy today.

[scaredyclassic]

nothing about usor our ecomnomy is healthy or sustainable, in the long run,,,

[paramount]

[quote=CA renter][quote=The-Shoveler]

“If we could roll everything back to say ~1995 levels — all wealth, income, purchasing power, pension benefits (and contributions), etc. — we would be much better off.”

I really don’t think that is likely to happen.[/quote]

Definitely not likely to happen. Joe Sixpack would gain too much at the expense of the financial elite; therefore, it won’t happen. Doesn’t mean we can’t wish for it. :)[/quote]

Hell I’d settle for 2005, I would:

*Have my pension back
*Get my sick time back
*Double my holidays
*Nearly double vacation time
*Much better health benefits

and on and on…

[CA renter]

[quote=paramount][quote=CA renter][quote=The-Shoveler]

“If we could roll everything back to say ~1995 levels — all wealth, income, purchasing power, pension benefits (and contributions), etc. — we would be much better off.”

I really don’t think that is likely to happen.[/quote]

Definitely not likely to happen. Joe Sixpack would gain too much at the expense of the financial elite; therefore, it won’t happen. Doesn’t mean we can’t wish for it. :)[/quote]

Hell I’d settle for 2005, I would:

*Have my pension back
*Get my sick time back
*Double my holidays
*Nearly double vacation time
*Much better health benefits

and on and on…[/quote]

As you’ve been told before, it sounds like you need to organize. 😉

[CA renter]

[quote=scaredyclassic]nothing about usor our ecomnomy is healthy or sustainable, in the long run,,,[/quote]

It could be far, far more healthy and sustainable. The system, as it stands, is totally corrupted, IMO.

[paramount]

[quote=CA renter]

As you’ve been told before, it sounds like you need to organize. ;)[/quote]

Agreed, but any attempt to organize will be crushed by the authoritarian global elite (85 families as I understand…). Look what happened to the Occupier’s.

It sickens me at times that a bankster on wall street can make more in one year than most will make in their entire lives.

[CA renter]

[quote=paramount][quote=CA renter]

As you’ve been told before, it sounds like you need to organize. ;)[/quote]

Agreed, but any attempt to organize will be crushed by the authoritarian global elite (85 families as I understand…). Look what happened to the Occupier’s.

It sickens me at times that a bankster on wall street can make more in one year than most will make in their entire lives.[/quote]

We are in agreement on this.

So, why are you fighting on their behalf?

[paramount]

[quote=CA renter]

We are in agreement on this.

So, why are you fighting on their behalf?[/quote]

This short video just landed in my inbox, any thoughts?

(talks about the feds…)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Em9vxmOeCg

[CA renter]

[quote=paramount][quote=CA renter]

We are in agreement on this.

So, why are you fighting on their behalf?[/quote]

This short video just landed in my inbox, any thoughts?

(talks about the feds…)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Em9vxmOeCg%5B/quote%5D

IIRC, you’ve linked that before. The messenger looks like a joke, so even if he has something legitimate to say, nobody will take him seriously. That’s a shame.

Of course, I strongly believe those in power present us with false dichotomies and use emotionally charged issues to divide us and distract us from the most important actions and events going on around us. To be sure, the people who control this country (and the world) are not our politicians, but the people who control our politicians and the entire political process…and everything that surrounds and enables it. We are made to believe that we have choices, but we do not; almost all of the political puppets are controlled by the same puppeteers.

No matter the ethnic or religious makeup of these people, they need to be challenged and stopped. There is no doubt about that, IMO. They know that people are gradually waking up which is why you are seeing the ramped-up spying against “domestic terrorists” and the militarization of the police (and notice how, when they talk about pensions or other reforms, the police are almost always specifically excluded…this is not a coincidence).

[paramount]

[quote=CA renter]

IIRC, you’ve linked that before.[/quote]

I’ve linked to that person, but that was a new video.

I think he has a good message if he – as you elude to – could drop the ethnic/religious stuff. His message would get even more traction.

Milton L. Kapner✡ (born 5 September 1950), also known as Brother Nathanael, is a writer, political and religious activist from the United States. Born to a Jewish family, Kapner was drawn to the figure of Jesus Christ and after a time around the Jews for Jesus movement, converted to Orthodox Christianity in 1988.

Kapner is best known for his activism on the internet. Part of the Brother Nathaniel Foundation, he has become prominent in the social media through his short and effective videos on YouTube which cover the same topics and have received millions of views. This has seen Kapner become a prominent figures in the alternative media, far beyond traditionalist Orthodox circles. He has featured on the websites of Rense and The Ugly Truth.

[CA renter]

Agreed.

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